I was swallowed..... [Archive] - Wizards Community

I was swallowed..... [Archive] - Wizards Community

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treebouncer
05-31-07, 11:38 AM We ended the game at the end of our inititive order because it was just getting to late. Im a gnome druid/MMF with the ability to wild shape into large creatures. Since the creatures stomach can technically only hold one medium sized creature or 2 small etc etc. could i wildshade into a large creature and basically get out as its stomach rips? Wasnt sure on the exact ruling of this.
Apupunchau
05-31-07, 11:46 AM Even if there wasn't a ruling as a DM I'd figure something out as that is an innovative use of your powers. Might I suggest something large with claws so you could assist in the tearing out of the things insides.
Vrael
05-31-07, 11:47 AM No, you can't. If the space you're in can't hold what your polymorphing/wildshaping into, you can't polymorph/wildshape.
ShubNiggurath
05-31-07, 12:27 PM .....lucky you!
Cariyaga
05-31-07, 06:07 PM Don't tell your DM that. And besides, a stomach is very strechy. I would know. Also, the stomach itself would rip before it stopped growth.
mlund
05-31-07, 07:00 PM The simplest way to deal with something like Enlarge Person making someone too big for a stomach is to have the monster regurgitate the expanding character.

There are other solutions that can be fun, but that's the simplest one that simply corrects the problem of an over-sized stomach occupant without changing any other balance or game mechanics issues.

- Marty Lund
maharai23
05-31-07, 07:06 PM That's a decent idea, but typically it's actually safer to remain in the stomach in the case of several monsters. Generally, the creature's damage output is higher outside than in.

Agreed earlier, one of the balances to shape-changing effects is that if the space can't hold the new shape/size, then it can't be changed into. To defeat that is to unbalance an already incredibly powerful mechanic. Better to find a good medium or small critter with good natural attacks, such as a black bear or the like... chew out of the stomach, and surprise the critter. Likely it won't do THAT again.
Thecolorblue
06-01-07, 03:47 AM Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit.
maharai23
06-01-07, 02:17 PM Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit.

It's a pretty standard generic across the board ruling used for whenever one thing is moving into another by magical size changing.... it's why you can't hole your hand out and activate your glove of storing to impale someone's head with the sword in it. If there's available space, something shunts. If not, the effect fails.
mlund
06-01-07, 02:19 PM Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit.

Enlarge person actually has rules for a bursting any confines restricting the expansion of the subject.

If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process.

I don't think Strength Break DCs were intended for the insides of monsters, however.

Like I said, regurgitation is often the simplest way to keep the game moving along without compromising too many mechanics.

- Marty Lund
fatal error
06-01-07, 03:36 PM Whatever you do, don't follow this advice:
Don't tell your DM that (that there might be rules against wild shaping into a bigger creature inside the stomach).

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
treebouncer 05-31-07, 11:38 AM	We ended the game at the end of our inititive order because it was just getting to late. Im a gnome druid/MMF with the ability to wild shape into large creatures. Since the creatures stomach can technically only hold one medium sized creature or 2 small etc etc. could i wildshade into a large creature and basically get out as its stomach rips? Wasnt sure on the exact ruling of this.
Apupunchau 05-31-07, 11:46 AM	Even if there wasn't a ruling as a DM I'd figure something out as that is an innovative use of your powers. Might I suggest something large with claws so you could assist in the tearing out of the things insides.
Vrael 05-31-07, 11:47 AM	No, you can't. If the space you're in can't hold what your polymorphing/wildshaping into, you can't polymorph/wildshape.
ShubNiggurath 05-31-07, 12:27 PM	.....lucky you!
Cariyaga 05-31-07, 06:07 PM	Don't tell your DM that. And besides, a stomach is very strechy. I would know. Also, the stomach itself would rip before it stopped growth.
mlund 05-31-07, 07:00 PM	The simplest way to deal with something like Enlarge Person making someone too big for a stomach is to have the monster regurgitate the expanding character. There are other solutions that can be fun, but that's the simplest one that simply corrects the problem of an over-sized stomach occupant without changing any other balance or game mechanics issues. - Marty Lund
maharai23 05-31-07, 07:06 PM	That's a decent idea, but typically it's actually safer to remain in the stomach in the case of several monsters. Generally, the creature's damage output is higher outside than in. Agreed earlier, one of the balances to shape-changing effects is that if the space can't hold the new shape/size, then it can't be changed into. To defeat that is to unbalance an already incredibly powerful mechanic. Better to find a good medium or small critter with good natural attacks, such as a black bear or the like... chew out of the stomach, and surprise the critter. Likely it won't do THAT again.
Thecolorblue 06-01-07, 03:47 AM	Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit.
maharai23 06-01-07, 02:17 PM	Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit. It's a pretty standard generic across the board ruling used for whenever one thing is moving into another by magical size changing.... it's why you can't hole your hand out and activate your glove of storing to impale someone's head with the sword in it. If there's available space, something shunts. If not, the effect fails.
mlund 06-01-07, 02:19 PM	Actually, per the spell description on both Alter Self, and Polymorph, it doesn't say anything about not being able to fit. However, Enlarge Person lets you make a strength check to push adjacent characters out of the way so you can fill your new size. You might want to run it by the DM and see if you can push your way out or even just stretch the insides enough for you to fit. Enlarge person actually has rules for a bursting any confines restricting the expansion of the subject. If insufficient room is available for the desired growth, the creature attains the maximum possible size and may make a Strength check (using its increased Strength) to burst any enclosures in the process. I don't think Strength Break DCs were intended for the insides of monsters, however. Like I said, regurgitation is often the simplest way to keep the game moving along without compromising too many mechanics. - Marty Lund
fatal error 06-01-07, 03:36 PM	Whatever you do, don't follow this advice: Don't tell your DM that (that there might be rules against wild shaping into a bigger creature inside the stomach).