Half Giant with Huge weapons. [Archive] - Wizards Community

Half Giant with Huge weapons. [Archive] - Wizards Community

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The_Undertaker
11-09-06, 12:00 PM Alright I just made a Half giant psychic warrior and he has Monkey grip and Oversized two weapon fighting. He wields two huge long swords. Now my problem comes in with how can I carry these since he is technically a medium character. My plan was to just carry these on my back.
Einvaldurinn_mikli
11-09-06, 12:02 PM POWERFUL BUILD AND MONKEY GRIP DON'T STACK.
There, i've said it. No need for anyone else to comment.

Edit: sorry, I didn't realise you were new. These threads pop up once a week. Sorry if you took offense. It just gets kinda annoying.
Zherog
11-09-06, 12:07 PM Ein is correct. Both Powerful Build and Monkey Grip allow you to wield a weapon one size category larger than you are - or, in other words, both allow you to wield a large weapon. Of course, Monkey Grip is worse since it inflicts a -2 penalty on you.

Ditch Monkey Grip and grab Power Attack or another combat feat.
The_Undertaker
11-09-06, 12:07 PM Why wouldnt they stack though?
inthesto
11-09-06, 12:13 PM For the same reason modifiers of the same type don't stack:

Because WotC said so.
Einvaldurinn_mikli
11-09-06, 12:15 PM Can I combine Monkey Grip and Powerful Build?
Do they stack?

No.

Powerful build says that it treats the character as being one size category larger in many ways.

And then it lists them:

- he is treated as one size larger, if doing so is advantageous to him, when he is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check.

- he is considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size can affect him.

Now, he is not treated as one size larger for the purpose of wielding weapons. Rather, he can wield weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.

Monkey Grip(MG) would give him the same advantage, but with a -2 penalty.

Monkey Grip(MG) allows you to use a weapon of larger size than yours without changing the effort you need to wield it, but with a -2 penalty to attack rolls.

The Half-Giant and the Goliath, being Medium creatures, would be allowed to use weapons designed for Large creatures with a -2 penalty, penalty that they can avoid simply using their Powerful Build ability.
See?
Zherog
11-09-06, 12:41 PM Why wouldnt they stack though?

Again, Ein is correct. They don't stack because they both allow the character to wield weapons one size category larger than they are. They both have the same benefit (though Monkey Grip has the added cost of a -2 to your attack rolls).

If one or the other said, "With this feat/ability you can wield weapons one size larger than normal," then they might stack. But that's not what either ability says.
unusualsuspect
11-09-06, 12:56 PM It should also be noted, since it has not already, that Monkeygrip does NOT allow you to wield an oversized weapon in your off-hand, except in the case where the weapon is being wielded in both hands (e.g. a large greatsword).

Looking at the wording of feats is key, people...
TheDragonmaster
11-09-06, 12:58 PM As they have pointed out in the above posts, by RAW this combo does not work. But if your DM allows it, it works in his/her campaign.

And, if you hit epic levels, the Wield Oversized Weapon feat stacks with powerful build.

Also, you may use huge weapons if you take a level of Barbarian (which dosen't mesh very well with PsyWar, I'm afraid) with the substitution level that allows you to grow large when raging instead of having powerful build.

To the logistics problem, I would say that mid- to high-level play may make use of gloves of storing for this kind of thing, or some extradimensional storage (with the blade sheathed, of course). Low-level characters will probably have to carry them in their hands all the time, or put them away temporarily, because I (as a DM) would impose a (not so slight) penalty to all manual skills (maybe like encumbrance) on characters carrying swords bigger than they themselves are on their back.
Dwarven_Jihad
11-09-06, 05:45 PM Also, you may use huge weapons if you take a level of Barbarian (which dosen't mesh very well with PsyWar, I'm afraid) with the substitution level that allows you to grow large when raging instead of having powerful build.

Psychic Warriors can take the Expansion power, no need to take a level in Barbarian. I think that substitution level is for Goliaths, anyway.

At 7th manifester level, burn 7 power points and go up two size categories--become Huge, wielding Gargantuan weapons. And then don't be surprised when the DM has you crawling through 5' kobold tunnels the next adventure :)

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
The_Undertaker 11-09-06, 12:00 PM	Alright I just made a Half giant psychic warrior and he has Monkey grip and Oversized two weapon fighting. He wields two huge long swords. Now my problem comes in with how can I carry these since he is technically a medium character. My plan was to just carry these on my back.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 11-09-06, 12:02 PM	POWERFUL BUILD AND MONKEY GRIP DON'T STACK. There, i've said it. No need for anyone else to comment. Edit: sorry, I didn't realise you were new. These threads pop up once a week. Sorry if you took offense. It just gets kinda annoying.
Zherog 11-09-06, 12:07 PM	Ein is correct. Both Powerful Build and Monkey Grip allow you to wield a weapon one size category larger than you are - or, in other words, both allow you to wield a large weapon. Of course, Monkey Grip is worse since it inflicts a -2 penalty on you. Ditch Monkey Grip and grab Power Attack or another combat feat.
The_Undertaker 11-09-06, 12:07 PM	Why wouldnt they stack though?
inthesto 11-09-06, 12:13 PM	For the same reason modifiers of the same type don't stack: Because WotC said so.
Einvaldurinn_mikli 11-09-06, 12:15 PM	Can I combine Monkey Grip and Powerful Build? Do they stack? No. Powerful build says that it treats the character as being one size category larger in many ways. And then it lists them: - he is treated as one size larger, if doing so is advantageous to him, when he is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check. - he is considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size can affect him. Now, he is not treated as one size larger for the purpose of wielding weapons. Rather, he can wield weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty. Monkey Grip(MG) would give him the same advantage, but with a -2 penalty. Monkey Grip(MG) allows you to use a weapon of larger size than yours without changing the effort you need to wield it, but with a -2 penalty to attack rolls. The Half-Giant and the Goliath, being Medium creatures, would be allowed to use weapons designed for Large creatures with a -2 penalty, penalty that they can avoid simply using their Powerful Build ability. See?
Zherog 11-09-06, 12:41 PM	Why wouldnt they stack though? Again, Ein is correct. They don't stack because they both allow the character to wield weapons one size category larger than they are. They both have the same benefit (though Monkey Grip has the added cost of a -2 to your attack rolls). If one or the other said, "With this feat/ability you can wield weapons one size larger than normal," then they might stack. But that's not what either ability says.
unusualsuspect 11-09-06, 12:56 PM	It should also be noted, since it has not already, that Monkeygrip does NOT allow you to wield an oversized weapon in your off-hand, except in the case where the weapon is being wielded in both hands (e.g. a large greatsword). Looking at the wording of feats is key, people...
TheDragonmaster 11-09-06, 12:58 PM	As they have pointed out in the above posts, by RAW this combo does not work. But if your DM allows it, it works in his/her campaign. And, if you hit epic levels, the Wield Oversized Weapon feat stacks with powerful build. Also, you may use huge weapons if you take a level of Barbarian (which dosen't mesh very well with PsyWar, I'm afraid) with the substitution level that allows you to grow large when raging instead of having powerful build. To the logistics problem, I would say that mid- to high-level play may make use of gloves of storing for this kind of thing, or some extradimensional storage (with the blade sheathed, of course). Low-level characters will probably have to carry them in their hands all the time, or put them away temporarily, because I (as a DM) would impose a (not so slight) penalty to all manual skills (maybe like encumbrance) on characters carrying swords bigger than they themselves are on their back.
Dwarven_Jihad 11-09-06, 05:45 PM	Also, you may use huge weapons if you take a level of Barbarian (which dosen't mesh very well with PsyWar, I'm afraid) with the substitution level that allows you to grow large when raging instead of having powerful build. Psychic Warriors can take the Expansion power, no need to take a level in Barbarian. I think that substitution level is for Goliaths, anyway. At 7th manifester level, burn 7 power points and go up two size categories--become Huge, wielding Gargantuan weapons. And then don't be surprised when the DM has you crawling through 5' kobold tunnels the next adventure :)