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felinoel 01-30-06, 12:58 PM	first of all i was wondering how i would meet the special requirement of a pyrokineticist of "catching something ob fire just to watch it burn" while being a druid and second of all, wouldnt controlling fire still be druidic? cuz fire is technically a part of nature right?
Solidcobra 01-30-06, 01:04 PM	Druids have LOTS of fire-based spells. many of them 'nuking' ones. I'd say that if a druid can tear someone open, freeze them to death, cut them to ribbons with a wall of thorned plants and more...yeah. It's probably okay for them to set something on fire.
The White Sorcerer 01-30-06, 01:06 PM	Produce flame, a 1st-level druid spell. Also, mundane methods of firestarting work.
felinoel 01-30-06, 01:10 PM	Produce flame, a 1st-level druid spell. Also, mundane methods of firestarting work. no, no, no, i just need to know WHAT i can burn, because my DM says if i burn a person's home i am still destroying a habitat, NOT HOW to make a fire!!!
Morka 01-30-06, 01:27 PM	What about a pile of dead leaves? Bring marshmallow, and enjoy!
The White Sorcerer 01-30-06, 01:32 PM	no, no, no, i just need to know WHAT i can burn, because my DM says if i burn a person's home i am still destroying a habitat, NOT HOW to make a fire!!! You should've been more specific, then. Build a little house out of sticks and leaves, and set it on fire. Done.
Shaggy_Shaggs 01-30-06, 01:32 PM	What about an undead creature or abberation? They're unnatural, druids are going to hate them anyway, setting one alight and watching it burn to death should be fun for all druids involved.
Feneem 01-30-06, 01:34 PM	Find a stand of dead pines and burn them down. It's natures way after all, fire is an important part of some environments.
The White Sorcerer 01-30-06, 01:42 PM	What about an undead creature or abberation? I don't think they would count as structures.
Shaggy_Shaggs 01-30-06, 01:45 PM	My mistake, I was not aware the something to be burned had to be a structure.
TheChilliGod 01-30-06, 01:59 PM	Burn down something that does not adhere to your non-neutral alignment. Neutral Good? Burn down the torture chamber. Lawful Neutral? Burn down the thieves guild. Neutral Evil? Burn down the town guard. Chaotic Neutral? Burn down anything you feel like, you're unpredictable. True Neutral? Um... Burn down the lumber mill, since its destroying your trees. Once you've done that, sit down, watch it burn, and marvel at the wonders of the 1st primary element. You shouldn't worry about destroying habitats and such, because there's nothing saying that a druid is not allowed to burn habitats, she just has to revere nature. Here, you're revering one of the primordial forces of the elements of nature, which should be perfectly okay.
Radijs 01-30-06, 02:21 PM	Burn down a forest. One thats infested with a disease. The fire will cleanse the area and fertilize the soil.
felinoel 01-30-06, 03:58 PM	What about a pile of dead leaves? Bring marshmallow, and enjoy! this is a good idea, thank you Burn down something that does not adhere to your non-neutral alignment. Neutral Good? Burn down the torture chamber. Lawful Neutral? Burn down the thieves guild. Neutral Evil? Burn down the town guard. Chaotic Neutral? Burn down anything you feel like, you're unpredictable. True Neutral? Um... Burn down the lumber mill, since its destroying your trees. Once you've done that, sit down, watch it burn, and marvel at the wonders of the 1st primary element. You shouldn't worry about destroying habitats and such, because there's nothing saying that a druid is not allowed to burn habitats, she just has to revere nature. Here, you're revering one of the primordial forces of the elements of nature, which should be perfectly okay. THIS character is CN, and i bow to thee, oh chili god Burn down a forest. One thats infested with a disease. The fire will cleanse the area and fertilize the soil. my other DM did speak of controlled burns to cleanse the soil and to destroy dead trees and such....
starfire311 01-30-06, 04:00 PM	Actually the requirement is to burn something for no other reason than to watch it burn. So, most of the suggestions that involve ulterior motives would nto fulfill the requirement. If your duid needs a reason to set a fire, then perhaps he isn't pyrokineticist material.
felinoel 01-30-06, 04:03 PM	Actually the requirement is to burn something for no other reason than to watch it burn. So, most of the suggestions that involve ulterior motives would nto fulfill the requirement. If your duid needs a reason to set a fire, then perhaps he isn't pyrokineticist material. well the reason i ask with the druid, is because i do not want to lose my levels in druid by doing something against the druidic beliefs
darkness ninja of light 01-30-06, 04:22 PM	I don't know, it seems if you're having that much trouble getting INTO the prestige class without defying your druidic beliefs, then perhaps you really SHOULDN'T become a pyrokineticist. The flavors of your classes are contradicting. Just stick with a druid who uses their fire spells a lot, maybe?
felinoel 01-30-06, 04:39 PM	I don't know, it seems if you're having that much trouble getting INTO the prestige class without defying your druidic beliefs, then perhaps you really SHOULDN'T become a pyrokineticist. The flavors of your classes are contradicting. Just stick with a druid who uses their fire spells a lot, maybe? meh, the DM for my druid's campaign isnt really all that smart.... i will just either burn down a pile of leaves or cleanse a forest of dead trees, and if i do lose my druidicness, well i have been looking closely at the blighter
Yak of Darkness 01-30-06, 04:41 PM	There's no reason being a pyrokineticist has to violate druidic beliefs/code. You seem to be stuck in the "burning something" = "wanton careless destruction" mentality, and it doesn't have to be that way. Fire is an elemental force, one of the four elements that make up everything in the natural world (for a D&D character). Fires occur in nature all the time, for a variety of reasons, and fire elementals can be summoned by a druid as allies of nature. So fire fits. A pyrokineticist druid would just be the kind that is fascinated with fire above other natural phenomena. Some druids might love the forests, some tend animals, some bring nature into urban areas--yours finds beauty in flame. He sees something amazing in a force that can cause so much destruction, but then do so much for the land and soil afterwards--a kind of death-and-rebirth imagery that he sees as a metaphor for the natural world as a whole. And the way of the pyrokineticist could be his way of expressing his fascination with fire, of becoming one with the flame. Or, alternatively, he could be showing respect to such a dangerous natural force, and be using the pyrokineticist abilities as a way of responsible mastery of this element. Whatever he feels works best. So it comes time for him to burn something. He (I'm assuming he doesn't actually want to spread any kind of unchecked harm or destruction here) finds an abandoned village of some kind, something that the natural world is only beginning to reclaim. He goes to the central building, maybe the ruined town square, and lights it up. Watching it in awe, he meditates, taking in the crackling of flame, the smell of smoke, the feeling of heat on his cheeks and through his body. He studies the fire, watching as it breaks things down, as mortal-made structures inevitably crumble before this powerful, awe-inspiring natural force. And he sees that it doesn't matter who you are or how much you try to exert dominion over nature--the fire still burns and consumes. He sets it ablaze, he watches it burn, he takes in the whole of the sensations and experience, and he then moves forward into opening his mind to a greater understanding of fire, how it works, how to use it, and even how to master it in limited quantities. He takes his first pyrokineticist level. And that is (one way of many) how a druid can become a pyrokineticist.
felinoel 01-30-06, 05:27 PM	There's no reason being a pyrokineticist has to violate druidic beliefs/code. You seem to be stuck in the "burning something" = "wanton careless destruction" mentality, and it doesn't have to be that way.my DM says that "burning something just to watch it burn" is against druidic beliefs Fire is an elemental force, one of the four elements that make up everything in the natural world (for a D&D character). Fires occur in nature all the time, for a variety of reasons, and fire elementals can be summoned by a druid as allies of nature. So fire fits.yea i think we already said that somewhere earlier A pyrokineticist druid would just be the kind that is fascinated with fire above other natural phenomena. Some druids might love the forests, some tend animals, some bring nature into urban areas--yours finds beauty in flame. He sees something amazing in a force that can cause so much destruction, but then do so much for the land and soil afterwards--a kind of death-and-rebirth imagery that he sees as a metaphor for the natural world as a whole.like how the special ability nimbus engulfs yourself in fire and give you a +4 charisma ^^ And the way of the pyrokineticist could be his way of expressing his fascination with fire, of becoming one with the flame. Or, alternatively, he could be showing respect to such a dangerous natural force, and be using the pyrokineticist abilities as a way of responsible mastery of this element. Whatever he feels works best. So it comes time for him to burn something. He (I'm assuming he doesn't actually want to spread any kind of unchecked harm or destruction here) finds an abandoned village of some kind, something that the natural world is only beginning to reclaim. He goes to the central building, maybe the ruined town square, and lights it up. Watching it in awe, he meditates, taking in the crackling of flame, the smell of smoke, the feeling of heat on his cheeks and through his body. He studies the fire, watching as it breaks things down, as mortal-made structures inevitably crumble before this powerful, awe-inspiring natural force. And he sees that it doesn't matter who you are or how much you try to exert dominion over nature--the fire still burns and consumes. He sets it ablaze, he watches it burn, he takes in the whole of the sensations and experience, and he then moves forward into opening his mind to a greater understanding of fire, how it works, how to use it, and even how to master it in limited quantities. He takes his first pyrokineticist level.yea i was considering finding an abandoned home and burning that...... And that is (one way of many) how a druid can become a pyrokineticist.ok... although i might just still take the easy route and burn some dead leaves
The White Sorcerer 01-30-06, 08:56 PM	Remember that the structure can be of any size. A doll house is just as good as a castle.
felinoel 01-31-06, 01:18 AM	Remember that the structure can be of any size. A doll house is just as good as a castle. yea i was considering taking dead twigs and making like a small lincoln log cabin and burnin that ^^
The White Sorcerer 01-31-06, 01:28 AM	yea i was considering taking dead twigs and making like a small lincoln log cabin and burnin that ^^ That's what I'd do. Build something myself, burn it, and contemplate on the fact that the flames will consume all, even that which is dear to me.
kinjojones 01-31-06, 12:35 PM	Just build a bon fire in the middle of the day for no reason. It doesn't have to get out of hand and as a druid you'd probaly make sure it doesn't burn anything but the bon fire structure. And you did it just because you wanted to see it burn. Not for warmth or light or anything. This is instead of just burning some twigs which to me would be kind of cheesy and if I were DM I wouldn't allow you to use that to get into the PrC. However actually building a bon fire which may require some time and maybe even some help or craft carpentry skills and some money for the lumber etc. would be a good enough gesture in my opinion. Taking some time and expending some resources would be alot better than putting some dead leaves and twig house in a bucket and setting it ablaze.
felinoel 01-31-06, 12:45 PM	Just build a bon fire in the middle of the day for no reason. It doesn't have to get out of hand and as a druid you'd probaly make sure it doesn't burn anything but the bon fire structure. And you did it just because you wanted to see it burn. Not for warmth or light or anything. This is instead of just burning some twigs which to me would be kind of cheesy and if I were DM I wouldn't allow you to use that to get into the PrC. However actually building a bon fire which may require some time and maybe even some help or craft carpentry skills and some money for the lumber etc. would be a good enough gesture in my opinion. Taking some time and expending some resources would be alot better than putting some dead leaves and twig house in a bucket and setting it ablaze. hmmmm well i dont think i will be buying lumber, for fear of it being cut straight from live trees, and also i never said anything about a bucket.......
CaoSlayer 01-31-06, 02:21 PM	burn down a whole town and drive away those pesters who are contaminating the floor, the nature will reclaim the land with the time. EDIT: works better if your character plays the lyre.
felinoel 03-05-06, 05:36 AM	burn down a whole town and drive away those pesters who are contaminating the floor, the nature will reclaim the land with the time. EDIT: works better if your character plays the lyre. i am sorry but i dont get the reference :confused:
CaoSlayer 03-05-06, 08:38 AM	Neron, the nutty roman emperor, it is said that caused a big fire on roma and played the lyre with joy while saw the city burning down.
Amyris 03-05-06, 08:39 AM	I believe his meaning is that your lyre playing will drive them away. Edit: Ah, nevermind. He posted while I was typing. As to your original question, why not point out to your DM that destruction is a part of nature as well, e.g lightning destroying trees, forest fires... you get the idea, and your druid happens to particularly enjoy that aspect of nature, thus the setting of fire to say, dead leaves. I'm assuming that your DM isn't the type who imagines druids as simply being tree huggers who refuse to even harvest from the forest for food, lumber, etcetra, and will penalise Druids who do.(Don't laugh, I've seen it happen) A Druid lives off the land,IMHO, so if you need lumber, no reason not to get it. However, if you "need" massive amounts of lumber, gathered through a foresting operation and without a care for the enviroment, to sell for profit... There are plenty of reasons not to get it. Just my two cp.
Leap_UK 03-05-06, 09:44 AM	A CN druid with a fire fetish?!! S'my kinda guy :D Druids are NOT (repeat: NOT!) environmentalists. They are wild folks who dont want to see civilisation encroaching.So destroying a habitat occasionally is fine (hell you do that everytime you wash the dishes!) - the point of druidome, especially CN druidome, is to embody the primal (think pre-iron age hunter-gatherers blended with tales of the pixies et al). So nuke the house and cook some spuds in the ashes. :)
Millennium 03-05-06, 09:50 PM	no, no, no, i just need to know WHAT i can burn, because my DM says if i burn a person's home i am still destroying a habitat, NOT HOW to make a fire!!! You are indeed destroying a habitat, but it's not a natural habitat: it was built by human hands. Fire is a part of nature, and it has many real purposes. For example, there are certain types of pinecones that can only open to release their seeds after they've been exposed to flame. However, gratuitous burning of structures -and the gratuitous aspect is precisely what the pyrokineticist requires- is likely to be frowned upon by most druids. Technically it doesn't violate your druidic oaths, but arsonists aren't well-liked in most circles.
ehrin 03-05-06, 11:21 PM	I always wondered (this class as well as the assassin): if I must do action X, for no other reason.... and i do it so I can join the prestige class/guild/group, then I did it for a reason. If i did it for a reason (to join), then what I did wouldn't qualify, right?
Sianger 03-06-06, 01:18 AM	Well, for the Assassin, it says something like "kill someone for no other reason than to join the assassins" so well, joining the assassins is the valid reason. Pyro is trickier, though. Of course, this is basically just semantic nitpicking and it'd be silly to say that doing it to join the class invalidates the act.