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Help my DM took my Druid powers away [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Suzaku455
02-27-06, 03:19 AM My DM removed my drudic powers because I was teaching a child Drudic (language) who learning under me to become a Druid. The child was NPC control by the DM and was following me around for in game time of 2 years and showed no signs of not becoming druid.
JadeSpider9643
02-27-06, 03:24 AM well that's a close call, but I think the DM made the right call, sorry to say.

the proper way to do it would have been to wait until the child had gone thru the initation rituals and survived, THEN it would be ok to teach him druidic.

Most likly you're in for an atonement spell and a side quest.
Marvos
02-27-06, 03:24 AM Negotiate! Maybe there's something you can do to get your powers back. There could be some kind of quest you could go on to get some kind of memory-erasing potion. You probably should have waited until the kid was completely a druid before you taught the language. When in doubt, ask! I took my aasimar favored soul's powers away when he allowed a demon to res him. He got them back very soon with an atonement spell. You probably could too.
Suzaku455
02-27-06, 03:33 AM Opps I forgot to mention that DM said I could perform ritual by myself, I performed several rituals during role playing but because I didn't say none of them was in inanition ritual. The last ritual I performed I roleplayed out happened the day before I started teaching the child drudic. Because I never said it was the inanition ritual nor did I named the ritual, it wasn't the inanition ritual. The ritual involved several test such as suriving in the wild etc. Although the DM now gave me guide line for inanition ritual which he neglected to mention.
Leap_UK
02-27-06, 03:52 AM Did the DM point out that druidic is only taught after initiation (something your character would know)? If not, he's being an oik. If he did, well its a fair cop.

:)
Suzaku455
02-27-06, 07:03 PM Nope he never pointed that out
Black Knight Geno
02-27-06, 07:23 PM Then you get a reallyy big hammer, and with forceful application of your imagination, begin aggresive negotiations with the DM. Also, a repeating hammer gun makes a great backup weapon for said negotiation weapons.
JadeSpider9643
02-27-06, 07:26 PM He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities. To be a druid you have to go thru initiation rituals. If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid and any druid who teaches you druidic loses their druid abilities.

The only gray area here is weither or not the kid went thru the initation rituals. You put him thru some rituals, but you failed to make it clear that you were initating the child, so the DM is being perfectly reasonable to assume the child is a non-druid. Now if you can talk to the DM and explain that you were initating the child, then mabye you can work something out.

On a side note: since the initation rituals are described as being often fatal, (but with no specific details) I would be very surprised if a child could survive them, so I would advise NOT even putting the child thru them. Just take your atonement spell and side quest...you'll get some XP out of it.
JadeSpider9643
02-27-06, 07:29 PM Then you get a reallyy big hammer, and with forceful application of your imagination, begin aggresive negotiations with the DM. Also, a repeating hammer gun makes a great backup weapon for said negotiation weapons.
Geno, we like to save the hammer guns for situations involving the incredibly stupid that are unworthy of sentience. This is not such a situation, at best it's a miscommunication, at worst it's a bit of stubborness.
Feor
02-27-06, 07:43 PM I'd be a little upset that the DM didn't point this out when you first told him you'd be teaching the child Druidic. Knowing that you'd lose your powers for teaching a non-druid Druidic would be something your character would be expected to know, as would the nature of the initiation rituals, having gone through them yourself.

However, always looking on the bright side, if you really want to PO the DM, stick with it as a watered down fighter until you get enough XP to level, growing more and more morose about your loss of powers as you go, and then, with a burst of flame and the death of a number of your precious trees realize your new source of power as you take your first level of Blighter(from Complete Divine). :)
Suzaku455
02-27-06, 09:09 PM I hate my DM now, he told me in e-mail that I lost power since I taught the child druidic at the end of the session. Now he sends another e-mail saying he was joking about taking my powers but I still haven't performed the initiation.
Swarms
02-27-06, 09:45 PM Do what I did: become a blighter! Burning trees and killing random creatures! drop porpoises onto people from 20 feet above the ground!
Elbethamore
02-28-06, 03:47 PM So, did this really happen, or is it like this thread

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=594291
Suzaku455
02-28-06, 04:25 PM So, did this really happen, or is it like this thread

http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=594291

Do you see a "Btw joke topic" hidden in a different color?
Bruunwald
02-28-06, 05:08 PM He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities.

Well, yes he should, for two reasons.

One, I do not believe that it is in the PHB. Though I know the druids are said not to teach their language to outsiders, I don't think it says anything specific in there nor gives any details about the initiation into druidhood.

Second, it's knowledge the character undoubtedly would have, that he then informs the player with. Look, you don't know how to wield a big old spiked chain in combat, but your character does. Likewise, your character might know customs, standards, names, and yes, even rituals that you as a normal Earth-bound human being are not aware of.

A fair DM knows which of those things the player ought to keep in mind and which the character ought to know and reminds the player when the time comes. Since initiation is obviously the most important thing in this DM's druidic view, and since the character MUST have gone through said initiation himself, it is completely unreasonable for the DM to assume the character does not know about it, simply because the player does not.

The DM is wrong. Worse, it sounds like he was looking for an opportunity for a petty little game of Simon Says. "Ha ha! Caught you!" Sheesh. How hard would it have been to simply mention the initiation in the first place?
green_yawgmoth
02-28-06, 05:54 PM He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities.Show me where in the rules it says this. To be a druid you have to go thru initiation rituals. Show me where the rules say this. If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid and any druid who teaches you druidic loses their druid abilities.Again, show me where this is in the rules.

On a side note: since the initation rituals are described as being often fatal, (but with no specific details) I would be very surprised if a child could survive them, so I would advise NOT even putting the child thru them. Just take your atonement spell and side quest...you'll get some XP out of it.Where? Where are you getting all of these supposed rules and flavor text? Because it sure as hell isn't anything I've seen printed by WotC, and unless you're the DM for this game, you're just pulling things out of your ass.

This is a pretty obvious abuse of power by the DM. If druids are under some restrictions like that, your DM is obligated to tell you before the game starts, not after you break the "rule" he made up.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Shaggy_Shaggs
02-28-06, 06:04 PM Um...
Background: Though their organization is invisible to most outsiders, who consider druids to be loners, druids are actually part of a society that spans the land, ignoring political borders. A prospective druid is inducted into this society through secret rituals involving tests that not all survive.
Ex-Druids: A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies.

*looks down at the trail of similar posts* Wow, I actually won the init roll for once.
Elbethamore
02-28-06, 06:05 PM Show me where in the rules it says this.
PHB p. 37, bottom of the first column into the second column, under the heading ex-druids.
A druid who... teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities...
Do you see a "Btw joke topic" hidden in a different color?
I saw it. That's the point. You'll forgive my skepticism. If you don't treat us seriously (making a frivolous post) you can't expect us to take you seriously.

Not teaching Druidic to non-druids is one of the only real rules druids have. And it's one I never imagined coming up in actual play. It sounds like, though, you were under the impression this individual had become a druid, and it was safe to teach him. You should tell that to the DM. Although doing an atonement can be an interesting way to begin an adventure.
JadeSpider9643
02-28-06, 06:13 PM Show me where in the rules it says this. Show me where the rules say this. Again, show me where this is in the rules.

Where? Where are you getting all of these supposed rules and flavor text? Because it sure as hell isn't anything I've seen printed by WotC, and unless you're the DM for this game, you're just pulling things out of your ass.

This is a pretty obvious abuse of power by the DM. If druids are under some restrictions like that, your DM is obligated to tell you before the game starts, not after you break the "rule" he made up.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
PHB pg 37
Ex-Druids
A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a no druid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor and shield proficiences). She cannot thereafter gain levels as a druid until she atones (see the atonement spell description, page 201).
Teach druidic to a non druid and you lose your druid abilities.

PHB pg 33-34
Background
though their organization is invisible to most outsiders, who consider druids to be loners, druids are actually part of a society that spans the land, ignoring political borders. A prospective druid is inducted into this society through secret rituals involving tests that not all survive. Blah blah blah blah blah...
If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid. Granted this part is flavor and roleplay, but we ARE talking about a roleplaying situation here so it's relevant.

As near as I can tell from the OP there are no house rules involved here, just a miscommunication on weither the child had gone thru the initation rituals or not. The player MEANT to put him thru the rituals, but didn't make it clear to the DM, so the DM assumed he had not been thru the rituals and was therefore not yet a druid.
JadeSpider9643
02-28-06, 06:17 PM look at that, it was so clear that 2 people beat me to it.
green_yawgmoth
02-28-06, 09:33 PM look at that, it was so clear that 2 people beat me to it.
So clear that just about everyone else in this thread says that the DM was an ass for removing his powers without telling him he'll lose his druid powers. Guess it wasn't so clear after all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Elbethamore
02-28-06, 11:16 PM So clear that just about everyone else in this thread says that the DM was an ass for removing his powers without telling him he'll lose his druid powers. Guess it wasn't so clear after all.
The circumstances around the DM's ruling are unclear, no one disputes that.

The rule itself is stated in plain English in a source that anyone who plays the game ought to have access to. What's unclear about it? You asked where the PHB states a druid loses his powers if he teaches Druidic to non-druids. We showed you.
Suzaku455
03-01-06, 12:26 AM Although the DM says that Druid Apprentice needs to know druidic before going on their trail and doesn't want the child to go through the ritual just yet.
green_yawgmoth
03-01-06, 06:15 PM The circumstances around the DM's ruling are unclear, no one disputes that.

The rule itself is stated in plain English in a source that anyone who plays the game ought to have access to. What's unclear about it? You asked where the PHB states a druid loses his powers if he teaches Druidic to non-druids. We showed you.
I just didn't appreciate the snarky tone, and considering that it's something that I have never heard of being enforced or discussed in my 6 years of gaming and 4 years of posting on these boards, I do not consider it common knowledge.

http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
cypherx
03-02-06, 06:41 PM you were trying to influence a child to follow in the path of nature, trying to replinish the ranks of natures defenders, how noble!
ShadowDragon8685
03-02-06, 08:44 PM Guys, the OP keeps messaging me with his ideas. This thread is pure B.S. He is in no game where this has happened. He told me he was gonna post this lemon.

/me watches that statement be completely ineffective in stemming the tide of druidic controversy... Solves problem by casting an Epic Junglerazer that reduces all 'nature-y' plant-life to dust.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Suzaku455 02-27-06, 03:19 AM	My DM removed my drudic powers because I was teaching a child Drudic (language) who learning under me to become a Druid. The child was NPC control by the DM and was following me around for in game time of 2 years and showed no signs of not becoming druid.
JadeSpider9643 02-27-06, 03:24 AM	well that's a close call, but I think the DM made the right call, sorry to say. the proper way to do it would have been to wait until the child had gone thru the initation rituals and survived, THEN it would be ok to teach him druidic. Most likly you're in for an atonement spell and a side quest.
Marvos 02-27-06, 03:24 AM	Negotiate! Maybe there's something you can do to get your powers back. There could be some kind of quest you could go on to get some kind of memory-erasing potion. You probably should have waited until the kid was completely a druid before you taught the language. When in doubt, ask! I took my aasimar favored soul's powers away when he allowed a demon to res him. He got them back very soon with an atonement spell. You probably could too.
Suzaku455 02-27-06, 03:33 AM	Opps I forgot to mention that DM said I could perform ritual by myself, I performed several rituals during role playing but because I didn't say none of them was in inanition ritual. The last ritual I performed I roleplayed out happened the day before I started teaching the child drudic. Because I never said it was the inanition ritual nor did I named the ritual, it wasn't the inanition ritual. The ritual involved several test such as suriving in the wild etc. Although the DM now gave me guide line for inanition ritual which he neglected to mention.
Leap_UK 02-27-06, 03:52 AM	Did the DM point out that druidic is only taught after initiation (something your character would know)? If not, he's being an oik. If he did, well its a fair cop. :)
Suzaku455 02-27-06, 07:03 PM	Nope he never pointed that out
Black Knight Geno 02-27-06, 07:23 PM	Then you get a reallyy big hammer, and with forceful application of your imagination, begin aggresive negotiations with the DM. Also, a repeating hammer gun makes a great backup weapon for said negotiation weapons.
JadeSpider9643 02-27-06, 07:26 PM	He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities. To be a druid you have to go thru initiation rituals. If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid and any druid who teaches you druidic loses their druid abilities. The only gray area here is weither or not the kid went thru the initation rituals. You put him thru some rituals, but you failed to make it clear that you were initating the child, so the DM is being perfectly reasonable to assume the child is a non-druid. Now if you can talk to the DM and explain that you were initating the child, then mabye you can work something out. On a side note: since the initation rituals are described as being often fatal, (but with no specific details) I would be very surprised if a child could survive them, so I would advise NOT even putting the child thru them. Just take your atonement spell and side quest...you'll get some XP out of it.
JadeSpider9643 02-27-06, 07:29 PM	Then you get a reallyy big hammer, and with forceful application of your imagination, begin aggresive negotiations with the DM. Also, a repeating hammer gun makes a great backup weapon for said negotiation weapons. Geno, we like to save the hammer guns for situations involving the incredibly stupid that are unworthy of sentience. This is not such a situation, at best it's a miscommunication, at worst it's a bit of stubborness.
Feor 02-27-06, 07:43 PM	I'd be a little upset that the DM didn't point this out when you first told him you'd be teaching the child Druidic. Knowing that you'd lose your powers for teaching a non-druid Druidic would be something your character would be expected to know, as would the nature of the initiation rituals, having gone through them yourself. However, always looking on the bright side, if you really want to PO the DM, stick with it as a watered down fighter until you get enough XP to level, growing more and more morose about your loss of powers as you go, and then, with a burst of flame and the death of a number of your precious trees realize your new source of power as you take your first level of Blighter(from Complete Divine). :)
Suzaku455 02-27-06, 09:09 PM	I hate my DM now, he told me in e-mail that I lost power since I taught the child druidic at the end of the session. Now he sends another e-mail saying he was joking about taking my powers but I still haven't performed the initiation.
Swarms 02-27-06, 09:45 PM	Do what I did: become a blighter! Burning trees and killing random creatures! drop porpoises onto people from 20 feet above the ground!
Elbethamore 02-28-06, 03:47 PM	So, did this really happen, or is it like this thread http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=594291
Suzaku455 02-28-06, 04:25 PM	So, did this really happen, or is it like this thread http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=594291 Do you see a "Btw joke topic" hidden in a different color?
Bruunwald 02-28-06, 05:08 PM	He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities. Well, yes he should, for two reasons. One, I do not believe that it is in the PHB. Though I know the druids are said not to teach their language to outsiders, I don't think it says anything specific in there nor gives any details about the initiation into druidhood. Second, it's knowledge the character undoubtedly would have, that he then informs the player with. Look, you don't know how to wield a big old spiked chain in combat, but your character does. Likewise, your character might know customs, standards, names, and yes, even rituals that you as a normal Earth-bound human being are not aware of. A fair DM knows which of those things the player ought to keep in mind and which the character ought to know and reminds the player when the time comes. Since initiation is obviously the most important thing in this DM's druidic view, and since the character MUST have gone through said initiation himself, it is completely unreasonable for the DM to assume the character does not know about it, simply because the player does not. The DM is wrong. Worse, it sounds like he was looking for an opportunity for a petty little game of Simon Says. "Ha ha! Caught you!" Sheesh. How hard would it have been to simply mention the initiation in the first place?
green_yawgmoth 02-28-06, 05:54 PM	He shouldn't have to point it out. It's fairly simple, if you teach Druidic to a non-druid you lose your druid abilities.Show me where in the rules it says this. To be a druid you have to go thru initiation rituals. Show me where the rules say this. If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid and any druid who teaches you druidic loses their druid abilities.Again, show me where this is in the rules. On a side note: since the initation rituals are described as being often fatal, (but with no specific details) I would be very surprised if a child could survive them, so I would advise NOT even putting the child thru them. Just take your atonement spell and side quest...you'll get some XP out of it.Where? Where are you getting all of these supposed rules and flavor text? Because it sure as hell isn't anything I've seen printed by WotC, and unless you're the DM for this game, you're just pulling things out of your ass. This is a pretty obvious abuse of power by the DM. If druids are under some restrictions like that, your DM is obligated to tell you before the game starts, not after you break the "rule" he made up. http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Shaggy_Shaggs 02-28-06, 06:04 PM	Um... Background: Though their organization is invisible to most outsiders, who consider druids to be loners, druids are actually part of a society that spans the land, ignoring political borders. A prospective druid is inducted into this society through secret rituals involving tests that not all survive. Ex-Druids: A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor, and shield proficiencies. looks down at the trail of similar posts Wow, I actually won the init roll for once.
Elbethamore 02-28-06, 06:05 PM	Show me where in the rules it says this. PHB p. 37, bottom of the first column into the second column, under the heading ex-druids. A druid who... teaches the Druidic language to a nondruid loses all spells and druid abilities... Do you see a "Btw joke topic" hidden in a different color? I saw it. That's the point. You'll forgive my skepticism. If you don't treat us seriously (making a frivolous post) you can't expect us to take you seriously. Not teaching Druidic to non-druids is one of the only real rules druids have. And it's one I never imagined coming up in actual play. It sounds like, though, you were under the impression this individual had become a druid, and it was safe to teach him. You should tell that to the DM. Although doing an atonement can be an interesting way to begin an adventure.
JadeSpider9643 02-28-06, 06:13 PM	Show me where in the rules it says this. Show me where the rules say this. Again, show me where this is in the rules. Where? Where are you getting all of these supposed rules and flavor text? Because it sure as hell isn't anything I've seen printed by WotC, and unless you're the DM for this game, you're just pulling things out of your ass. This is a pretty obvious abuse of power by the DM. If druids are under some restrictions like that, your DM is obligated to tell you before the game starts, not after you break the "rule" he made up. http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif PHB pg 37 Ex-Druids A druid who ceases to revere nature, changes to a prohibited alignment, or teaches the Druidic language to a no druid loses all spells and druid abilities (including her animal companion, but not including weapon, armor and shield proficiences). She cannot thereafter gain levels as a druid until she atones (see the atonement spell description, page 201). Teach druidic to a non druid and you lose your druid abilities. PHB pg 33-34 Background though their organization is invisible to most outsiders, who consider druids to be loners, druids are actually part of a society that spans the land, ignoring political borders. A prospective druid is inducted into this society through secret rituals involving tests that not all survive. Blah blah blah blah blah... If you haven't gone thru the rituals then your not a druid. Granted this part is flavor and roleplay, but we ARE talking about a roleplaying situation here so it's relevant. As near as I can tell from the OP there are no house rules involved here, just a miscommunication on weither the child had gone thru the initation rituals or not. The player MEANT to put him thru the rituals, but didn't make it clear to the DM, so the DM assumed he had not been thru the rituals and was therefore not yet a druid.
JadeSpider9643 02-28-06, 06:17 PM	look at that, it was so clear that 2 people beat me to it.
green_yawgmoth 02-28-06, 09:33 PM	look at that, it was so clear that 2 people beat me to it. So clear that just about everyone else in this thread says that the DM was an ass for removing his powers without telling him he'll lose his druid powers. Guess it wasn't so clear after all. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
Elbethamore 02-28-06, 11:16 PM	So clear that just about everyone else in this thread says that the DM was an ass for removing his powers without telling him he'll lose his druid powers. Guess it wasn't so clear after all. The circumstances around the DM's ruling are unclear, no one disputes that. The rule itself is stated in plain English in a source that anyone who plays the game ought to have access to. What's unclear about it? You asked where the PHB states a druid loses his powers if he teaches Druidic to non-druids. We showed you.
Suzaku455 03-01-06, 12:26 AM	Although the DM says that Druid Apprentice needs to know druidic before going on their trail and doesn't want the child to go through the ritual just yet.
green_yawgmoth 03-01-06, 06:15 PM	The circumstances around the DM's ruling are unclear, no one disputes that. The rule itself is stated in plain English in a source that anyone who plays the game ought to have access to. What's unclear about it? You asked where the PHB states a druid loses his powers if he teaches Druidic to non-druids. We showed you. I just didn't appreciate the snarky tone, and considering that it's something that I have never heard of being enforced or discussed in my 6 years of gaming and 4 years of posting on these boards, I do not consider it common knowledge. http://www.photobucket.com/albums/v91/yawgmoth/kittyjig.gif
cypherx 03-02-06, 06:41 PM	you were trying to influence a child to follow in the path of nature, trying to replinish the ranks of natures defenders, how noble!
ShadowDragon8685 03-02-06, 08:44 PM	Guys, the OP keeps messaging me with his ideas. This thread is pure B.S. He is in no game where this has happened. He told me he was gonna post this lemon. /me watches that statement be completely ineffective in stemming the tide of druidic controversy... Solves problem by casting an Epic Junglerazer that reduces all 'nature-y' plant-life to dust.