Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Master_of_Rouges 01-22-08, 03:09 PM	Alright my brother plays DnD with My Dad, couple of my friends, and me. Problem is everytime he gets to playing he wants to roleplay like he's my Brother. For example: Me: " I'll check this door for traps so no one dies." Brother: "No move ill do this you cant do it right." And he busts through the door gets hit by a fireball and almost dies and then puts his head in his hands because he's about to die and blame's it on me. Well I got tired of it one day and started to fight his character. The DM said as long as we agree on it we can fight. Well i was a rogue/assassin so i went invisible hit him and almost killed him with sneak attack. Well after about 2 minutes he died and he got pi**ed and left. Well he rolled a new character and i warned him not to do it again well he keeps doing it trying to fight my character every chance he gets. So i say i got some options 1. Kill his character again and try to put it in his brain by force. 2. Have my DM kick him from the game unless he gets his attitude straight and wants to play. 3. Humiliate his character every time he wants to be my brother. If anyone has any other ideas please let me know. Or what i should do about it.
toucanbuzz 01-22-08, 03:16 PM	Why shouldn't your DM kick you instead? You're being just as disruptive as your brother, even more so, for starting the fights in game. You will solve NOTHING by "killing" his character, and shame on your DM for allowing this PvP. Since it's a game, it's not real, and your problem IS real. Get your Dad and you guys together and sit down. Tell your brother you are SORRY (be the bigger man here and apologize). Tell him you understand and appreciate what he is trying to do, but you are playing a game where each character has special skills to offer and you aim to use yours. I'm surprised your dad hasn't already stepped in. He may be waiting on you to make the first move. Go for it, nip this in the bud.
Master_of_Rouges 01-22-08, 03:20 PM	Why shouldn't your DM kick you instead? You're being just as disruptive as your brother, even more so, for starting the fights in game. You will solve NOTHING by "killing" his character, and shame on your DM for allowing this PvP. Since it's a game, it's not real, and your problem IS real. Get your Dad and you guys together and sit down. Tell your brother you are SORRY (be the bigger man here and apologize). Tell him you understand and appreciate what he is trying to do, but you are playing a game where each character has special skills to offer and you aim to use yours. I'm surprised your dad hasn't already stepped in. He may be waiting on you to make the first move. Go for it, nip this in the bud. Well my Dad refuses to step in he tried once it stopped but it started again. And no im not complaining about your post. Also yeah i shouldnt have killed his chracter i was going to stop after my first hit but he swung at me again so i had to stop it. But your right i shouldn't have killed his character.
Sinis 01-22-08, 04:19 PM	My brother and I always just beat the snot out of each other, and rarely actually played D&D together. At any rate, talk to him after a game in which he does his "brotherly" thing, and say "Why do you gotta be like that?"
Kouk 01-22-08, 04:39 PM	I guess it depends on your ages here, but couldn't you just ask him nicely to stop doing things like trying to upstage you constantly and putting you down? If you are different characters you should have different skillsets, with everyone being necessary for the party's survival. If he doesn't want to let the Rogue check for traps, then let him open the trapped door -- that sort of thing can happen even when the players aren't related. Just be sure your character offers to check the door the next time, "Why don't you let me roll Search on the next door?" Or maybe you just shouldn't play in the same game together if you fight all the time.
Etarnon 01-23-08, 03:04 AM	Okay, here's your solution. "Hey, Dad, how do i handle this? I can't figure out what to do, and I don't want to kick him out of the game, and I don't want to beat the crap out of him. But he's not playing right, he's just being damn annoying. I need help." Try that, let us know. If you were my son, I'd hope you'd trust me enough to come to me with a problem like this. In the end, it seems like your brother is seeking attention, and it's at the point that negative attention will do for him. Failing that, try to do stuff with your brother that he likes. If that ends up being D&D, mostly, your problem is solved...Next time he acts up, tell him "Play your own character." If he doesn't ask the DM to penalize him, since he has no in game reason to hate your PC and shouldn't be attacking you. If your dad is no help then you'll have to ask your DM to man up and kick the brother from the group for being disruptive.
Jutter 01-23-08, 04:58 AM	So i say i got some options 1. Kill his character again and try to put it in his brain by force. 2. Have my DM kick him from the game unless he gets his attitude straight and wants to play. 3. Humiliate his character every time he wants to be my brother. If anyone has any other ideas please let me know. Or what i should do about it. Option 1 is 'the caveman'. Basically, it says "I will hit you untill you agree with me". Option 2 is 'the popular girl'. This means "I will get somebody to hit you untill you agree with me." Option 3 I like to call 'the fiendish girlfriend'. "I will nag untill you agree with me." It's probably best to take option 4: talk to the guy you have the problem with. Try to sort it out together. Apologize for anything stupid YOU did, no matter if it was in response to something the other guy did. Don't expect him to do the same. Compromise if necessary. If it doesn't work out, stop playing together. I'm just really curious, and you don't have to answer if you don't want to, but how old are you?
Thaden0 01-23-08, 09:37 AM	Why shouldn't your DM kick you instead? You're being just as disruptive as your brother, even more so, for starting the fights in game. You will solve NOTHING by "killing" his character, and shame on your DM for allowing this PvP. Since it's a game, it's not real, and your problem IS real. Get your Dad and you guys together and sit down. Tell your brother you are SORRY (be the bigger man here and apologize). Tell him you understand and appreciate what he is trying to do, but you are playing a game where each character has special skills to offer and you aim to use yours. I'm surprised your dad hasn't already stepped in. He may be waiting on you to make the first move. Go for it, nip this in the bud. Wow, never seen a more arrogant quote from a D&D player before. He was not disruptive to the game at all. His DM gave him the go-ahead for concentual PvP which his brother agreed too. Now... who are you or I to judge this type of play? I for one always play games were players are free to PvP with out permission so long as thier role playing their character properly and this game to my group is the funnest type. If you dont enjoy that type of game, fine.. but don't tell him hes wrong because you dont agree with this style of game. The problem he has is based on RPing. His brothers character is using out-of-character knowledge (that is, he recognizes his 'brother' and treats that person in a diffrent way because of this) and he would like oppinions on how to fix that type of cheating. Your comments are not helping anyone be belittling his play style. To the OP: This is cheating. Unless he is acting that way to every character, there is no reason his character should be treating you in this way. As it is cheating, this is somthing that your brother and the DM should talk about how it can be resolved. Now, If it was me DMing, id likly 'remind' him that in game you all are strangers every time he tries to treat you diffrently.. and if that doesnt work remove him from the game. If your DM will not solve this problem, perhaps its time you find a diffrent group to play with that will play in an enviroment you enjoy.
toucanbuzz 01-23-08, 10:11 AM	Wow, never seen a more arrogant quote from a D&D player before. He was not disruptive to the game at all. His DM gave him the go-ahead for concentual PvP... I'm sure there's more arrogant posts out there, but to lay the point down, there's a problem that's interrupting the game, and at the time no one, not the players and not the DM, helped it by PvPing. For a game founded on cooperation, teamwork, and innovation nothing slaps it in the face harder than degenerating down to a round of Warcraft arena battles to "prove" a point. As I noted, it's a game and you cannot "prove" anything, much less solve problems, this way. The DM should have seen this, realized it, but he didn't and he fanned the proverbial flames. As the OP notes, now his brother just rolls up PCs to fight him "every chance he gets." It's family and I have a feeling they'll work it out, but while D&D may be a great game, it doesn't replace just sitting down and talking.
Kouk 01-23-08, 10:40 AM	Or you could just both make new characters that actually are brothers, so your incessant bickering could be considered "roleplaying"?
Dog_O_War 01-23-08, 01:38 PM	Tell your mom. OR, you could be smart and let him continue to fall prey to his own devices. Offer him redemption, and only save him if he asks. Show him why your characters are not the same, and that your area of expertise is yours and yours alone. What you need is respect, and dueling family is the one sure way to get none of it (I know, I fight my brother all the time!)
MrCustomer 01-23-08, 01:57 PM	In my opinion, you stepped out of line when you faught and killed him the first time, you should never have attempted to resolve what is a RL issue within the game. You escelated a problem, you can't blame him for continuing that escalation. You are the one that has established that your character is the bad guy, regardless of if that is true or not. What you should do is first, appologize to him for killing his character, tell him it was unacceptable behavior on your part, and that it won't happen again. Second, if he in game tries to move your character aside to do something claiming that you will mess up, don't let him do it. You should say outright, "Don't be an idiot, I have a higher skill, if you wish to set off the trap in your face instead of letting the expert do it, then be my guest. But I am NOT responsible for your stupidity" say that as soon as he declares what he is doing. I would go so far as to write it out on paper and slap it on the table in front of him, so when the Fireball goes off in his face you can laugh and point and say "It's your own damn fault, I told you not to do it but you insisted, next time shut up and stay out of my way, I am the expert here"
Dunsel 01-23-08, 04:25 PM	The DM is within his rights to let the PCs fighter each other. This was not an ambush, both players consented. This does sound like a couple brothers living on emotion. Maybe there are un resolved issues OOC but it appears to be spilling over into the game. Just don't play for a while. Even though the "Dad" didn't do anything once it came to yelling. Just stop playing for a couple sessions. Roll up new characters and start again after agreeing to roll play and leave out family issues. If I were the "Dad" I would have stopped both of you from playing immediately. Nowadays that might be child abuse.:rolleyes:
Salla 01-23-08, 04:40 PM	How old are you two, out of curiosity, and who is older? Yes, killing his character was out of line, and you should apologize for it. After that, ask him what his ****ing problem is with this emo passive-aggressive, 'you can't stop me why didn't you stop me' bull****. Your choice of words may vary.
toucanbuzz 01-23-08, 04:41 PM	Nowadays that might be child abuse.:rolleyes: Take away D&D? Aye, that should be abuse. I prefer sending kids to their rooms with the Playstation or Wii, a DVD player, large TV, toys, books, and cell phone and telling them not to come out until they've learned their lesson. That's hardcore punishment. What was I gonna say.....?
Mock26 01-23-08, 04:43 PM	Um, trying talking to him, with your Dad, out of character and let him know that his actions in the game are adversely affecting your enjoyment of the game. Tell him that you don't need, nor want, his character constantly looking over your shoulder trying to do everything for you. Tell him that you want to play the game for yourself.
Master_of_Rouges 01-23-08, 08:24 PM	Ok to clear things up... He is 18 and i am 16. No he doesnt live with us he visits when we play. And another thing really when i fought him it was a fun part in the game. The rest of the characters roleplayed it fine. For instances this is about how it went RP style. Me:Ok Diablo im tired of your crap i challenge you to a fight to the death." Brother: I accept because i know ill kill you because im a soulblade and your a stupid rogue. Dad: Now we need to work together as a team if we lose the rogue then who will search doors for traps? Friend 1: I say let them fight it would interest me to watch a battle like this? Friend 2:Uhh...I really dont care if you guys fight: DM: Well out of game are you guys really gonna fight or continue? Me: I'm willing to fight Brother: Me to And so on and so forth.
Kouk 01-24-08, 03:48 AM	Hehe, the Soulknife thought he would win...
I_roll_ones 01-24-08, 05:20 PM	First, even if the PvP was consentual, it was a dim idea letting you two go at it IC for OoC issues. You're angry at his behavior, and he's trying to control the game. Nothing IC is going to change this, so I would not attack his character. If anything, it's just going to make this worse. However, if he's getting overly emotional over the near-death of his character, then he might not be mature enough to play DnD. If he has to do EVERYTHING, then he is not mature enough to play DnD. If he was a rogue, then see if there are rules for aid on disable device. The more hands to disable it, the merrier. If he wasn't a rogue, ask him to think of DnD as a cooperative game where characters take turn being in the spotlight. He might be good at one thing, and sucky at another, which is why the rogue would step in and do something so he doesn't nearly die. Try to be calm, and remember 'I' statements and saying that this is how you would like to play DnD ("Yes, we could try to kill each other, but it is more efficient and I think fair if we do not try to do everything by ourselves" type of thing) when dealing with him. What do the other players think of this situation?
Master_of_Rouges 01-24-08, 07:59 PM	Well I decided to kill his character because i didnt want to make this a real life situation. That would make things worse and we probably wouldn't be playing DnD right now. The other character were a little iffy after the game about the big Half-giant soulknife (as mentioned earlier) died. But decided to roleplay to the best they could next session. Also we are playing this weekend. And im going to try to roleplay mine and when he steps out of line and be's my brother ill continue to roleplay and get extra exp.:D
Saedar 01-25-08, 11:57 AM	Well I decided to kill his character because i didnt want to make this a real life situation. That would make things worse and we probably wouldn't be playing DnD right now. The other character were a little iffy after the game about the big Half-giant soulknife (as mentioned earlier) died. But decided to roleplay to the best they could next session. Also we are playing this weekend. And im going to try to roleplay mine and when he steps out of line and be's my brother ill continue to roleplay and get extra exp.:D Kinda immature, imo, but I don't know your family dynamics. Personally, I game with my girlfriend and her younger brother (I DM). If we have an issue, we talk about it. Executing another character, agreed upon duel or not, and using "roleplaying" as justification is just as immature as "NO! I WANNA OPEN THE DOOR! ...OOF! WHY DID THE FIREBALL HIT ME?!?!?!" If your approach works for your family, so be it. I will say that such behavior has NEVER worked in ANY game I have played. Ever. Edit: Btw, it is already a RL situation. There is some dynamic between your brother and yourself that is running over into the game. Deal with it in a RL way.
Master_of_Rouges 01-26-08, 10:32 PM	Ok im not trying to start something here but i think it would be more immature if i brought it into real life. I handled it like he was roleplaying his character and i came to the conclusion to kill him, and not fight with him in real life. Which would delay the game and thus the party would disperse and no more DnD.
CrimsonDeath 01-27-08, 01:01 PM	I don't think anyone's suggesting that you punch your brother IRL.
Saedar 01-27-08, 03:39 PM	Look to Crimson for truth. Look, you are in the later years of high school and you are playing with people older than you. Everyone present, or so one would hope, should be able to deal with you voicing your opinion in a mature and non-confrontational way. Look at it this way. If you keep offing your brother's character, it will force a wedge between the two of you. One day, he may get tired of it and simply leave the game. Now, you seem interested in playing with your brother or else you would not have come here asking for advice. Thus, him leaving would be bad and might irritate the others that you play with and the game may just break down. If your brother refuses to listen to reason and the group refuses to support you then maybe this isn't the group you should be playing with.
Kouk 01-28-08, 01:56 AM	Ok im not trying to start something here but i think it would be more immature if i brought it into real life. I handled it like he was roleplaying his character and i came to the conclusion to kill him, and not fight with him in real life. Which would delay the game and thus the party would disperse and no more DnD. It is perhaps an adult-like idea that you might be able to solve in-game issues in-game, however it would be incorrect. You have to determine whether an issue is in-game or out-of-game. If it is obvious that your brother's behavior was a roleplaying thing, where his character tries to be in charge of everyone else and not just you, then maybe there would be an argument that this was an in-game issue that could be handled in-game. I still would recommend talking to the player rather than trying to handle that in-game though, as it is not just creating in-game problems, it is creating quality of fun issues for all other players. If it is clearly your brother being your brother, then it is an out of character issue, and all you would solve by "handling it" in-game would be to pollute the D&D game with your family problems and trouble the other players, and just make a possible escalation much more probable. Think of it this way: If you and your brother were playing with remote controlled cars, and your brother decided he just wanted to continually ram his car into yours while you were trying to do your own thing, would you solve the problem by ramming your car into his in retaliation? That would likely escalate the rammings until one or the other of you quit playing with RC cars. Do you get mad at your brother's car and take a sledgehammer to it? It would probably be better to just ask him to stop doing that, or pick up your car and go elsewhere. This is the same with D&D, except your ramming each other is interfering with all the other kids just trying to do their own thing. If the game was bumper cars, then you would be in the right to try and hit him back in retaliation, but the D&D game you were playing was a cooperative game and not a confrontational game.