Post/Author/DateTime	Post
nightwalker2000 01-04-07, 10:35 AM	I started to play D&D few time ago,but the DM sad what I don't playng anoth good, becouse I'm not anoth realystik :weep: please try to halp me and not to make a fun of this ! (ps: sorry about mistakes: nonono:)
Einvaldurinn_mikli 01-04-07, 10:38 AM	I want to help you, but I can't understand what you are asking. Could you please rephrase your question?
nightwalker2000 01-04-07, 10:40 AM	[QUOTE=nightwalker2000;11081449]I started to play D&D few time ago,but the DM sad what I don't playng anoth good, becouse I'm not anoth realystik :weep: please try to halp me and not to make a fun of this ! (ps: sorry about mistakes: nonono:)
darkhunter2007 01-04-07, 10:45 AM	I started to play D&D few time ago,but the DM sad what I don't playng anoth good, becouse I'm not anoth realystik :weep: please try to halp me and not to make a fun of this ! (ps: sorry about mistakes: nonono:) ok to work: he started playing D&D a few weaks ago-kinda. but i told him that he isn't roleplaying good enough-he's kinda himself and not the player-very very disturbing. and he need some help with RP. desipher script DC:921430127409, my role:20 Edit:pelor give me Strenght
nightwalker2000 01-04-07, 10:46 AM	I can't play like my charater,I just playng like my self and not like I'm somebody another :(
Artector 01-04-07, 10:48 AM	We could try, but first, I ask you to copy+paste what you type from a word document, it will be easier to read if its vaguely spellchecked. From what little I can decipher you are asking how to roleplay better. In that case I suggest making sure you know your character, likes, dislikes, backstory.
darkhunter2007 01-04-07, 10:52 AM	I can't play like my charater,I just playng like my self and not like I'm somebody another :( sorry Gershom but i have to do this... he don't know how to play his character and not him-because he's religios!!!!!- all he need to do is accept that pelor is the G-d (:D of D&D:D ) than he need to drop off his "yurmle" and dance on the game table, than he'll see that he can be someone which he is not and start RP someone else...
Einvaldurinn_mikli 01-04-07, 10:52 AM	What exactly is it that you need help with? Do you need help making your character more realistic? Assuming that is what you need, try making your characters behavior consistent and avoid doing random weird things like burning down a building. What are you playing anyway? Edit: If he is religious and uncomfortable with acknowledging other gods you really shouldn't make him.
lint trap 01-04-07, 10:59 AM	sorry Gershom but i have to do this... he don't know how to play his character and not him-because he's religios!!!!!- all he need to do is accept that pelor is the G-d (:D of D&D:D ) than he need to drop off his "yurmle" and dance on the game table, than he'll see that he can be someone which he is not and start RP someone else... Where are you and Gershom from, by the way? And what is a "yurmle?"
darkhunter2007 01-04-07, 11:01 AM	What exactly is it that you need help with? Do you need help making your character more realistic? Assuming that is what you need, try making your characters behavior consistent and avoid doing random weird things like burning down a building. What are you playing anyway? Edit: If he is religious and uncomfortable with acknowledging other gods you really shouldn't make him. in the hebrew relg. working-even in a game- other gods are not allowed,he don't plays a cleric or any religios char. he need help with being a pleyer, every littel advice hat you can give is helpfull in this case. he have to succeed in his mission-to become a "pleyer". i can stop making 9999999 worlds each time and we'll have fun.... Edit:now he's writing "shut up"(to me) well if i'll shut up you won't understand him.... K gota go bye"
Ocalus 01-04-07, 11:58 AM	Where are you and Gershom from, by the way? I don't know, but I am guessing "they" are posting from the same city, town, house, desk, and keyboard.
Lunar_Shadow 01-04-07, 12:38 PM	in the hebrew relg. working-even in a game- other gods are not allowed,he don't plays a cleric or any religios char. he need help with being a pleyer, every littel advice hat you can give is helpfull in this case. he have to succeed in his mission-to become a "pleyer". i can stop making 9999999 worlds each time and we'll have fun.... Edit:now he's writing "shut up"(to me) well if i'll shut up you won't understand him.... K gota go bye" Translation (just to make sure)In the Hebrew religion worshiping-even in a game- other gods are not allowed, he dosen't play a cleric or any toher religious charachter. He needs help with being a player (Do you mean charachter?) , every little bit of advice that you can give is helpful in this case. He has to succeed in his mission to become a "player"(Read above) If I can stop making 9999999 worlds each time we'll have fun. (WTF?) Tell him that HE is not worshipping another gods, his charachter is. Besides, only religious classes like clerics require a god to be played.
lint trap 01-04-07, 12:44 PM	My first guess was that these two folks are ESL, but judging from the level of discourse, I'd guess they're both around 11 years old. Which is fine; I started D&D at the ripe old age of 13. That said, I don't think this is a problem that will be solved by other people's advice. But here's me ice-skating uphill: "Nightwalker," D&D is a roleplaying game. The idea is that you pretend to be someone else. It's like acting, except you have to ad-lib your own lines. It's fine to have some similarities between your character and yourself, but there should be plenty of differences as well. And don't worry if your character does some things that you wouldn't do (i.e., worship Pelor). I doubt there's anyone in the real world who does, yet plenty of people play clerics of this G-d without breaking the first commandment. Your not really worshiping him, just talking about a character who does.
On_the_wings_of_TPK 01-04-07, 06:28 PM	If he has religouse objects, then there isn't much you can do. Just do not play a character that follows a god, or ask your DM if he would be ok with your god being introduced into the camapign world. In any event the only character that *has* to follow one of the deities is the paladin. That of course is by the RAW, and up to DM discrition. Now if your asking for general advice on roling playing..Best i can say is close your eyes, and imagin what your character would do in that particular situation. Do that.
leather_book_wizard 01-04-07, 07:24 PM	A really stick player? Wouldn't a really stick player be a construct or something?? But, seriously, you may want to consider spellchecker. As for realistic characters,here are some suggestions. Take a look at your character's stats, especially Wisdom, Intelligence, and Charisma. High Intelligence and low Wisdom could mean that your character is book-smart but doesn't have much common since. By the same token, someone with low Charisma but high Wisdom could be gruff or rude but understands much about the world. Take a look at your character's race and class. What is his history, how did he come to be his class? Answering these questions should help you develop a realistic character.
Nimbus 01-04-07, 08:03 PM	One of the first things I'll suggest is that Nightwalker give us as much information as he feels he can about the personality character he is playing. By having knowledge of the specific character, we will be able to give more benificial information. If you don't have this information, then I suggest that you try and come up with a few lines about him. It will indeed help you with your RP. As regards the problem with religion, I can see where the problem is coming from. What I would suggest is that you drop Pelor as your deity, and instead use the ideal of good as that which you get your spells from. Perhaps your cleric believes so much in following the cause of good that, perhaps, he woke up one morning with spells to aid him in his efforts to aid that cause. This way you don't need to feel guilty about worshipping a particular deity because you aren't doing that.
darkhunter2007 01-05-07, 04:28 AM	night.w can't answer now becouse our shabat (suterday) start in like 4 hours (althrough it's only 11:15AM-friday). now as i said the hebrew religion tells:"don't make your self another g-d but me) rash"i tell:"by saying that he ment to say no one even in a game" our religion is to hard. now about age:"i started playing D&D this year, im 14." what ESL means? about how comes i play with a guy that allways: NPC:shalom,boker tov" (hello,good morning) PC:"baruh hashem":mad: (by the grace of g-d fine) keeps me on my nerves.... now about where ?*****? we: at Lehava(a place which you can use comp.'s) a km or two from the drem. yurmle i mean this thing that religios people wear on there head a small round little hat that don't covers the whole head-used for humility. now info. aint helps him... missed some questions?
Nimbus 01-05-07, 08:26 AM	What ESL means? It stands for "English as a Second Language". Basically, it's for our information telling us that you're from a country where English is not your native language so you won't be criticised for your writing.
Ocalus 01-05-07, 09:39 AM	In any event the only character that *has* to follow one of the deities is the paladin. I think you mean Cleric. Paladins do not need to follow a god or belong to a church.
KurenaiYami 01-05-07, 10:30 AM	desipher script DC:921430127409, my role:20 Now the question comes up how you got +921,430,127,389 modifier to your Decipher Script. :D
KurenaiYami 01-05-07, 10:33 AM	I think you mean Cleric. Paladins do not need to follow a god or belong to a church. Neither do Clerics. Some think it's odd, but it's not a prereq to either class. Though it does make you wonder what holy symbol they're using...
Anaxander 01-05-07, 10:46 AM	Neither do Clerics. Some think it's odd, but it's not a prereq to either class. Though it does make you wonder what holy symbol they're using... Unless one is playing in the Forgotten Realms of course.
Sereno 01-05-07, 10:54 AM	I don't know, sometimes I just get in this sort of mood::banghead: So, here goes.... It sounds to me like you are both fairly serious about your (Hebrew) religion, but nightwalker is more serious about it than darkhunter. Simple way to have fun ... if nightwalker doesn't want to "worship" another god because he feels like he's violating his own religious beliefs, DON'T MAKE HIM! DnD is about escapism and having fun ... you don't have to violate your principles to play. There's no need to REALLY worship Pelor if you want to play. YOU are in charge of the campaign world ... why not create a campaign world where the Hebrew G-d IS there? So, if you MUST play a cleric, you're a cleric of G-d ... simple. Alternatively, if you're somehow FORCED into playing a pre-developed campaign world ... there are a host of characters who are NOT religious by design. Play one of those. And, as has been pointed out, not even CLERICS or PALADINS need to actually worship a god. They can be dedicated to an ideal (like Justice, or Honor, or Fighting-The-Good-Fight).... I'd suggest relaxing, enjoying the game, and not trying to make people do things they find unpleasant or distasteful.
Anaxander 01-05-07, 11:17 AM	YOU are in charge of the campaign world ... why not create a campaign world where the Hebrew G-d IS there? So, if you MUST play a cleric, you're a cleric of G-d ... simple. If you take your monotheistic faith seriously, he should be the only God, otherwise it is a henotheistic system (acceptance of the existence of many gods, but the adoration of one).
darkhunter2007 01-05-07, 11:23 AM	:uh-huh: :rofl: :uh-huh: first of all im not religios!!!!!!!! and i didn't tell him:"play a cleric, he plays a fighter!!!" his character isn't religios! i just blame his religios mind,because a still think's like a religios person (i mean of the true g-d,not pelor or any D&D god) he just don't know how to be someone else,it's kinda hard for me to explain it to him because by my self-i don't know how do i do that. comeon people just give him the tips, i mean your personal tips not the ones from the PHB that dosn't help here. someone here is a phychologic?,i think it can helps
Ocalus 01-05-07, 11:23 AM	It sounds to me like you are both fairly serious about your (Hebrew) religion, but nightwalker is more serious about it than darkhunter. See, that's one of the that makes all this seem a little fishy: Hebrew is a language, Judaism is a religion. If he really is a religious Jew he should know the difference.
a_psh 01-05-07, 11:35 AM	Hebrew is a lnague, Judaism is a religion."Hebrew" can also refer to anything that is Hebraic, i.e. related to the ancient Hebrews. But, yeah, you generally don't use it to describe modern Jews or modern Judaism (some other languages, like Russian, do use cognates of "Hebrew" to refer to modern Jews).
Anaxander 01-05-07, 11:36 AM	First step: Look at some movies. Look how a character you like acts and behaves. This can be physical (eg waves a lot with his hands) or mental (eg gets angry very fast, is really tough) traits. Try to act like that person. Second step: Add your own peculiarities to the character
Fireclave 01-05-07, 01:00 PM	I orginally didn't plan on writing so much, but eh. Grab some popcorn and a soda, this'll take a minute. Basically, you need to come up with a cool character concept and then play it. And the easiest way to do that is create a background for your character as complete as you can. The more you know about your character, the better you can roleplay him. There's lots of ways to go about doing this. For a starting point, you can base your character off of characters from your favorite movies, books, and videogames, or you can make up some off the top of your head. Then you'll probably want to pick a class and race. Once you have a basic idea of your character, starting asking yourself some questions. For starters, ask yourself: 1) What is my character's name? This is a great starting point. Not only will your character's name affect how he and others respond to him, but last names often indicate the character's profession (or the profession of his family/ancestors). Bob elicts a completely different response than Redgar. Likewise, Redgar Jordan, Redgar the Brave, Redgar the Brave, and Redgar Wolfbane, all protray different character personalties and traits. 2) What are my character's ideals? What does my character stand for and base his actions on? Law? Justice? God? Gold? Glory? Presevation of nature? The destruction of all dragons? Good? Evil? Only looking out for number one? Ideals tend to be a bit broader than motivations. Speaking of motivations... 3) What are my character's motivations and goals? Or in other words, why is my character an "adventurer." The term "adventurer" is pretty broad in D&D, but it essentially equates to "some guy with a PC class going out into the world and doing dangerous stuff." And considering how dangerous a typical D&D world is, most people would be happier (and live longer) back on the farm. So what is it that your character is doing and why he doing it? An easy formula is to pick a goal, a means to acquire that goal, and a motivation for aquiring that goal. If money is the goal your character, your character means might be to become a thief, tomb raider, con artist, or sword for higher. For motivation, your character might be seeking wealth simply to live the easy life, to help his poor family back home, to fund a new orphanage or other public works, to become rich enough to impress said fair damsel, to pay off a huge dept, or simply greed. 4) What are my characters like and dislikes. This is a grab-bag category for anything else that could immediately discribe your character. Be as far or as short reaching as you like. My character likes loyalty, a good joke, vintage wine and cheese. Example: My character hates short jokes, people who think they are better than everybody else, thieves, and stewed spinich. Try to establish some significant meaning to some of your likes and dislikes along with some appropriate actions. For example, if your character enjoys vintage wines, then whenever you enter a tavern, ask for the best wines available. If said tavern has no such wines in stock, refuse to patron their and take your business to the upper part of town. Act this all out in character. If your character hates stewed spinich, then whenever you visit a tavern, or any other time you need an amusing and distracting story, have him recite the tale where he was shipwrecked on the sea and had to eat nothing but stewwed spinich for two weeks. 5) What traits define my character's personalty. Alignment will be a factor, but it shouldn't be the only one. Is your character forthright, cunning, sneaky, arrogant, opptismistic, intimidating, vulgar, honest, opertunistic, kind, quiet, slow, absentminded, smart, ruthless, compassionate, insightful, greedy, analytical? You don't have to pick just one. Most people have more than one trait and exhibit them to different degrees. Perhaps your character is hostest and outspoken, but a little greedy (even though he's honest about it). Perhaps he is kind and compassionate to his friends and family, but ruthlessly fights anyone that would cause them harm. Perhaps your character looks like a big, intimidating brusier, but actually has a cunning and analytical mind. Or perhaps your character is slow, yet insightful like Forest Gump. ***** With those five things squared away, you should have a playerable character. But if you want to go a bit deeper... ***** 6) What was my character's childhood like? You character's childhood would have affected the kind of person he is today. What was his parents like? Any bothers or sisters? What was the community he grew up in like (rich upper class, poor lower class, rural, lone cottage in the woods, a small tribe of barbarians)? Were there any notable mentors your character had while growing up? Did you character learn a trade or profession while growing up. Any significant events (both positive and negative). How did such events affect your character. 7) How did your character acquire his class? Were you taught by a lone mentor? Did you join a organization or school? Did you seek out the mentor/organization, or were you discovered. Were you drafted into the role (as might be the case for fighters during a war). Were you born into the position? What did you do for your training. How long did your training take. Were there any snags or especially rough times during your training. Did you aquire any friends, rivals, or enemies during your training. Just keep asking yourself questions like these, and you'll have a fully fleshed out character. It may seem a bit daunting at first, but by fleshing out your character in the beginning, you won't have to sweat the details later. Your character will practically write itself after a while.
KurenaiYami 01-05-07, 01:33 PM	Unless one is playing in the Forgotten Realms of course. There's always an exception. I was just speaking from Core Cleric RAW.
WizO_Cat 01-05-07, 05:43 PM	It looks like it already has, but jsut to be sure: let's get the discussion back on the topic of the thread and not real life religions. It's looks like the religious question has been asked and answered, so let's leave it at that. Furthermore, this is a board for the discussion of Dungeons and Dragons, not religions, so it off topic. Thanks in advance.
Sinaz 01-05-07, 06:40 PM	well, um, how to tie this advice in without seeming to step over WizO-Cat's head... I had a fellow player who got me into the habit of making all out of character comments and narration in 3rd person. The reason being because he took offense when I would refer to his character's actions as "you did this / you do that". He'd remind me "My character is doing that... not me... I'm just playing a game." It's a nit picky sort of thing, but I understood where he was coming from. He wanted to make sure that in practice, the actions, thoughts, ethics, and morals of his character were purely an invention of his imagination and not necessarily a reflection of his own identity. With that said, it's not the player who worships a god. It's the character. And if your real God of choice can't tell the difference... well... look, my feeble, mortal mind can tell the difference, surely your God is capable of all the understanding that I am and infinitely more. It's just like the old paraphrasing... "I'm not a dragon slayer... but I play one on TV."
Ryusage 01-05-07, 07:04 PM	A fun way to be a realystik player is to cover yourself in glue before the session.
hmmmm 01-05-07, 09:09 PM	A fun way to be a realystik player is to cover yourself in glue before the session. Dowutnow?
KurenaiYami 01-05-07, 10:44 PM	Dowutnow? I believe it was a pun about him spelling it "realystik." Like he wants to be a really sticky player.
leather_book_wizard 01-05-07, 10:47 PM	I believe it was a pun about him spelling it "realystik." Like he wants to be a really sticky player. Yes. And I said a "realystik" player would be a construct. But that'd be more of a realystik character, wouldn't it?;)
darkhunter2007 01-06-07, 04:32 AM	I orginally didn't plan on writing so much, but eh. Grab some popcorn and a soda, this'll take a minute. Basically, you need to come up with a cool character concept and then play it. And the easiest way to do that is create a background for your character as complete as you can. The more you know about your character, the better you can roleplay him. There's lots of ways to go about doing this. For a starting point, you can base your character off of characters from your favorite movies, books, and videogames, or you can make up some off the top of your head. Then you'll probably want to pick a class and race. Once you have a basic idea of your character, starting asking yourself some questions. For starters, ask yourself: 1) What is my character's name? This is a great starting point. Not only will your character's name affect how he and others respond to him, but last names often indicate the character's profession (or the profession of his family/ancestors). Bob elicts a completely different response than Redgar. Likewise, Redgar Jordan, Redgar the Brave, Redgar the Brave, and Redgar Wolfbane, all protray different character personalties and traits. 2) What are my character's ideals? What does my character stand for and base his actions on? Law? Justice? God? Gold? Glory? Presevation of nature? The destruction of all dragons? Good? Evil? Only looking out for number one? Ideals tend to be a bit broader than motivations. Speaking of motivations... 3) What are my character's motivations and goals? Or in other words, why is my character an "adventurer." The term "adventurer" is pretty broad in D&D, but it essentially equates to "some guy with a PC class going out into the world and doing dangerous stuff." And considering how dangerous a typical D&D world is, most people would be happier (and live longer) back on the farm. So what is it that your character is doing and why he doing it? An easy formula is to pick a goal, a means to acquire that goal, and a motivation for aquiring that goal. If money is the goal your character, your character means might be to become a thief, tomb raider, con artist, or sword for higher. For motivation, your character might be seeking wealth simply to live the easy life, to help his poor family back home, to fund a new orphanage or other public works, to become rich enough to impress said fair damsel, to pay off a huge dept, or simply greed. 4) What are my characters like and dislikes. This is a grab-bag category for anything else that could immediately discribe your character. Be as far or as short reaching as you like. My character likes loyalty, a good joke, vintage wine and cheese. Example: My character hates short jokes, people who think they are better than everybody else, thieves, and stewed spinich. Try to establish some significant meaning to some of your likes and dislikes along with some appropriate actions. For example, if your character enjoys vintage wines, then whenever you enter a tavern, ask for the best wines available. If said tavern has no such wines in stock, refuse to patron their and take your business to the upper part of town. Act this all out in character. If your character hates stewed spinich, then whenever you visit a tavern, or any other time you need an amusing and distracting story, have him recite the tale where he was shipwrecked on the sea and had to eat nothing but stewwed spinich for two weeks. 5) What traits define my character's personalty. Alignment will be a factor, but it shouldn't be the only one. Is your character forthright, cunning, sneaky, arrogant, opptismistic, intimidating, vulgar, honest, opertunistic, kind, quiet, slow, absentminded, smart, ruthless, compassionate, insightful, greedy, analytical? You don't have to pick just one. Most people have more than one trait and exhibit them to different degrees. Perhaps your character is hostest and outspoken, but a little greedy (even though he's honest about it). Perhaps he is kind and compassionate to his friends and family, but ruthlessly fights anyone that would cause them harm. Perhaps your character looks like a big, intimidating brusier, but actually has a cunning and analytical mind. Or perhaps your character is slow, yet insightful like Forest Gump. ***** With those five things squared away, you should have a playerable character. But if you want to go a bit deeper... ***** 6) What was my character's childhood like? You character's childhood would have affected the kind of person he is today. What was his parents like? Any bothers or sisters? What was the community he grew up in like (rich upper class, poor lower class, rural, lone cottage in the woods, a small tribe of barbarians)? Were there any notable mentors your character had while growing up? Did you character learn a trade or profession while growing up. Any significant events (both positive and negative). How did such events affect your character. 7) How did your character acquire his class? Were you taught by a lone mentor? Did you join a organization or school? Did you seek out the mentor/organization, or were you discovered. Were you drafted into the role (as might be the case for fighters during a war). Were you born into the position? What did you do for your training. How long did your training take. Were there any snags or especially rough times during your training. Did you aquire any friends, rivals, or enemies during your training. Just keep asking yourself questions like these, and you'll have a fully fleshed out character. It may seem a bit daunting at first, but by fleshing out your character in the beginning, you won't have to sweat the details later. Your character will practically write itself after a while. What have you done!!!!! you forgot one thing,his english suck (it isn't a bad word right?) you brought hell on me, he'll ask me for translation every sec. The CoC says not to ARGUE about religions ... as in "mine is better than yours" or other such nonsense. Not that you can't make any references about it at all.... By "Hebrew god" I meant specifically the way Jews see God ... usually referred to, as far as I know, as "Yahweh" or "JHVH" or "Jehovah". Despite the fact that JHVH, Allah, and God the Father are the same ... there ARE differences between the way all of the "religions of The Book" picture (for lack of a better word) Him. what you just said was insulting. please respect our religion, his clear name never to be said. i ask you to censor his name, thanks in advance. sorry that i got off topic again just heat me badly,althrough i'm not religios. PS:i forgot where i posted the:"someone plays D&D online" someone knows where can i find it?
Thiez 01-06-07, 09:30 AM	first of all im not religios!!!!!!!! i'm not religios. some stuff about religions what you just said was insulting, please respect our religion So you're not religious? I think you're in denial :P If his name is not to be said, how do you know his name?
Nimbus 01-06-07, 09:54 AM	Guys, as Wiz_O Cat said, keep off the religion. Otherwise this thread'll get locked. Darkhunter, it would probably be best if you give your friend a translation or at least a sumamry anyway since Fireclave's advice is very good and will help him alot with his problem. It will also help you as DM since it will provide you with more information about his character that you can use when planning your adventures.
Fireclave 01-06-07, 04:35 PM	What have you done!!!!! you forgot one thing,his english suck (it isn't a bad word right?) you brought hell on me, he'll ask me for translation every sec. Um...Babel Fish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)? :P
Sereno 01-06-07, 04:38 PM	what you just said was insulting. please respect our religion, his clear name never to be said. No ... what I did might be *insensitive* to your beliefs, but it's not *insulting*. That's why I used "JHVH" ... see, that was being respectful. Using the spelled out names was for the benefit of other readers who might not know what I was talking about ... not an insult. Insulting is when you denigrate or "put down" someone or something else. I would *never* do that ... He's my God as well.... Have a nice day.
KurenaiYami 01-07-07, 02:57 AM	No ... what I did might be *insensitive* to your beliefs, but it's not *insulting*. That's why I used "JHVH" ... see, that was being respectful. Using the spelled out names was for the benefit of other readers who might not know what I was talking about ... not an insult. Insulting is when you denigrate or "put down" someone or something else. I would *never* do that ... He's my God as well.... Have a nice day. Are you seriously arguing that he should have said insensitive instead of insulting? His English is not top notch. Just go with the gist of what he's saying, don't get into semantics. No good will come of it. And you have a nice day as well.
darkhunter2007 01-07-07, 02:58 AM	No ... what I did might be *insensitive* to your beliefs, but it's not *insulting*. That's why I used "JHVH" ... see, that was being respectful. Using the spelled out names was for the benefit of other readers who might not know what I was talking about ... not an insult. Insulting is when you denigrate or "put down" someone or something else. I would *never* do that ... He's my God as well.... Have a nice day. jew? about why it's insulting because, still i learn in a religios school and they stucked that up in my by showing me things like mirecles and prophets and why christians "keep" shabat at sunday :rofl: why muslams do it in friday:rofl::rofl: who is jesus exacly who's muhamad from where jesus got is powers(that was rogish) and all,damn, ok stop with the religios thing and get back to the threth
enlightened 01-07-07, 08:37 AM	Um...Babel Fish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/)? :P Just so you know...... Translation programs throw out nothing but gibberish. And the one here doesn't seem to have Hebrew, which is what his friend would need. On the topic of roleplaying a character: I would suggest finding an existing fictional character (...is that confusing??:) ) that you really like and modeling your character as much as possible after them. ......I know the Drizzt clones would agree with me :D .
Sereno 01-07-07, 05:47 PM	Are you seriously arguing that he should have said insensitive instead of insulting? His English is not top notch. Just go with the gist of what he's saying, don't get into semantics. No good will come of it. And you have a nice day as well. No ... my point is that INSULTING someone's religion IS a big deal ... and I did not insult his religion. I might have been a tad insensitive about his practical day-to-day beliefs, but nothing I said was **insulting** to his religion (and certainly not meant to be insulting). Semantics sometimes IS important, especially when there is a language "barrier". It IS important to me that it is understood that I was NOT insulting darkhunter2007's religion! (Especially by him.)
User5127 01-07-07, 06:51 PM	ok. Not to offend the Wiz-Os. I'm am talking about religion here, BUT it is merely to point out certain things about how these people probably view the game. I'm not bringing religion up as a means to compare/contrast other religions nor am I doing this in anyway shape or form to start a fight/flamewar. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page I think it would be very considerate of every one involed to mabye spend 5 minutes looking up some information on the good ol wiki. Please educate yourself about other people before making any kind of comment regarding their comment/post. Try to understand that not every one sees the world as you do. Thanks! nightwalker2000 and darkhunter2007 are of a certain religion. Some would call them Hebrew others Jewish. the point is they have real life beliefs. and that is perfectly fine. Every one has a belief system. Now (iirc) spelling the name of thier lord in anything that can be erased/isn't permanent is considered insulting to said lord. Hence they spell their lords name as G-d. nightwalker and darkhunter, I understand the point of view you are comming from and it may offend you that some people spell out the word "God" while in your mind it should be "G-d". That is a fine point of view, and nothing is wrong with it. But just to make you understand some other peoples point of views: they may not see it as offensive and thus they spell it as "God". While it's perfectly ok to tell them that it offends you, it would be presumptuous and egotistical to expect them to change their ways to conform to your belief system. Just as it would be presumptuous and egotistical of me to ask that you do things the way my religion says they must be done. So to every one involved in this please don't take offense to what others say and take everything with a grain of salt. Also I would like to just mention that the word god and G-d have two very different meanings. So please don't be offended by my typing "god", I am refering to a deity and not the actual lord "G-d" Thanks! ^_^ This is the reason that religion talk is a violation of the CoC. It is VERY easy to step on other peoples toes why you post and not realise it. (although I don't see how explaining some ones religion or one's to should be against the CoC, since you are trying to get people to understand your point of view. But most of the time some one will step in and be offended and offend others thus derailing a possibly good thread and getting it locked.) Also: nightwalker and darkhunter. I applogize that you may have difficulty understanding the english language. But I don't know how to write in your language. If I did I would have this all typed up for you to understand. But as it stands, I can't. I'm sorry if this is of an inconvienience to you. I will try to type ledgibly and clearly so that you may hopefully understand. It may be hard for nightwalker to roleplay as something he is not. But here is how I would advise him to do it: First he would have to learn how to put his mind in some one else's head! I would suggest watching things from different cultures and learning about how other people in this world view the place they live in. Open your mind to the possibility of another way of thinking. That is the key. Basically put; Walk a mile in some one else's shoes and see the world from a different set of eyes. Once you can understand the world from a different way you can apply that to DnD. This is the step that every one else is talking about. Namely Firclave. Who I give props to for a very good post! click the snipped bit bellow to read his post. Very good job! I orginally didn't plan on writing so much, but eh. Grab some popcorn and a soda, this'll take a minute. Basically, you need to come up with a cool character concept and then play it. And the easiest way to do that is create a background for your character as complete as you can. The more you know about your character, the better you can roleplay him. There's lots of ways to go about doing this. For a starting point, you can base your character off of characters from your favorite movies, books, and videogames, or you can make up some off the top of your head. Then you'll probably want to pick a class and race. Once you have a basic idea of your character, starting asking yourself some questions. For starters, ask yourself: 1) What is my character's name? This is a great starting point. Not only will your character's name affect how he and others respond to him, but last names often indicate the character's profession (or the profession of his family/ancestors). Bob elicts a completely different response than Redgar. Likewise, Redgar Jordan, Redgar the Brave, Redgar the Brave, and Redgar Wolfbane, all protray different character personalties and traits. 2) What are my character's ideals? What does my character stand for and base his actions on? Law? Justice? God? Gold? Glory? Presevation of nature? The destruction of all dragons? Good? Evil? Only looking out for number one? Ideals tend to be a bit broader than motivations. Speaking of motivations... 3) What are my character's motivations and goals? Or in other words, why is my character an "adventurer." The term "adventurer" is pretty broad in D&D, but it essentially equates to "some guy with a PC class going out into the world and doing dangerous stuff." And considering how dangerous a typical D&D world is, most people would be happier (and live longer) back on the farm. So what is it that your character is doing and why he doing it? An easy formula is to pick a goal, a means to acquire that goal, and a motivation for aquiring that goal. If money is the goal your character, your character means might be to become a thief, tomb raider, con artist, or sword for higher. For motivation, your character might be seeking wealth simply to live the easy life, to help his poor family back home, to fund a new orphanage or other public works, to become rich enough to impress said fair damsel, to pay off a huge dept, or simply greed. 4) What are my characters like and dislikes. This is a grab-bag category for anything else that could immediately discribe your character. Be as far or as short reaching as you like. My character likes loyalty, a good joke, vintage wine and cheese. Example: My character hates short jokes, people who think they are better than everybody else, thieves, and stewed spinich. Try to establish some significant meaning to some of your likes and dislikes along with some appropriate actions. For example, if your character enjoys vintage wines, then whenever you enter a tavern, ask for the best wines available. If said tavern has no such wines in stock, refuse to patron their and take your business to the upper part of town. Act this all out in character. If your character hates stewed spinich, then whenever you visit a tavern, or any other time you need an amusing and distracting story, have him recite the tale where he was shipwrecked on the sea and had to eat nothing but stewwed spinich for two weeks. 5) What traits define my character's personalty. Alignment will be a factor, but it shouldn't be the only one. Is your character forthright, cunning, sneaky, arrogant, opptismistic, intimidating, vulgar, honest, opertunistic, kind, quiet, slow, absentminded, smart, ruthless, compassionate, insightful, greedy, analytical? You don't have to pick just one. Most people have more than one trait and exhibit them to different degrees. Perhaps your character is hostest and outspoken, but a little greedy (even though he's honest about it). Perhaps he is kind and compassionate to his friends and family, but ruthlessly fights anyone that would cause them harm. Perhaps your character looks like a big, intimidating brusier, but actually has a cunning and analytical mind. Or perhaps your character is slow, yet insightful like Forest Gump. ***** With those five things squared away, you should have a playerable character. But if you want to go a bit deeper... ***** 6) What was my character's childhood like? You character's childhood would have affected the kind of person he is today. What was his parents like? Any bothers or sisters? What was the community he grew up in like (rich upper class, poor lower class, rural, lone cottage in the woods, a small tribe of barbarians)? Were there any notable mentors your character had while growing up? Did you character learn a trade or profession while growing up. Any significant events (both positive and negative). How did such events affect your character. 7) How did your character acquire his class? Were you taught by a lone mentor? Did you join a organization or school? Did you seek out the mentor/organization, or were you discovered. Were you drafted into the role (as might be the case for fighters during a war). Were you born into the position? What did you do for your training. How long did your training take. Were there any snags or especially rough times during your training. Did you aquire any friends, rivals, or enemies during your training. Just keep asking yourself questions like these, and you'll have a fully fleshed out character. It may seem a bit daunting at first, but by fleshing out your character in the beginning, you won't have to sweat the details later. Your character will practically write itself after a while. nightwalker, once you are able to see the world differently you can then be a better roleplayer. Also: If you are worried about offending your lord G-d, I would reccomend talking to your religious leader. You spell certain words differently (I'm familiar with a Yamaka but not a yurmle, but your friend described the same thing). I believe you would call the a Rabbi? At any rate, talk to a priest of your religion to get some thoughts. If your priest says that even in a game of pretend worshiping another god than your G-d is wrong. then it is up to you to decide if that is how you want to think. Also as a general balance: Eberron is very low key when it comes to worship. In fact they pretty much do with out any gods at all in that game. If bringing up various DnD religions is hard/offensive then don't play with them. Play an Eberron setting. a Yurmle seems to be the small cap that you wear on your head as a sign of faith. a Shabat seems to be what I'm familiar with called a Sabbath. The day of rest. ESL = English as a second language Anyways, hopefully by the time of posting this it hasn't been locked. (It's happened before, and it makes me sad), I would also reccomend that nightwalker change the title of the topic (If he can) to "Help me learn how to Roleplay" since that is what he is refering to. Cheers. and I hope you found this helpful.
Ocalus 01-08-07, 09:39 AM	jew? about why it's insulting because, still i learn in a religios school and they stucked that up in my by showing me things like mirecles and prophets and why christians "keep" shabat at sunday :rofl: why muslams do it in friday:rofl::rofl: who is jesus exacly who's muhamad from where jesus got is powers(that was rogish) and all,damn, ok stop with the religios thing and get back to the threth Once more for the hard of listening: Stop talking about religion.
starfire311 01-08-07, 09:53 AM	meh
Fireclave 01-11-07, 07:55 AM	Once you can understand the world from a different way you can apply that to DnD. This is the step that every one else is talking about. Namely Firclave. Who I give props to for a very good post! click the snipped bit bellow to read his post. Very good job! Thanks for the props :D
Firestar27 01-11-07, 02:41 PM	edit: woops, almost had a violation of CoC. fixed it quickly though. For normal roleplaying: imagine your reading a book. you read finished it and you now know the character inside and out. you might think, "now what if this happened to the main character in the story?" You would know how the story would progress from there. I often do this after reading books. Just imagine your character is a character in a story. Another solution is not to make yourself roleplay another personality, but rather, have your character's personality be your own. If you can't roleplay your own personality, then somethings wrong.
Yokomohoyo 01-12-07, 02:10 AM	What I could suggest is just thinking that the character is a role from a movie... All you have to do is "act"... Sure I understand that your religion prohibits worshiping another god but then again you are not worshipping a god. Also you could avoid paladins and clerics altogether, or you could say that your character recives his power from your god and your DM could allow you to recive the same powers that a cleric or paladin would recive in this format... but for that yoiu must talk with your dm.
User5127 01-12-07, 09:25 AM	Actually I was talking to some one of that religion the other day. this person is very.. orthodozx (i think thats the word) or devout. ANYways. I take them seriously because they were training in school to become a rabbi. So from the horses mouth: Paying lip service to any god, even in a game, is a BIG no no in the strict sense of thier religion. As such using the "it's just a game" reason to play/worship doesn't work for some people. As such I reccomend this topic form the mature boards. it deals with religion in a game and how to arrange a cosmology around your specific religion. Perhaps this could work. since you would be roleplaying characters who worship your god, as such you wouldn't have to feel like you are being blasphemous. Religious Issue (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=769135)
darkhunter2007 01-14-07, 10:23 AM	ok. Not to offend the Wiz-Os. I'm am talking about religion here, BUT it is merely to point out certain things about how these people probably view the game. I'm not bringing religion up as a means to compare/contrast other religions nor am I doing this in anyway shape or form to start a fight/flamewar. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page I think it would be very considerate of every one involed to mabye spend 5 minutes looking up some information on the good ol wiki. Please educate yourself about other people before making any kind of comment regarding their comment/post. Try to understand that not every one sees the world as you do. Thanks! nightwalker2000 and darkhunter2007 are of a certain religion. Some would call them Hebrew others Jewish. the point is they have real life beliefs. and that is perfectly fine. Every one has a belief system. Now (iirc) spelling the name of thier lord in anything that can be erased/isn't permanent is considered insulting to said lord. Hence they spell their lords name as G-d. nightwalker and darkhunter, I understand the point of view you are comming from and it may offend you that some people spell out the word "God" while in your mind it should be "G-d". That is a fine point of view, and nothing is wrong with it. But just to make you understand some other peoples point of views: they may not see it as offensive and thus they spell it as "God". While it's perfectly ok to tell them that it offends you, it would be presumptuous and egotistical to expect them to change their ways to conform to your belief system. Just as it would be presumptuous and egotistical of me to ask that you do things the way my religion says they must be done. So to every one involved in this please don't take offense to what others say and take everything with a grain of salt. Also I would like to just mention that the word god and G-d have two very different meanings. So please don't be offended by my typing "god", I am refering to a deity and not the actual lord "G-d" Thanks! ^_^ This is the reason that religion talk is a violation of the CoC. It is VERY easy to step on other peoples toes why you post and not realise it. (although I don't see how explaining some ones religion or one's to should be against the CoC, since you are trying to get people to understand your point of view. But most of the time some one will step in and be offended and offend others thus derailing a possibly good thread and getting it locked.) Also: nightwalker and darkhunter. I applogize that you may have difficulty understanding the english language. But I don't know how to write in your language. If I did I would have this all typed up for you to understand. But as it stands, I can't. I'm sorry if this is of an inconvienience to you. I will try to type ledgibly and clearly so that you may hopefully understand. It may be hard for nightwalker to roleplay as something he is not. But here is how I would advise him to do it: First he would have to learn how to put his mind in some one else's head! I would suggest watching things from different cultures and learning about how other people in this world view the place they live in. Open your mind to the possibility of another way of thinking. That is the key. Basically put; Walk a mile in some one else's shoes and see the world from a different set of eyes. Once you can understand the world from a different way you can apply that to DnD. This is the step that every one else is talking about. Namely Firclave. Who I give props to for a very good post! click the snipped bit bellow to read his post. Very good job! nightwalker, once you are able to see the world differently you can then be a better roleplayer. Also: If you are worried about offending your lord G-d, I would reccomend talking to your religious leader. You spell certain words differently (I'm familiar with a Yamaka but not a yurmle, but your friend described the same thing). I believe you would call the a Rabbi? At any rate, talk to a priest of your religion to get some thoughts. If your priest says that even in a game of pretend worshiping another god than your G-d is wrong. then it is up to you to decide if that is how you want to think. Also as a general balance: Eberron is very low key when it comes to worship. In fact they pretty much do with out any gods at all in that game. If bringing up various DnD religions is hard/offensive then don't play with them. Play an Eberron setting. a Yurmle seems to be the small cap that you wear on your head as a sign of faith. a Shabat seems to be what I'm familiar with called a Sabbath. The day of rest. ESL = English as a second language Anyways, hopefully by the time of posting this it hasn't been locked. (It's happened before, and it makes me sad), I would also reccomend that nightwalker change the title of the topic (If he can) to "Help me learn how to Roleplay" since that is what he is refering to. Cheers. and I hope you found this helpful. thank you very much, i hope it'll help him out. about shabbat-it's 'saterday' in hebrew but really it a time from friday to saterday.
Turel 01-14-07, 06:11 PM	jew? about why it's insulting because, still i learn in a religios school and they stucked that up in my by showing me things like mirecles and prophets and why christians "keep" shabat at sunday :rofl: why muslams do it in friday:rofl::rofl: who is jesus exacly who's muhamad from where jesus got is powers(that was rogish) and all,damn, ok stop with the religios thing and get back to the threth *rolls eyes* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prejudice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_of_treatment Sorry mate, but if you cant handle people saying things about your religion then dont hassle anyone elses.
nightwalker2000 01-15-07, 10:29 AM	please stop to talk about religion,I don't need any advises about it.:mad: just halp me with roleplaying!!! P.S.:fanks for everybody who halped me;)
nightwalker2000 01-15-07, 10:34 AM	if you so want to speak about religion do another "speshial" topik for with and i'll be happy to answer some questions!:plotting:
darkhunter2007 01-15-07, 10:42 AM	To work! please stop to talk about religion,I don't need any advises about it.:mad: just halp me with roleplaying!!! P.S.:fanks for everybody who halped me;) Please stop talking about religios,i only need RP advice! P.S:thanks for everyone that helped me:) if you so want to speak about religion do another "speshial" topik for with and i'll be happy to answer some questions!:plotting: if you want to speak about religios,do another "special" (nobody can gess that) thread,and i'll be happy to answer your questions P.S:don't do that!!!!!! about this: if you want to speak about religios,do another "special" (nobody can gess that) thread,and i'll be happy to answer your questions he wanted to say make another thread and i'll answer your questions there...
nightwalker2000 01-15-07, 10:42 AM	you know, every information can halp
User5127 01-15-07, 11:20 AM	I guessed what "speshial" was supposed to mean. Am I nobody? And I'm glad we could help you both! Happy gaming!
Sereno 01-15-07, 01:13 PM	you know, every information can halp So, how's it going? Have you been able to put any of the advice into play? What are you finding most useful? BTW, there's another thread about "good" roleplaying, here (http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=768897). When I'm a player, I find it easiest to get into the roleplaying by approaching each situation and thinking, "How would Aedwyn (my character) approach this?" As opposed to thinking about how *I* would do it ... even if I had his powers/skills. I try to take into account all of the things I know about my character; what he likes and what he hates. What experiences has he had? And, I use all of this information to try to approach the situation in a manner that makes sense for my concept of what Aedwyn is like. I'm also a big fan of detail. I like to know what my PC looks like, how he talks (even if I don't aways do an accent), what kind of gear he prefers and what it looks like.
Edymnion 01-15-07, 04:40 PM	Okay, sticking to the topic of improving roleplaying ability. And I will try to keep my english simple. 1) D&D characters are like TV people. If you watch a TV show for a long time, you know how the characters will react. On The Simpsons, you know that Homer will be lazy, and that Bart will get in trouble. If they don't do this, you know something is wrong. D&D is the same way. Think of your character like a TV character. Make him like you are making a TV character. What does he do? Does he get mad easy, or is he lazy? Make a list of things the character does. When something happens in game, look at the list, and see if something like it is written down. If not, pretend you are still adding to the list. "What would he do if this happened?" Then have the character do that. The character is not you. If it helps, try making a character that is like a TV character, or book character, or movie character. One you like. That way, you already know what that person would do, and then you can have your character do the same thing. When you get bored of that, you can make up a new person that is not like anybody else. 2) You can put יהוה into the game. Much of the Torah is filled with the stories of the Jewish people living in lands with many gods. D&D does not have to be differant, you can have your character believe in יהוה just like any other. If you want, you could even make the whole game about it, and have your character help make Isreal in the game, just like in the Torah. David was a great fighter too! 3) No one begins as a good roleplayer. It is a skill you must learn. You were not good swimming or riding a bicycle when you first tried, and he is not good at roleplaying when he first tried. He just needs practice.
bholdr_mage 01-15-07, 07:42 PM	Doesn't this thread inspire anyone at WizO's to push for a spell-check? This is rediculous. I understand there are variant ages and itellects that play the game. I understand that occasionally a misspelled word is going to pop up. But "help" being misspelled? I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but I just don't feel like helping anyone that can't spell a 4-letter work correctly. Especially an easy 4-letter word. My eyes are now burning. Ow. All 9 of them. :nonono:
Sinaz 01-15-07, 07:47 PM	Doesn't this thread inspire anyone at WizO's to push for a spell-check? This is rediculous. I understand there are variant ages and itellects that play the game. I understand that occasionally a misspelled word is going to pop up. But "help" being misspelled? I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but I just don't feel like helping anyone that can't spell a 4-letter work correctly. Especially an easy 4-letter word. My eyes are now burning. Ow. All 9 of them. :nonono: Make sure you spell check your rants about spell checking. Anyway, I thought all modern browsers now had spell checks integrated. I know that my Firefox v2 underlines misspellings as I type in the form making it downright easy to see spelling errors. It also offers me suggested spellings if I right click on an underlined word. Personally, I think the integration of spell checking into a browser gives full license to humiliate poor spellers. (kidding!)
enlightened 01-15-07, 08:10 PM	This is rediculous. Ridiculous.
Eikre 01-16-07, 03:37 AM	Make sure you spell check your rants about spell checking. Work is a word, and he spelled it correctly. So what the hell.
Falln 01-16-07, 04:01 AM	If a player has a problem with the religion of his PC then there are some things you can do: - Your AREN'T your PC, so you don't worship the gods your PC worships and your PC doesn't worship yours. - You can Roleplay it that your PC worships your god, but he simply gives that god a different name. Think of it like the following: there is only one god, but how do people from the jungle talk to that god? they give him a name. And people from the desert give him a name, ... So it is perfectly possible that the same god has 20 or more names. - You can lower the focus on the gods in the campaign, what do they do besides offering spells? If they say: do what is good, share with the poor, ... then this is the same in every religion. - play a PC who isn't religious and who doesn't care about religion at all.
Sinaz 01-16-07, 12:02 PM	Work is a word, and he spelled it correctly. So what the hell. What the hell is a "four-letter work???"
Boraxe 01-16-07, 04:38 PM	Doesn't this thread inspire anyone at WizO's to push for a spell-check? This is rediculous. I understand there are variant ages and itellects that play the game. I understand that occasionally a misspelled word is going to pop up. But "help" being misspelled? I'm sorry if this is off-topic, but I just don't feel like helping anyone that can't spell a 4-letter work correctly. Especially an easy 4-letter word. My eyes are now burning. Ow. All 9 of them. :nonono: Dear God, Thank you for creating irony. It is my favourite thing in the whole Universe. Your pal, Dave. ;) --- On topic (if it can be called such) the answer is simple: ignore gods and religion. Just strip them from the game entirely. Say that all divine magic - good or evil - comes from universal cosmic forces and just carry on killing monsters and taking their stuff.