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Post/Author/DateTime Post
bansheeman
06-29-06, 07:11 PM I really want to play a person that is a guru with items like, alchemists fire, and acid flasks.
Im either going to play a dwarf or gnome.
And i dont really want to be a caster even though i have to be to create items.
I know you guys can help out. Thanks.
Drodain
06-29-06, 07:15 PM cant help to much srry but i thought u may want to be a halfling as far as abilities go since it's close(...kinda) and u get bonuses to throwing stuff and that would help especially if u want alchemists fire and tanglefoot stuff
Cifer
06-29-06, 07:24 PM You might want to try artificer. Also, get the grenadier feat from PHB II.
bansheeman
06-29-06, 07:46 PM so im kinda stuck because i dont have the ebberon books

what if i ask my DM if you can take an item creation at the level it says for being a caster.
Would this be way to overpowering.
Millennium
06-29-06, 07:51 PM Actually, this shouldn't be too difficult. You don't have to be a caster to create the items you mention (alchemist's fire, acid flasks, and the like).

What I'd suggest you do is play a Rogue. Max out your ranks in Craft [alchemy] and other related skills. Perhaps your character could make a living as a pharmacist, in which case you'd also want to max out in Heal and such. You may also want to consider maxing Appraise and Diplomacy, for buying ingredients and possibly making a tidy profit selling some of your wares. Feats like Skill Focus [Craft [alchemy]] should also help. See if your DM will let you take an exotic weapon proficiency in grenadelike weapons.
bansheeman
06-29-06, 07:59 PM Dont you have to be a spell caster to be able to craft alchemy.
bansheeman
06-29-06, 08:47 PM so is there any hope for me?
kelvinaw273
06-30-06, 06:04 AM Dont you have to be a spell caster to be able to craft alchemy.

No.

So you want to be an enlightened chemist/pyromaniac ... ok ... fine ...
Planar Wanderer
06-30-06, 07:07 AM No.

So you want to be an enlightened chemist/pyromaniac ... ok ... fine ...

Actually, RAW says that you do:

To make an item using Craft (alchemy), you must have alchemical equipment and be a spellcaster.

That said, I feel that removing that restriction may not be a game-breaking houserule (I haven't tried it though). I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that you can actually get sneak attack damage with grenade-like weapons, I'm not certain on that so don't quote me on it but if that is the case some levels in rogue might be an investment
ashcat_lt
07-01-06, 12:51 AM How about spellthief. Good skill points and spellcasting. I haven't actually done alot of research, but I think some Master Thrower could make things interesting.
bansheeman
07-01-06, 02:32 AM How about spellthief. Good skill points and spellcasting. I haven't actually done alot of research, but I think some Master Thrower could make things interesting.

I dont really want to be a spell theif. Would it be too unbalancing to ask my dm to say that i dont have to be a magic user to craft alchemy and that grenade like weapons do get sneak attack.
kelvinaw273
07-01-06, 02:48 AM I dont really want to be a spell theif. Would it be too unbalancing to ask my dm to say that i dont have to be a magic user to craft alchemy and that grenade like weapons do get sneak attack.

Well my Dm gave my character alchemy without being a spellcaster (my character is a kalashtar monk, dm designed) without upsetting game balance. Grenade-like weapons DO NOT sneak attack - sneak attack requires precision, something not noted in grenade like weapons.
IceFractal
07-01-06, 04:36 AM Actually, since you make attack rolls with acid flasks, and can crit with them, you can also sneak attack with them, by the rules.

As to whether this makes sense, well: acid flask to the face > acid flask to the leg.
Millennium
07-01-06, 08:18 AM Another option would be to take just one level of sorcerer. This fulfills the requirement that you be a spellcaster without being too disruptive to your overall plan. Furthermore, since sorcerers aren't trained flavor-wise, you can write it off as just a tiny amount of latent ability that you don't really care to use. A basic supernatural knack, if you will.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
bansheeman 06-29-06, 07:11 PM	I really want to play a person that is a guru with items like, alchemists fire, and acid flasks. Im either going to play a dwarf or gnome. And i dont really want to be a caster even though i have to be to create items. I know you guys can help out. Thanks.
Drodain 06-29-06, 07:15 PM	cant help to much srry but i thought u may want to be a halfling as far as abilities go since it's close(...kinda) and u get bonuses to throwing stuff and that would help especially if u want alchemists fire and tanglefoot stuff
Cifer 06-29-06, 07:24 PM	You might want to try artificer. Also, get the grenadier feat from PHB II.
bansheeman 06-29-06, 07:46 PM	so im kinda stuck because i dont have the ebberon books what if i ask my DM if you can take an item creation at the level it says for being a caster. Would this be way to overpowering.
Millennium 06-29-06, 07:51 PM	Actually, this shouldn't be too difficult. You don't have to be a caster to create the items you mention (alchemist's fire, acid flasks, and the like). What I'd suggest you do is play a Rogue. Max out your ranks in Craft [alchemy] and other related skills. Perhaps your character could make a living as a pharmacist, in which case you'd also want to max out in Heal and such. You may also want to consider maxing Appraise and Diplomacy, for buying ingredients and possibly making a tidy profit selling some of your wares. Feats like Skill Focus [Craft [alchemy]] should also help. See if your DM will let you take an exotic weapon proficiency in grenadelike weapons.
bansheeman 06-29-06, 07:59 PM	Dont you have to be a spell caster to be able to craft alchemy.
bansheeman 06-29-06, 08:47 PM	so is there any hope for me?
kelvinaw273 06-30-06, 06:04 AM	Dont you have to be a spell caster to be able to craft alchemy. No. So you want to be an enlightened chemist/pyromaniac ... ok ... fine ...
Planar Wanderer 06-30-06, 07:07 AM	No. So you want to be an enlightened chemist/pyromaniac ... ok ... fine ... Actually, RAW says that you do: To make an item using Craft (alchemy), you must have alchemical equipment and be a spellcaster. That said, I feel that removing that restriction may not be a game-breaking houserule (I haven't tried it though). I vaguely remember seeing somewhere that you can actually get sneak attack damage with grenade-like weapons, I'm not certain on that so don't quote me on it but if that is the case some levels in rogue might be an investment
ashcat_lt 07-01-06, 12:51 AM	How about spellthief. Good skill points and spellcasting. I haven't actually done alot of research, but I think some Master Thrower could make things interesting.
bansheeman 07-01-06, 02:32 AM	How about spellthief. Good skill points and spellcasting. I haven't actually done alot of research, but I think some Master Thrower could make things interesting. I dont really want to be a spell theif. Would it be too unbalancing to ask my dm to say that i dont have to be a magic user to craft alchemy and that grenade like weapons do get sneak attack.
kelvinaw273 07-01-06, 02:48 AM	I dont really want to be a spell theif. Would it be too unbalancing to ask my dm to say that i dont have to be a magic user to craft alchemy and that grenade like weapons do get sneak attack. Well my Dm gave my character alchemy without being a spellcaster (my character is a kalashtar monk, dm designed) without upsetting game balance. Grenade-like weapons DO NOT sneak attack - sneak attack requires precision, something not noted in grenade like weapons.
IceFractal 07-01-06, 04:36 AM	Actually, since you make attack rolls with acid flasks, and can crit with them, you can also sneak attack with them, by the rules. As to whether this makes sense, well: acid flask to the face > acid flask to the leg.
Millennium 07-01-06, 08:18 AM	Another option would be to take just one level of sorcerer. This fulfills the requirement that you be a spellcaster without being too disruptive to your overall plan. Furthermore, since sorcerers aren't trained flavor-wise, you can write it off as just a tiny amount of latent ability that you don't really care to use. A basic supernatural knack, if you will.