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Post/Author/DateTime Post
Tharivol_Nailo
12-24-06, 06:29 PM My character has become immune to acid as a result from a combination of an item/spell. Does this mean that he cant be digested as well?
mato_hibiki
12-24-06, 07:26 PM As I've said many times before, waaay back, start since I first played AD&D second edition.

"Sure, you can survive being eaten by a dragon, but would you really want to?"

This was later added when people kept asking me why I said that.

"Because, there're two ways in and out of a dragon, and chances are, you're not getting out the same way you came in."

So, in summery, if you're ever eaten by a dragon, either teleport out, or kill yourself, quickly.
albinomonkeyking
12-24-06, 07:29 PM My character has become immune to acid as a result from a combination of an item/spell. Does this mean that he cant be digested as well?

Because, there're two ways in and out of a dragon, and chances are, you're not getting out the same way you came in."

I see what you did there.
Raxmei
12-24-06, 07:33 PM He won't take acid damage but he will still be vulnerable to suffocation.
KurenaiYami
12-24-06, 07:40 PM And the bludgeoning damage from the gullet.
Toloran
12-24-06, 08:28 PM Also, if you read Dragonomicon, you find that dragons stomachs do not have any acid in them. Basically, they have what amounts to supernatural/magic/spell-like stuff that grinds things down into their base molecules (which is why most of them can survive off of just eating metal).
Tharivol_Nailo
12-24-06, 08:55 PM Thank you. Just to clear this up, would I be able to swim in acid just like water? Minus the fact of my gear melting.
runestar
12-24-06, 10:13 PM Alternatively, you could run into a dragon who happens to enjoy chewing his prey to mush before swallowing...;)
Mitchell
12-24-06, 10:19 PM Assuming that the acid has the same density of water, then sure.
Of course, I'm no physics major but I'm sure that most people will assume that the swim skill will work the same in any liquid environment, though lava and the like may be a bit different.
Toloran
12-25-06, 06:00 PM Assuming that the acid has the same density of water, then sure.
Of course, I'm no physics major but I'm sure that most people will assume that the swim skill will work the same in any liquid environment, though lava and the like may be a bit different.
You can basically swim (not easily mind you) in just about any liquid that is more dense then you are. In other words, the mass of the amount of liquid you displace is equal or greater then you are (and thus, you can float). So barring fire damage, you could swim in molten lava. Same thing with acid (since acid is just water with various molecules disolved in it).
Tharivol_Nailo
12-25-06, 08:30 PM Cool. I like this gift already. It came in handy when I fought a black dragon.
Ryusage
12-25-06, 08:40 PM You can basically swim (not easily mind you) in just about any liquid that is more dense then you are. In other words, the mass of the amount of liquid you displace is equal or greater then you are (and thus, you can float).
Wait a sec... So you cannot swim in any liquid (or do u mean fluid) less dense than yourself? One would think that if you spread yourself out your could manage just a bit less dense.
KurenaiYami
12-25-06, 09:12 PM Density doesn't have as much to do with it, except in extreme cases. If it's in the liquid state and it's an element that naturally occurs, you'll be able to swim in it.

Water isn't more dense than a lean person, that's why they sink. If you get somebody with a fair amount of fat on them, it is less dense, and they float.
Tharivol_Nailo
12-26-06, 03:32 PM Very true.
AZNsupermarket
12-26-06, 04:34 PM I remember this one campaign where we were looking over some drow corpses and a player found a vial of acid.

PC: Acid, Eh? The drow must have been drug dealers... :plotting:

DM: Huh? :uh-huh:

PC: My characters drinks the acid. :w00t:

DM: WHAT!?!?!? :OMG!

PC: Did the acid make my character seeing crazy hallucinations? :dancin:

DM: What kind of acid did you think the drow had? :nonono:

Luckily for the PC, the DM was a good sport and allowed his character to go on an acid trip... :cool:
High Octane
12-26-06, 06:26 PM Luckily for the PC, the DM was a good sport and allowed his character to go on an acid trip... :cool:

Did it end in Elysium? Cause it should have.

Unless the character was evil of course.

Yeah you can swim in acid if you wanted, similarly to a fire immune creature can swim in lava.

Doesnt make it a very good idea.
AZNsupermarket
12-26-06, 06:38 PM Did it end in Elysium? Cause it should have.

Unless the character was evil of course.

Nope, the DM liked the idea so much that he decided that the drow were drug dealers and they were carrying psychedelic drugs. Go figure...
Nibbler
12-26-06, 09:46 PM Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed!
High Octane
12-27-06, 01:05 PM Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed!

Erm....... Im pretty sure immunity to acid would cover that.
Tharivol_Nailo
12-27-06, 01:15 PM Ok thanks for all the help.
trapspringer
12-28-06, 11:24 PM But as mentioned before, dragons can metabolize basically anything.
Toloran
12-28-06, 11:43 PM Density doesn't have as much to do with it, except in extreme cases. If it's in the liquid state and it's an element that naturally occurs, you'll be able to swim in it.

Water isn't more dense than a lean person, that's why they sink. If you get somebody with a fair amount of fat on them, it is less dense, and they float.
Heh, I was refering to floating rather then swimming, which is slightly different :3 My mistake.
Sphyre
12-29-06, 06:53 PM He won't take acid damage but he will still be vulnerable to suffocation.

And the bludgeoning damage from the gullet.

Yes, these both could kill you. And as soon as you cease to be living, in D&D you become an object and most likely would no longer have immunity to acid, and would be quite easy to digest. If you had immunity to acid, sufficiently high DR and did not have to breathe, then yes, you could be quite uncomfortable while the digestive system is attempting to kill you and break you down into smaller parts. Keep in mind though, that you need all 3 otherwise you're still vulnerable to dying, simply 1 or 2 will only prolong your death.

Thank you. Just to clear this up, would I be able to swim in acid just like water? Minus the fact of my gear melting.

Your gear, according to D&D terms, are attended objects. Thus they are not subject to being attacked until you were to die. Short of some kind of "Digestive Sunder" feat or ability, at least, which would make sense for creatures with the Swallow Whole ability.
Fatalis_902
12-30-06, 08:11 AM Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed!

Erm....... Im pretty sure immunity to acid would cover that.

Actually, just being able to drop something like a cold or fire energy burst would denature the proteins unto the point of not being usable. Alternatively, you could pour a ****-load of bleach in the acid, changng the pH and screwing with the proteins even more.
Nibbler
12-30-06, 10:15 AM Heat I'll give you. Cold I'm not so sure about. I don't necessarily this that would effect the tertiery structure of the proteins. The problem is the peristalisis. Sure you zap the enzymes is one section. As the dragon's intestine pushes you along though, you're in a whole new region with new enzymes. So the questions are:
1) Do you get moved along at a speed that overcomes the radius of your spell and
2) How long does it take to pass though the dragon's digestive system (though you're probably safe once you hit the large intestine)?
GSonic7
12-30-06, 10:45 AM Don't try swimming in anti-water.

;)
Tharivol_Nailo
12-30-06, 11:16 AM ok thanks for all the help. I have what i need.
Fatalis_902
12-30-06, 11:29 AM Heat I'll give you. Cold I'm not so sure about. I don't necessarily this that would effect the tertiery structure of the proteins. The problem is the peristalisis. Sure you zap the enzymes is one section. As the dragon's intestine pushes you along though, you're in a whole new region with new enzymes. So the questions are:
1) Do you get moved along at a speed that overcomes the radius of your spell and
2) How long does it take to pass though the dragon's digestive system (though you're probably safe once you hit the large intestine)?

I'm in AP Bio, and we just went over this. I'll explain it quickly. Enzymes are proteins that are designed to catalyze, or speed up, reactions. They have a limited temperature and pH range to function well in, and if the temp rises above or drops below that range, the protein denatures, or changes its shape, and ceases to function properly. Also, it doesn't matter how fast you move through, as you can just re-manifest the Energy Burst.
Nibbler
12-30-06, 01:49 PM While it's true that cold temperatures can decrease an enzyme's activity, it does not necessarily denature the tertiary structure. Heat, on the other hand, can break the ionic and covalent bonds that keep the protein's shape. Thus a fire energy burst could permenantly denature enzymes while a cold blast effect would only be temporary until the dragon's core temperature reheated the area. So let's say your energy burst effects a 20' radius and, just for fun, that a dragon big enough to swallow someone has 200' of intestine. You'd better hope you can get 5 of those bursts (this is not counting the fact that the intestine is folded over on itself so you could probably get multiple lengths of intestine with a single burst) during the time you're inside to get yourself all the way through. This is why the digestion time is so important.
Now if you're a smart character and you have minor creation, perhaps you can manifest a competative antagonist that blocks the active sites of all those enzymes.
Fatalis_902
12-30-06, 02:14 PM Most DMs would probably disallow that on the count of, "Your character doesn't even know that enzymes exist, let alone active sites, because no-one has discovered it yet and you don't have the tools to right now." Of course, the entire argument/debate (choose your word) in this case is based on the knowledge that these things exist.

Oh, and energy burst has a 40' radius. Just so you know.
High Octane
12-30-06, 02:30 PM Don't try swimming in anti-water.

;)

I......dont want to know.
Fatalis_902
12-30-06, 09:46 PM I......dont want to know.

I would imagine water that is highlly saturated with anti-matter, or water composed of anti-matter. It would vaporize, and you with it, upon coming in contact with any matter. /and YOU are composed of matter.
Zemyla
01-02-07, 05:37 PM Immunity to acid is nifty, especially for enemies.

One time, I had a bunch of horrid sharks swimming in a vat of acid. It was funny.
Sereno
01-03-07, 01:43 PM Immunity to acid is nifty, especially for enemies.

One time, I had a bunch of horrid sharks swimming in a vat of acid. It was funny.

But, did they have frickin' lasers on their frickin' heads? :)
High Octane
01-03-07, 01:52 PM But, did they have frickin' lasers on their frickin' heads? :)

And more importantly, was the acid itself ON FIRE?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
Tharivol_Nailo 12-24-06, 06:29 PM	My character has become immune to acid as a result from a combination of an item/spell. Does this mean that he cant be digested as well?
mato_hibiki 12-24-06, 07:26 PM	As I've said many times before, waaay back, start since I first played AD&D second edition. "Sure, you can survive being eaten by a dragon, but would you really want to?" This was later added when people kept asking me why I said that. "Because, there're two ways in and out of a dragon, and chances are, you're not getting out the same way you came in." So, in summery, if you're ever eaten by a dragon, either teleport out, or kill yourself, quickly.
albinomonkeyking 12-24-06, 07:29 PM	My character has become immune to acid as a result from a combination of an item/spell. Does this mean that he cant be digested as well? Because, there're two ways in and out of a dragon, and chances are, you're not getting out the same way you came in." I see what you did there.
Raxmei 12-24-06, 07:33 PM	He won't take acid damage but he will still be vulnerable to suffocation.
KurenaiYami 12-24-06, 07:40 PM	And the bludgeoning damage from the gullet.
Toloran 12-24-06, 08:28 PM	Also, if you read Dragonomicon, you find that dragons stomachs do not have any acid in them. Basically, they have what amounts to supernatural/magic/spell-like stuff that grinds things down into their base molecules (which is why most of them can survive off of just eating metal).
Tharivol_Nailo 12-24-06, 08:55 PM	Thank you. Just to clear this up, would I be able to swim in acid just like water? Minus the fact of my gear melting.
runestar 12-24-06, 10:13 PM	Alternatively, you could run into a dragon who happens to enjoy chewing his prey to mush before swallowing...;)
Mitchell 12-24-06, 10:19 PM	Assuming that the acid has the same density of water, then sure. Of course, I'm no physics major but I'm sure that most people will assume that the swim skill will work the same in any liquid environment, though lava and the like may be a bit different.
Toloran 12-25-06, 06:00 PM	Assuming that the acid has the same density of water, then sure. Of course, I'm no physics major but I'm sure that most people will assume that the swim skill will work the same in any liquid environment, though lava and the like may be a bit different. You can basically swim (not easily mind you) in just about any liquid that is more dense then you are. In other words, the mass of the amount of liquid you displace is equal or greater then you are (and thus, you can float). So barring fire damage, you could swim in molten lava. Same thing with acid (since acid is just water with various molecules disolved in it).
Tharivol_Nailo 12-25-06, 08:30 PM	Cool. I like this gift already. It came in handy when I fought a black dragon.
Ryusage 12-25-06, 08:40 PM	You can basically swim (not easily mind you) in just about any liquid that is more dense then you are. In other words, the mass of the amount of liquid you displace is equal or greater then you are (and thus, you can float). Wait a sec... So you cannot swim in any liquid (or do u mean fluid) less dense than yourself? One would think that if you spread yourself out your could manage just a bit less dense.
KurenaiYami 12-25-06, 09:12 PM	Density doesn't have as much to do with it, except in extreme cases. If it's in the liquid state and it's an element that naturally occurs, you'll be able to swim in it. Water isn't more dense than a lean person, that's why they sink. If you get somebody with a fair amount of fat on them, it is less dense, and they float.
Tharivol_Nailo 12-26-06, 03:32 PM	Very true.
AZNsupermarket 12-26-06, 04:34 PM	I remember this one campaign where we were looking over some drow corpses and a player found a vial of acid. PC: Acid, Eh? The drow must have been drug dealers... :plotting: DM: Huh? :uh-huh: PC: My characters drinks the acid. :w00t: DM: WHAT!?!?!? :OMG! PC: Did the acid make my character seeing crazy hallucinations? :dancin: DM: What kind of acid did you think the drow had? :nonono: Luckily for the PC, the DM was a good sport and allowed his character to go on an acid trip... :cool:
High Octane 12-26-06, 06:26 PM	Luckily for the PC, the DM was a good sport and allowed his character to go on an acid trip... :cool: Did it end in Elysium? Cause it should have. Unless the character was evil of course. Yeah you can swim in acid if you wanted, similarly to a fire immune creature can swim in lava. Doesnt make it a very good idea.
AZNsupermarket 12-26-06, 06:38 PM	Did it end in Elysium? Cause it should have. Unless the character was evil of course. Nope, the DM liked the idea so much that he decided that the drow were drug dealers and they were carrying psychedelic drugs. Go figure...
Nibbler 12-26-06, 09:46 PM	Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed!
High Octane 12-27-06, 01:05 PM	Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed! Erm....... Im pretty sure immunity to acid would cover that.
Tharivol_Nailo 12-27-06, 01:15 PM	Ok thanks for all the help.
trapspringer 12-28-06, 11:24 PM	But as mentioned before, dragons can metabolize basically anything.
Toloran 12-28-06, 11:43 PM	Density doesn't have as much to do with it, except in extreme cases. If it's in the liquid state and it's an element that naturally occurs, you'll be able to swim in it. Water isn't more dense than a lean person, that's why they sink. If you get somebody with a fair amount of fat on them, it is less dense, and they float. Heh, I was refering to floating rather then swimming, which is slightly different :3 My mistake.
Sphyre 12-29-06, 06:53 PM	He won't take acid damage but he will still be vulnerable to suffocation. And the bludgeoning damage from the gullet. Yes, these both could kill you. And as soon as you cease to be living, in D&D you become an object and most likely would no longer have immunity to acid, and would be quite easy to digest. If you had immunity to acid, sufficiently high DR and did not have to breathe, then yes, you could be quite uncomfortable while the digestive system is attempting to kill you and break you down into smaller parts. Keep in mind though, that you need all 3 otherwise you're still vulnerable to dying, simply 1 or 2 will only prolong your death. Thank you. Just to clear this up, would I be able to swim in acid just like water? Minus the fact of my gear melting. Your gear, according to D&D terms, are attended objects. Thus they are not subject to being attacked until you were to die. Short of some kind of "Digestive Sunder" feat or ability, at least, which would make sense for creatures with the Swallow Whole ability.
Fatalis_902 12-30-06, 08:11 AM	Sure you'd survive the stomach acid but what about the digestive enzymes? The saccharidases, the lipases, the proteases, the characterases? If you can't cast Denature Proteins, you're screwed! Erm....... Im pretty sure immunity to acid would cover that. Actually, just being able to drop something like a cold or fire energy burst would denature the proteins unto the point of not being usable. Alternatively, you could pour a ****-load of bleach in the acid, changng the pH and screwing with the proteins even more.
Nibbler 12-30-06, 10:15 AM	Heat I'll give you. Cold I'm not so sure about. I don't necessarily this that would effect the tertiery structure of the proteins. The problem is the peristalisis. Sure you zap the enzymes is one section. As the dragon's intestine pushes you along though, you're in a whole new region with new enzymes. So the questions are: 1) Do you get moved along at a speed that overcomes the radius of your spell and 2) How long does it take to pass though the dragon's digestive system (though you're probably safe once you hit the large intestine)?
GSonic7 12-30-06, 10:45 AM	Don't try swimming in anti-water. ;)
Tharivol_Nailo 12-30-06, 11:16 AM	ok thanks for all the help. I have what i need.
Fatalis_902 12-30-06, 11:29 AM	Heat I'll give you. Cold I'm not so sure about. I don't necessarily this that would effect the tertiery structure of the proteins. The problem is the peristalisis. Sure you zap the enzymes is one section. As the dragon's intestine pushes you along though, you're in a whole new region with new enzymes. So the questions are: 1) Do you get moved along at a speed that overcomes the radius of your spell and 2) How long does it take to pass though the dragon's digestive system (though you're probably safe once you hit the large intestine)? I'm in AP Bio, and we just went over this. I'll explain it quickly. Enzymes are proteins that are designed to catalyze, or speed up, reactions. They have a limited temperature and pH range to function well in, and if the temp rises above or drops below that range, the protein denatures, or changes its shape, and ceases to function properly. Also, it doesn't matter how fast you move through, as you can just re-manifest the Energy Burst.
Nibbler 12-30-06, 01:49 PM	While it's true that cold temperatures can decrease an enzyme's activity, it does not necessarily denature the tertiary structure. Heat, on the other hand, can break the ionic and covalent bonds that keep the protein's shape. Thus a fire energy burst could permenantly denature enzymes while a cold blast effect would only be temporary until the dragon's core temperature reheated the area. So let's say your energy burst effects a 20' radius and, just for fun, that a dragon big enough to swallow someone has 200' of intestine. You'd better hope you can get 5 of those bursts (this is not counting the fact that the intestine is folded over on itself so you could probably get multiple lengths of intestine with a single burst) during the time you're inside to get yourself all the way through. This is why the digestion time is so important. Now if you're a smart character and you have minor creation, perhaps you can manifest a competative antagonist that blocks the active sites of all those enzymes.
Fatalis_902 12-30-06, 02:14 PM	Most DMs would probably disallow that on the count of, "Your character doesn't even know that enzymes exist, let alone active sites, because no-one has discovered it yet and you don't have the tools to right now." Of course, the entire argument/debate (choose your word) in this case is based on the knowledge that these things exist. Oh, and energy burst has a 40' radius. Just so you know.
High Octane 12-30-06, 02:30 PM	Don't try swimming in anti-water. ;) I......dont want to know.
Fatalis_902 12-30-06, 09:46 PM	I......dont want to know. I would imagine water that is highlly saturated with anti-matter, or water composed of anti-matter. It would vaporize, and you with it, upon coming in contact with any matter. /and YOU are composed of matter.
Zemyla 01-02-07, 05:37 PM	Immunity to acid is nifty, especially for enemies. One time, I had a bunch of horrid sharks swimming in a vat of acid. It was funny.
Sereno 01-03-07, 01:43 PM	Immunity to acid is nifty, especially for enemies. One time, I had a bunch of horrid sharks swimming in a vat of acid. It was funny. But, did they have frickin' lasers on their frickin' heads? :)
High Octane 01-03-07, 01:52 PM	But, did they have frickin' lasers on their frickin' heads? :) And more importantly, was the acid itself ON FIRE?