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sosu_and_silo
04-20-05, 10:51 AM i am new but i think our dm is being a little bit rough on us yesterday he made a 6' 2'' 235 lbs half-orc roll a grapple check to pin down a 2'5'' 34 lbs kobold and when he rolled an 18 HE got slammed to the ground on his back
then a dwarf tried the same thing from behind giveing him a bonus but when he rolled a 17 he got kicked in the nuts and was stunned for 1 round
so the drow tried the same thing and after rolling 19 got kicked in the face so hard he fell on his back

also when this 320 year old drow tried to do a tumbleing backflip over another kobold and then call shot the back of the neck what rolls are nessecry to make sure that happens i understand he is at a minus to hit because of call shot but should he have to roll for the tumble and backflip that is what elves do and at 320 he has some expience at it

any help would be thanked
TheDarknessWithin
04-20-05, 10:58 AM i am new but i think our dm is being a little bit rough on us yesterday he made a 6' 2'' 235 lbs half-orc roll a grapple check to pin down a 2'5'' 34 lbs kobold and when he rolled an 18 HE got slammed to the ground on his back
then a dwarf tried the same thing from behind giveing him a bonus but when he rolled a 17 he got kicked in the nuts and was stunned for 1 round
so the drow tried the same thing and after rolling 19 got kicked in the face so hard he fell on his back

also when this 320 year old drow tried to do a tumbleing backflip over another kobold and then call shot the back of the neck what rolls are nessecry to make sure that happens i understand he is at a minus to hit because of call shot but should he have to roll for the tumble and backflip that is what elves do and at 320 he has some expience at it

any help would be thanked

To answer your first question, whether or not you grapple somebody really relies on opposed grapple checks. Participants get size bonuses for being any size bigger than medium and penalities for being anyhting smaller than medium. As far as the rough dm thing goes, I don't really know anyhting other that the kobold had an incredibly high grapple check for some reason or the dm was cheating....

As for the backflip thing, you would probably need to make a jump check with a bonus for a running start and then make an attack roll to hit the kobold. I really don't think you would need to roll for tumble considering you're not really tumbling but more or less just doing air acrobatics.
Gargs454
04-20-05, 11:28 AM Its possible that the kobold had improved grapple which would even out the size differences on the grapple check. Additionally, IIRC, attempting a grapple provokes an AoO, so the kobold would get a free attack when the characters tried to grapple him. Now, typically though you can only make one AoO per round, unless you have Combat Reflexes.

It sounds as though your DM might be playing a little fast and loose with the rules (the stun in particular is a bit of an eyebrow raiser) and normally a succesful attack would not knock an opponent down. So either this kobold was a fairly high level, or the DM was being a little loose with the rules, or the kobold was scoring a lot of crits.

But, all that being said, it certainly is possible that the kobold was able to defeat the grapple attempts. As for the aimed shot at the neck of the kobold, in 3.0/3.5 there are no called shots so to speak, so it would have needed to been a house rule on the part of the DM.

The backflip by the drow would have required a jump check since he was attempting to jump over the kobold. The DC would be about ten since the kobold was roughly 2.5 feet tall. Trying to do it as a backflip might incur a penalty of some sort as opposed to having a running start.

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sosu_and_silo 04-20-05, 10:51 AM	i am new but i think our dm is being a little bit rough on us yesterday he made a 6' 2'' 235 lbs half-orc roll a grapple check to pin down a 2'5'' 34 lbs kobold and when he rolled an 18 HE got slammed to the ground on his back then a dwarf tried the same thing from behind giveing him a bonus but when he rolled a 17 he got kicked in the nuts and was stunned for 1 round so the drow tried the same thing and after rolling 19 got kicked in the face so hard he fell on his back also when this 320 year old drow tried to do a tumbleing backflip over another kobold and then call shot the back of the neck what rolls are nessecry to make sure that happens i understand he is at a minus to hit because of call shot but should he have to roll for the tumble and backflip that is what elves do and at 320 he has some expience at it any help would be thanked
TheDarknessWithin 04-20-05, 10:58 AM	i am new but i think our dm is being a little bit rough on us yesterday he made a 6' 2'' 235 lbs half-orc roll a grapple check to pin down a 2'5'' 34 lbs kobold and when he rolled an 18 HE got slammed to the ground on his back then a dwarf tried the same thing from behind giveing him a bonus but when he rolled a 17 he got kicked in the nuts and was stunned for 1 round so the drow tried the same thing and after rolling 19 got kicked in the face so hard he fell on his back also when this 320 year old drow tried to do a tumbleing backflip over another kobold and then call shot the back of the neck what rolls are nessecry to make sure that happens i understand he is at a minus to hit because of call shot but should he have to roll for the tumble and backflip that is what elves do and at 320 he has some expience at it any help would be thanked To answer your first question, whether or not you grapple somebody really relies on opposed grapple checks. Participants get size bonuses for being any size bigger than medium and penalities for being anyhting smaller than medium. As far as the rough dm thing goes, I don't really know anyhting other that the kobold had an incredibly high grapple check for some reason or the dm was cheating.... As for the backflip thing, you would probably need to make a jump check with a bonus for a running start and then make an attack roll to hit the kobold. I really don't think you would need to roll for tumble considering you're not really tumbling but more or less just doing air acrobatics.
Gargs454 04-20-05, 11:28 AM	Its possible that the kobold had improved grapple which would even out the size differences on the grapple check. Additionally, IIRC, attempting a grapple provokes an AoO, so the kobold would get a free attack when the characters tried to grapple him. Now, typically though you can only make one AoO per round, unless you have Combat Reflexes. It sounds as though your DM might be playing a little fast and loose with the rules (the stun in particular is a bit of an eyebrow raiser) and normally a succesful attack would not knock an opponent down. So either this kobold was a fairly high level, or the DM was being a little loose with the rules, or the kobold was scoring a lot of crits. But, all that being said, it certainly is possible that the kobold was able to defeat the grapple attempts. As for the aimed shot at the neck of the kobold, in 3.0/3.5 there are no called shots so to speak, so it would have needed to been a house rule on the part of the DM. The backflip by the drow would have required a jump check since he was attempting to jump over the kobold. The DC would be about ten since the kobold was roughly 2.5 feet tall. Trying to do it as a backflip might incur a penalty of some sort as opposed to having a running start.