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| adamoforegon01-14-08, 01:16 PM | Let's say I want to create an elf rogue who grew up with dragons. Like was adopted by them. I speak Draconic and I have knowledge (dragons). What would be a legal way to have a dragon as a pet? What level would I need to be? Is the Leadership feat the only way? Can I use Animal Handling? Could I just "have" a dragon as a pet, like a riding dog? Thanks. Lilliana |
| Rederik01-14-08, 01:22 PM | I think what you want is out of the Dracinomicon. There is a feat called "Dragon Cohort." This feat acts very similar to Leadership, except for dragons. Also, the knowledge would Arcana for dragon knowledge. Other then that, GL and have fun! |
| The_Shaman01-14-08, 01:24 PM | Let's say I want to create an elf rogue who grew up with dragons. Like was adopted by them. I speak Draconic and I have knowledge (dragons). What would be a legal way to have a dragon as a pet? What level would I need to be? Is the Leadership feat the only way? Can I use Animal Handling? Could I just "have" a dragon as a pet, like a riding dog? Thanks. Lilliana Hmm, a dragon can never, and should never, be a "pet." Even a pseudodragon is unlikely to just be a creature that follows you around and lives at your whims. For a dragon, that is beyond offensive. S/he may be your ally, mentor or friend, but never anything less - it knows that it is a superior creature, after all. Also, given its intelligence, handle animal just won't work. It's intelligent, so you should use diplomacy to reason with it (or bluff or intimidate, but both are a bit tricky) Anyway, check the Draconomicon. Apart from a variant of leadership that allows you to get stronger draconic cohorts, it has options for dragons as paladin/blackguard (and I suppose also Holy Liberator) "mounts" and familiars. I'd say that a cohort is probably the best option in your case, although you'd have to wait a lot to get it until you get a pseudodragon or some such. |
| Heros_Backpack01-14-08, 01:35 PM | You can have a pseudodragon as an Improved Familiar at 7th level. |
| Avoraciopoctules01-14-08, 02:43 PM | Let's say I want to create an elf rogue who grew up with dragons. Like was adopted by them. I speak Draconic and I have knowledge (dragons). 1. What would be a legal way to have a dragon as a pet? 2. What level would I need to be? 3. Is the Leadership feat the only way? 4. Can I use Animal Handling? 5. Could I just "have" a dragon as a pet, like a riding dog? Thanks. Lilliana 1. It depends on the laws in the region. Ask your DM about it. 2. It depends on the type and age of the dragon. 3. If you want a draconic ally or companion there many ways you could acquire one through both roleplay and character abilities. A "pet" would be much more difficult to get in most campaign settings. The closest thing I can think of are the dragon highlords in the Dragonlance setting, but I don't know the details. Ask your DM. 4. The Arms and Equipment Guide has rules for it, but it's both difficult and time-consuming. You'd need to raise it from birth and expose it to no type of life other than that of a servitor. You would probably need access to Diplomacy as well, and would likely be dead of old age before you could use it for much. Don't let other dragons find out, they'll be upset. 5. It depends on the whims of your DM. You could tell him that in your downtime you look for a ranger who has trained dragons to sell. If you're lucky enough to find one, expect to part with tens if not hundreds of thousands of gold pieces in exchange for one. Frost giants take white dragons (stupidest, and thus easier to outwit.) as slaves, but it would be hard to negotiate well with CE dealers and dragons. I recommend attempting to get dragons as friends or allies instead. |
| Lincoln Hills01-14-08, 03:16 PM | Let's say I want to create an elf rogue who... was adopted by them... What would be a legal way to have a dragon as a pet?... You've got it almost backwards there. Even the good-aligned dragons have such monumental egos, that it was probably you who was considered the 'pet'. Clever monkey, lookit, she's holding something in her paws! She thinks she's people - that's so cute! ;) Anyway, on to some actual advice. Maximize Diplomacy (you already recognized the other key skill, dragonlore) and make it clear to the DM that you're on the lookout for a dragon ally. Make it known to any friendly dragons you encounter that you're willing to teach hatchlings about humanoid culture, and don't be too disappointed if nobody takes you up on it very soon - remember, your elf and the dragons both think in terms of "this decade" when making career decisions like that. Oh, and your character would probably despise "dragonscale" armor - I know it fits your motif, but to your adopted culture that's like wearing a human skin and expecting people to just ignore it. (By the way, for hilarious results, cast resurrection on the next suit of dragonscale armor you see. No, really. It's great.) |
| DrMorganes01-14-08, 03:23 PM | Even the dragon highlords were not so arrogant as to consider their partners as "pets". "Legal" I am assuming means "by the rules", in which case the Dragon Cohort feat from Draconomicon is one. Dragonic familiars are available to higher-level arcanists. In most cases the dragons in question tend to be hatchlings or wyrmlings. Speaking as a DM, I have nothing against a player stating that his PC was raised by dragons - unless he thinks that background statement entitles him to special abilities over and above what his character level and feat selection would allow. For example: Draconic is on the list of bonus languages available to elves. As long as your INT is 12 or better, you can know draconic at the start of the game, in addition to elvish and common, at no cost in skill points. Otherwise you'll need to spend 2 skill points to learn it. Depending on the rest of the back story, you might ask your DM to allow you to start with draconic and common as your starting languages instead of elvish and common - but that would be entirely up to him as a house rule. However, simply being raised by dragons doesn't necessarily mean that you know a lot about dragons. You can always make a Knowledge Check untrained, but you'd only know the common stuff (DC 10). To know more you need ranks in Knowledge (Arcana). This is still a cross-class skill for rogues. You can have ranks in it if you choose, but you'll have to spend 2 skill points per rank. You could take the Educated feat (I believe it's Level 1 only) and add all Knowledge skills to your class skill list. Knowledge (Arcana) would then advance as a class skill: 1 rank for 1 skill point. |
| CelineSSauve01-14-08, 06:00 PM | You've got it almost backwards there. Even the good-aligned dragons have such monumental egos, that it was probably you who was considered the 'pet'. Clever monkey, lookit, she's holding something in her paws! She thinks she's people - that's so cute! ;) Quoted for truth and hilarity. You can always make a Knowledge Check untrained, but you'd only know the common stuff (DC 10). Is that a house rule? I'd always been under the impressions (mainly through 3eprofiler) that Knowledge Skills could not be used untrained. |
| DrMorganes01-14-08, 06:12 PM | Is that a house rule? I'd always been under the impressions (mainly through 3eprofiler) that Knowledge Skills could not be used untrained. Nope (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm). An untrained Knowledge check is simply an Intelligence check. Without actual training, you know only common knowledge (DC 10 or lower). |
| Avoraciopoctules01-14-08, 06:26 PM | Even the dragon highlords were not so arrogant as to consider their partners as "pets". "Legal" I am assuming means "by the rules", in which case the Dragon Cohort feat from Draconomicon is one. Dragonic familiars are available to higher-level arcanists. In most cases the dragons in question tend to be hatchlings or wyrmlings. Speaking as a DM, I have nothing against a player stating that his PC was raised by dragons - unless he thinks that background statement entitles him to special abilities over and above what his character level and feat selection would allow. For example: Draconic is on the list of bonus languages available to elves. As long as your INT is 12 or better, you can know draconic at the start of the game, in addition to elvish and common, at no cost in skill points. Otherwise you'll need to spend 2 skill points to learn it. Depending on the rest of the back story, you might ask your DM to allow you to start with draconic and common as your starting languages instead of elvish and common - but that would be entirely up to him as a house rule. However, simply being raised by dragons doesn't necessarily mean that you know a lot about dragons. You can always make a Knowledge Check untrained, but you'd only know the common stuff (DC 10). To know more you need ranks in Knowledge (Arcana). This is still a cross-class skill for rogues. You can have ranks in it if you choose, but you'll have to spend 2 skill points per rank. You could take the Educated feat (I believe it's Level 1 only) and add all Knowledge skills to your class skill list. Knowledge (Arcana) would then advance as a class skill: 1 rank for 1 skill point. Some dragon highlords were really stupid. I think Lord Toede was technically a dragon highlord (he had a dragon), and if they scale down that much I figure at least a couple more idiots of roughly the same level existed. However, when you consider the fact that many chromatic dragons slaughtered their affiliated troops and lords at the end of war it becomes quite apparent that such attitudes aren't very conductive to one's long-term survival. On another note, I think I figured out a decent plan one could follow if one wanted something vaguely approximating a draconic pet. Since some mated pairs of metallic dragons foster wyrmlings with humanoids, if the PC in question performed missions for (and probably gave tribute to) metallic dragons he/she might receive the "honor" of serving as a foster parent at some point after proving trustworthy. If such a prospect were mentioned to me as a DM early in the game, I'd probably give the PC an opportunity to raise a wyrmling at levels 9+, but not require a feat. At that point, the PC is significantly more powerful than the wyrmling and is (hopefully) more likely think of it as something to be cherished and protected than to view it as a tool. Any advantages gained from it would likely be offset by the costs in time and treasure expended raising it. |
| Fatalis_90201-15-08, 06:37 AM | There's a PrC in Draconimicon called the Dracolyte, it's a divine caster class meant for clerics of draconic deities, and they get a wyrmling to watch over. That's one way to get a dragon companion. |
| CelineSSauve01-15-08, 05:11 PM | Nope (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/knowledge.htm). Oops. I would seem I have the Giant's alternate Knowledge rules in mind. :rolleyes: Thanks for clearing that up. I'll certainly keep that in mind, though most of my DMs seem to go by the "Ranks or no roll" policy. |
| hennebeck01-15-08, 08:25 PM | Hmm, Now let's figure out how to have a Great Wyrm as a pet. |
| Rood_Inverse01-16-08, 11:03 PM | You were raised by a dragon. And now you want one as a pet? Just to be hyper-inflammatory, tongue-in-cheek, and establish a potential strawman golem, let's set up a hypothetical.. It's 1864, and you're the white orphan of a plantation family burned out of their land by Sherman's March. You are taken by the freed black slaves and raised to this now-freed, sharecropping family. When you've been raised by them and finally reached your age of majority, you ask to have your own black slave, as a "companion" or "cohort." Do you *REALLY* think this is going to fly with your adoptive family? |
| Derren S.01-17-08, 05:56 AM | 1. As a rogue your options are limited. If you want a real dragon as comapnion you need the Draconic Cohort feat (leadership also works). 2. Depends on the dragon. The more powerful it is the higehr you need to be 3. If you are a rogue then yes. 4. No. 5. Not by the rules. Ask your DM. generally dragons are not pets. They are too smart and to egoistic for that. maybe a white wyrmling can be treated as a pet because of its low intelligence but every other dragon will rebell when treated this way. If it doesn't have to be a real dragon but dragon like creature you can take the Dragon Steed (Draconomicon) or Drakken Steed (Dragon Magic I think) feat which give you a draconic horse replacment. |
| Firaeki01-17-08, 12:19 PM | (By the way, for hilarious results, cast resurrection on the next suit of dragonscale armor you see. No, really. It's great.) Quoted, :cookie:'d and sigged. |
| Crixon01-17-08, 12:37 PM | Sigh,please dont refer to Dragons as "pets" they tend not to like it and tend to get quiet upset with you doing that ... you dont tend to live long past that eather ... just some helpfull advice,and also what happens when you cast resurrection on a suit of dragonscale? Does it bring back the Dragon from death,more to the point what happens to whoever is wearing it ... |
| nowiwantmydmg01-17-08, 02:33 PM | If you were a high enough level character I would totally allow it as an animal companion, I don't see why a ranger/druid couldn't have one as a friend. (Yes rules lawyers I know a dragon is not an "animal") |
| Crixon01-17-08, 02:40 PM | Ya that would be cool, my elf ninja had a Silver Dragon for a friend but was killed in battle, (happened in backstory before i joined the crew of a pirate ship .... be best if you dont ask, Pirate Ninja!) |
| BoringInfoGuy01-18-08, 03:28 AM | Ya that would be cool, my elf ninja had a Silver Dragon for a friend but was killed in battle, (happened in backstory before i joined the crew of a pirate ship .... be best if you dont ask, Pirate Ninja!) By any chance, were you ever forced to eat your character sheet? More on topic, I knew a small crystal dragon hatchling named Shard that traveled with a group of humanoid adventurers for a time. He tended to sit on the shoulder of the elven wizard. The wizard liked to claim that Shard was his familiar. Shard, being a wizard himself, like to make the same claim about the elf. |
| The_Shaman01-18-08, 06:21 AM | Yeah, I've thought about that myself - a brass wyrmling who had a human adventuress as a pet/mount. I thought if I could expand it into a parody story of that "Pimp my ride" show, but I decided it's too much bother. |