How Would You Approach This? [Archive] - Wizards Community

How Would You Approach This? [Archive] - Wizards Community

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Oblix
01-15-07, 03:26 PM * 1 Extra feat at first level. (At the GM's option, players of human characters may use the Variant Rules described in "Humans by Region.")

The excerpt I am questioning reads as above. Does this imply that humans are able to have the +1 feat at first level on top of the variant human model, or that they may have the variant model in lieu of the +1 feat at first level.

I just want to make sure I present this properly to my GM with an understanding of the supposed mechanic.

This is directly off the GM screen which was provided to the players for character creation. But I don't believe there has been a variant human created in this campaign previously. ( I am joining an ongoing campaign.)

And btw, this is not WoTC material.
DarkNick
01-15-07, 06:07 PM What I would do is look under "Humans by region" and see what is says. Also it should be up to the DM seeing as it is at the GM's option, not you. Check with the other human characters - do what they did.

This is not about being a 'variant human'. It is a variant rule. I think what you will find is that if you use the variant rules, a human from a particular region might get some extra stuff on top of your standard starting gear and access to some regional feats.

If your not in a published world or don't have the source book or access to material regarding humans of a partiular region then you should simply ignore the bit in brackets.
interpretivechaos
01-15-07, 06:48 PM If its under the same header it might be ambigous, but else its clear they get the feat and then the GM may allow the other stuff.

This is consistent with how wizards handles Forgotten Realms, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were using the same idea.
Salla
01-16-07, 02:33 AM I read it like this:

At the GM's choice, all human characters either:
Get 2 feats at the player's discretion,

OR

One feat at the player's discretion and
one Regional Feat of the player's choice.

(Since this is an FR thing, I don't know much about it, but as you wrote it, that's what it says to me.)
Nytmare
01-16-07, 04:07 AM I'm assuming this is for a Scarred Lands campaign. What it's saying is that you can get 1 bonus feat for being human, just like normal OR instead of that bonus feat, you can use the "Humans by Region" rules to be from a specific place and get the +2/-2 to the corresponding attribute pair.
Oblix
01-16-07, 08:47 AM I'm assuming this is for a Scarred Lands campaign. What it's saying is that you can get 1 bonus feat for being human, just like normal OR instead of that bonus feat, you can use the "Humans by Region" rules to be from a specific place and get the +2/-2 to the corresponding attribute pair.

Yes, it is the Scarred Lands campaign, and thanks for the insight folks. I would have simply asked my GM, but he's been a bit preoccupied with life lately and hasn't answered emails. I was thinking it was more, in addition to the +1 feat you would also take on the aspects of your regional variant, see as you're just swapping +2 for -2 of another stat with no other changes that'd lead to an LA change.
Nytmare
01-16-07, 09:18 AM ...see as you're just swapping +2 for -2 of another stat with no other changes that'd lead to an LA change.

Er. Is that the DM's rule?
Oblix
01-16-07, 09:31 AM I may have been confusing on my wording of "swapping" which was not what I intended to convey.

More clearly stated: "I read the rule as a GM's discretion to give the racial variant of a +2/-2 depending on region, in addition to the +1 feat, seeing as the +2/-2 is the only change the racial variant makes. I don't see that this change, as it's simply swapping the original human template out by a +2/-2 change; which alters stats in an equal manner, would cause an LA."

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Oblix 01-15-07, 03:26 PM	* 1 Extra feat at first level. (At the GM's option, players of human characters may use the Variant Rules described in "Humans by Region.") The excerpt I am questioning reads as above. Does this imply that humans are able to have the +1 feat at first level on top of the variant human model, or that they may have the variant model in lieu of the +1 feat at first level. I just want to make sure I present this properly to my GM with an understanding of the supposed mechanic. This is directly off the GM screen which was provided to the players for character creation. But I don't believe there has been a variant human created in this campaign previously. ( I am joining an ongoing campaign.) And btw, this is not WoTC material.
DarkNick 01-15-07, 06:07 PM	What I would do is look under "Humans by region" and see what is says. Also it should be up to the DM seeing as it is at the GM's option, not you. Check with the other human characters - do what they did. This is not about being a 'variant human'. It is a variant rule. I think what you will find is that if you use the variant rules, a human from a particular region might get some extra stuff on top of your standard starting gear and access to some regional feats. If your not in a published world or don't have the source book or access to material regarding humans of a partiular region then you should simply ignore the bit in brackets.
interpretivechaos 01-15-07, 06:48 PM	If its under the same header it might be ambigous, but else its clear they get the feat and then the GM may allow the other stuff. This is consistent with how wizards handles Forgotten Realms, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were using the same idea.
Salla 01-16-07, 02:33 AM	I read it like this: At the GM's choice, all human characters either: Get 2 feats at the player's discretion, OR One feat at the player's discretion and one Regional Feat of the player's choice. (Since this is an FR thing, I don't know much about it, but as you wrote it, that's what it says to me.)
Nytmare 01-16-07, 04:07 AM	I'm assuming this is for a Scarred Lands campaign. What it's saying is that you can get 1 bonus feat for being human, just like normal OR instead of that bonus feat, you can use the "Humans by Region" rules to be from a specific place and get the +2/-2 to the corresponding attribute pair.
Oblix 01-16-07, 08:47 AM	I'm assuming this is for a Scarred Lands campaign. What it's saying is that you can get 1 bonus feat for being human, just like normal OR instead of that bonus feat, you can use the "Humans by Region" rules to be from a specific place and get the +2/-2 to the corresponding attribute pair. Yes, it is the Scarred Lands campaign, and thanks for the insight folks. I would have simply asked my GM, but he's been a bit preoccupied with life lately and hasn't answered emails. I was thinking it was more, in addition to the +1 feat you would also take on the aspects of your regional variant, see as you're just swapping +2 for -2 of another stat with no other changes that'd lead to an LA change.
Nytmare 01-16-07, 09:18 AM	...see as you're just swapping +2 for -2 of another stat with no other changes that'd lead to an LA change. Er. Is that the DM's rule?
Oblix 01-16-07, 09:31 AM	I may have been confusing on my wording of "swapping" which was not what I intended to convey. More clearly stated: "I read the rule as a GM's discretion to give the racial variant of a +2/-2 depending on region, in addition to the +1 feat, seeing as the +2/-2 is the only change the racial variant makes. I don't see that this change, as it's simply swapping the original human template out by a +2/-2 change; which alters stats in an equal manner, would cause an LA."