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Drindin 01-11-06, 11:41 PM	A race of undead creatures, known only as the lords of demise. They are tall, towering at a massive 8'0"-9'0" in hieght, with heavy broad shoulders. They appear to be the remnants of what is suspected to have once been a race of giants. They live in ruins that are often hidden deep within the hinterlands. They have no flesh, but wear heavy suits of plate armour that seems to have fused with their remaining bones. Every few years, the Lords of Demise will send out a raiding party to destroy cities, and dig up the grave yards. Masters of the necromantic magics, they usually raise the dead in these grave yards as undead as a last terrible act against the living, leaving the undead either to be destroyed, or to disperse amongst the woods and lands surrounding the citys and towns they attack. As far as is known, there is only a limited number of the Lords of Demise remaining, as their numbers never seem to grow. It is suspected there is one 'True Master' at the head of their society. What little is known, is that the Lords of Demise worship dark idols, and seem to very frequetly leave burning 'effigees' (though some suspect they're a little more than that) behind.
Rny2 01-12-06, 05:24 PM	They appear to be the remnants of what is suspected to have once been a race of giants. They live in ruins that are often hidden deep within the hinterlands. Did the demise-giants undergo their transformation before or after the first rizwil invasion? How did they react to the invasion? Did they have outside interaction, or were they isolated? Did they build a civilization and have a coherent government? What evidence of these demise-giants remains? Did the merecyn expedition come across any of these ruins? How well are they spread across the hinterlund? Did the demise-giants live in the mountains or the fertile valleys? Every few years, the Lords of Demise will send out a raiding party to destroy cities, and dig up the grave yards. Masters of the necromantic magics, they usually raise the dead in these grave yards as undead as a last terrible act against the living, leaving the undead either to be destroyed, or to disperse amongst the woods and lands surrounding the citys and towns they attack. How did the demise-giants learn the necromantic magics? did they know this before they became undead? is it part of a racial memory? Did a great necromancer come to the demise-giants and teach them? How are their necromantic skills and magics unique? What cities do the Lords of Demise target? The conventional cities of the heartland, or cities in another land on the other side of the hinterlund? How do the fey of the Hinterlund react to the depositing of undead in the area? The old folk of the Niter? As far as is known, there is only a limited number of the Lords of Demise remaining, as their numbers never seem to grow. It is suspected there is one 'True Master' at the head of their society. What little is known, is that the Lords of Demise worship dark idols, and seem to very frequetly leave burning 'effigees' (though some suspect they're a little more than that) behind. Is the True Master a changing role, or is it constant as the True Master, being undead, never dies? Did it arise to power before or after the demise-giants became undead? How dark are these idols? are they merely alien to those who observe these rites, or are they inherently tied to elementary shadow? are the effigy fires mundane, or magical in nature? What's special about them that causes people to think of a greater meaning?
the_one_true_shea 01-12-06, 09:15 PM	Perhaps the giants (undead) are antithetical to the rizwell in sort. They are a :b: mana manifestation... say, and Exist in this "yes they are infected" but "no they are not of the rizwell" So they have acca sprouts growing in their fetid flesh but they are not metaphysically tied to the rizwell energies. Perhaps this "lord of demise" arrose post rizwell infection - an attempt to fight the rizwell back? a necromancer hidding his foul experiments in the most dangerous of places? a pure coincidence of fate? It sounds like even more so than an organized government they may qualify for a "hive-mind" appelation. ".. their numbers never seems to grow.." makes me think of a massive ritual that must be "fed" but only produces a certain number of supermutant undead. Like this: 3black, 3colorless "Lords of Demise" Enchantment When Lords of Demise comes into play put four 2/3 undead giant tokens into play under your control. Durring your upkeep Lords of Demise will replace any 2/3 undead giant token that have been destroyed or removed from game since their creation. I suggest that the giants are the creations of whatever is "behind" the lords of demise. Like an epic spell that creates x number of undead. The real guy could be alive, undead (lich?), or not even human... the Niter themselves!?! Nah, the Niter seem like they would be more pestery than demise..y. I worked up some rizwell cards awhile back.. this gets me thinking about what all resides in the hinterlands. What cities are being attacked. I think its a good idea to say at least some civilization persists. What if alot of civiliation has returned? The original Myrecyn empire was devolved into so much ruins and Niter. @Rny2 idea for niter.. will post thoughts on rizwell thread. After the destruction varius peoples (perhaps the hardier nonhumans) set up within the shadow of the rizwell. These are the civilizations that the Lords of Demise raid for bodies to fuel their infernal death machine.. of darkness. ehe. Idols.. thats pertinant actually - that implies these are fully intelligent or at least gobliny intelligent. They have self possesion and seek the favor of the gods. Should we stir up some "Gods of Demise?" or should "Dark Idols" be descriptive enough.. "They worship vile gods of all manners and sorts. Some drawn from ancient Myrycn mythology, some from even more esoteric sources. The Lords of Demise will seek the dark blessings of any petty diety or demi-god that will condone their unholy existance." There are few gods to choose from.. we could even hash through them a bit to find the perfect one? "The one" that patrons this legion?
Rny2 01-12-06, 09:51 PM	Perhaps the giants (undead) are antithetical to the rizwell in sort. They are a :b: mana manifestation... say, and Exist in this "yes they are infected" but "no they are not of the rizwell" So they have acca sprouts growing in their fetid flesh but they are not metaphysically tied to the rizwell energies. Perhaps this "lord of demise" arrose post rizwell infection - an attempt to fight the rizwell back? a necromancer hidding his foul experiments in the most dangerous of places? a pure coincidence of fate? It's possible the original necromancer be 'good' in the sense of pro-iradro con-rizwil, or he could be a throwback to the 5-colours and combating the taint of the rizwil/ iradro forces. The necromancer, though he be evil, would certainly want to keep the traditional elementary forces as his own dark powers require them. Also, since some have given the rizwil a BG orientation on the 5-color elementary thesis, a necromancer could be working with say a druid and breaking down the rizwil energies into two parts, the black Lords and something green, the Snakes, perhaps, though those seem more blue. I suggest that the giants are the creations of whatever is "behind" the lords of demise. Like an epic spell that creates x number of undead. The real guy could be alive, undead (lich?), or not even human... the Niter themselves!?! What cities are being attacked. I think its a good idea to say at least some civilization persists. What if alot of civiliation has returned? The original Myrecyn empire was devolved into so much ruins and Niter. Maybe the Hinturlund has a unique, fey-like trait that slows down time, so that by the time of the Rizwil coming, Old Myrecyn has already fallen. Some of the more powerful wizards in Hintercyn could know of this, and be trying to cleanse the area and create a new Myrecyn. The epic black mage could be one of these, and they have representation from each of the 5 elementary forces. After the destruction varius peoples (perhaps the hardier nonhumans) set up within the shadow of the rizwell. These are the civilizations that the Lords of Demise raid for bodies to fuel their infernal death machine.. of darkness. ehe. It could also be that, because of the reasons for their creation, the Lords know something the average person doesn't. Perhaps the rizwil taint and Acca remains in the 'body' even after being burned, maybe attaching itself to the soul energy of the conscious being. The Lords must then find these ticking bombs before they arise as new threats to the dream of a New Mrycyn. Idols.. thats pertinant actually - that implies these are fully intelligent or at least gobliny intelligent. They have self possesion and seek the favor of the gods. Should we stir up some "Gods of Demise?" or should "Dark Idols" be descriptive enough.. "They worship vile gods of all manners and sorts. Some drawn from ancient Myrycn mythology, some from even more esoteric sources. The Lords of Demise will seek the dark blessings of any petty diety or demi-god that will condone their unholy existance." There are few gods to choose from.. we could even hash through them a bit to find the perfect one? "The one" that patrons this legion? The Lords might worship the new founders of Merycyn as idols, though they know nothing of the land beyond the Hintulund. the 'ancient mythology' could be inhereted from the Lords' creators, and the 5 magi be dietified.
Drindin 01-13-06, 02:16 AM	See, and this is why I left my initial post so open ended. I didn't want it all to be my idea! The True Master is neither living nor dead, I would think. It is simply the source of the Undead Giant's power, perhaps an intelligent and large rock-crystal emanating dark energies? The gods they worship are actually powerful beings of the plane of shadow, and are suspected to possibly be creatures assigned to keeping the 'true master' safe. Necromantic magics are a racial memory. They actually turned themselves into undead. You seem to know a lot about the hinterlands (probably because you made them ;) :P), and I would imagine the fact they did this was to protect temselves from something...?
Rny2 01-13-06, 05:06 PM	The True Master is neither living nor dead, I would think. It is simply the source of the Undead Giant's power, perhaps an intelligent and large rock-crystal emanating dark energies? Once again, what composes the power of this dark rock-crystal? The elementary forces are inherently tied into the story if one of the elemental units (shadow aka dark) is being used in such a major way. Could these True Master crystals be spread across the world? Tying down and marking lines of ch'i, perhaps? or do they associate at breaking points between rizwil and iradro? The gods they worship are actually powerful beings of the plane of shadow, and are suspected to possibly be creatures assigned to keeping the 'true master' safe. Are the 'gods' aware of their worship? Do the Lords know the 'gods' personally, or only as myths in the racial memory? Can they interact with the 'gods?' who would have control over these 'gods,' to assign them to their posts? Why do the gods obey? How frail is the true master? is it only fragile by planar standards, or could an average adventurer damage it? Does it have any reason to need guards? How often does it 'get out'? Necromantic magics are a racial memory. They actually turned themselves into undead. You seem to know a lot about the hinterlands (probably because you made them ;) :P), and I would imagine the fact they did this was to protect temselves from something...? Are the 'hinterlands' also within the racial memory of the Lords? How far back do the necromatic teaching reach? Did something significantly alter the minds of the Lords, giving them this? Are there any detrimental side effects? If so, how could the Lords protect themselves? Could the gift of necromancy be an antidote to a curse of (positive energy) magic?
the_one_true_shea 01-13-06, 07:56 PM	oooh "Master Crystals" I think they should be black enchantments (the pic on the lords of demise would have one behind a few Lords of Demise) slash epic spells/artifacts. Dark shadow lords from the plane of darkness.. "shadow" = Black mana. At least, unless there is overriding reason not to go that way. As far as these dark "gods" ... Im a big fan of the "petty gods" model. Where divine rank is accessable through a number of means - thusly these dark gods are like a culture in and of themselves. Living on a subplane of shadow.. perhaps locked away.. unintentionally? by the Rizwell outbreak.. leading to the "plan" that plan of course being to create these artifacts and dropping them around so they can influence their followers (the lords of demise). Sounds like these guys are like "demi-lich" btw - not powerful enough to self transmogrify.. so they bought the shadow lord ride. There after dedicated to creating more "master stones" These stones could be a hive mind - elemental - that is wholly "of the shadow lords" in that there are no ceremonies neede to apppease the dark lords, no direct clerical stuff either. Just Shadow lords have their "pet hive minded true master rock formation combo" and then the stones direct the actual actions of the lords of demise.. But the lords of demise are intelligent undead so they really just look to the stones for advice.. as they would a god.. and maybe the stones are not all that smart? A simple but highly focused intelligence. I think the racial memory is just that "know thyself" deal. They started normal men (elves, etc) and then when they became the Lords they gained an intuative "spell focus (necromancy)" feat and some spell like abilities that assist in necromancy. Now I just had an idea. The lords of demise are all "giants" perhaps they were all hill giants and they all underwent the ritual at the same time? So there is a limited number and it doesnt grow. The created undead are just the normal variety. This ritual cost the master stones some power and it would only do it again if the Lords get noticibly reduced in number. Perhaps it was the shadow lords that did the original spell.. so the stones would have to "call dad" to get the army repopulated. hmm, think Im gonna add "As an additional cost to casting Lords of Demise - sacrifice a master stone" or something like that.. hmm thoughts on the card?
Drindin 01-13-06, 08:06 PM	Wow... that's better than anything I had in mind! Yeah, hill giants certainly work, but I was thinking that it was an entire race of giants that underwent this. They were the progenitors of Necromantic Magic, and thus they fell so deep into their art, they literally became their art. These Crystals are the primary source of the magic, and in fact are direct ties to the realms of shadow and the negative planes. That is why these shadow creatures are so highly revered... they are the very essence of everything they believed and became.
Drindin 01-13-06, 08:14 PM	Once again, what composes the power of this dark rock-crystal? The elementary forces are inherently tied into the story if one of the elemental units (shadow aka dark) is being used in such a major way. The dark rock-crystals, as is said above, are actually simply vessles of the energies of the Shadow and Negative energy planes, are are used as a method of drawing the magic from these planes and then used to cast spells. Could these True Master crystals be spread across the world? Tying down and marking lines of ch'i, perhaps? or do they associate at breaking points between rizwil and iradro? In theory, if one could find the ancient lore required to make one, they could. But to do so would be difficult, and involves much ancient lore which has been lost for many many ceturies. Are the 'gods' aware of their worship? Do the Lords know the 'gods' personally, or only as myths in the racial memory? Can they interact with the 'gods?' who would have control over these 'gods,' to assign them to their posts? Why do the gods obey? The 'gods' serve their true masters, which are simply the most powerful beings on shadow. The gods can only be viewed or communicated with through the rock-crystals. How frail is the true master? is it only fragile by planar standards, or could an average adventurer damage it? Does it have any reason to need guards? How often does it 'get out'? It is only fragile by planar standards. It's guards are there primarily to keep it's secrets from being learned, and to keep beings that are capable of damaging it from doing so. Are the 'hinterlands' also within the racial memory of the Lords? How far back do the necromatic teaching reach? Did something significantly alter the minds of the Lords, giving them this? Are there any detrimental side effects? If so, how could the Lords protect themselves? Could the gift of necromancy be an antidote to a curse of (positive energy) magic? They were the some of the original practitioners of necromantic magic (assuming that role hasn't been taken yet) on this plane. So, this teaching reaches back to the beginings of their now-lost society. Their ravaging of various cities is to try and make necromancy and undead as wide spread as possible.
the_one_true_shea 01-13-06, 09:15 PM	The Quoto have a claim on the elder necromancer status. So the real question is.. did this happen before or after the rizwell/iradro appeared? Or did the giants undergoe the ritual as a reaction to the destruction of their natural homeland (the pre rizwell hinterlands)? They can still be ancient necromancers. Hill giants (or similar) are as likely to be necromancers as anyone else is.. and they are in a nordic area. A bit of the old birfrost giant mentality. "Munch the bones.. or make them dance?" Wich would serve you better on a long winter night.. I say dancing skeleton jesters. I have this urge to say that they were pretty allright fellas (a bit on the "grim" side if you will) untill the rizwell brought destruction to the habitat they had developed in. So you think having the entire species undergo the ritual.. wow between them and the niter its like the rizwell insipiated the locals to "freeze dry" their cultures.
Rny2 01-13-06, 10:18 PM	How did the proto-giants all agree to adopt their present status? did someone create/alter the proto-giants out of previously existing necromantic hill giants? the shadow beings' masters? Simple vessels, eh? What would complex vessels be? Actual living species? Is the legacy of the shadow gods found elsewhere? Are the Shadow/Negative Planes actually semi-sentient, subconsciously spawing and commanding vessels on the Primes? Hmm, the developement of more vessels to control the ch'i seems like a epic plot. A Kaiser Dragon relapse could attempt to craft more of these to return its race to the heights it had previously achieve. Most snakes would argue against it, but if such an incident occured, quite a few would support the new Kaiser and try to take advantage of altered elementary magical traits. The freeze-dry tactic, could it be preserving civilization for a conflict in the future? A bubble of old/new magic?
Drindin 01-13-06, 10:47 PM	The Quoto have a claim on the elder necromancer status. So the real question is.. did this happen before or after the rizwell/iradro appeared? Or did the giants undergoe the ritual as a reaction to the destruction of their natural homeland (the pre rizwell hinterlands)? They can still be ancient necromancers. Hill giants (or similar) are as likely to be necromancers as anyone else is.. and they are in a nordic area. A bit of the old birfrost giant mentality. "Munch the bones.. or make them dance?" Wich would serve you better on a long winter night.. I say dancing skeleton jesters. I have this urge to say that they were pretty allright fellas (a bit on the "grim" side if you will) untill the rizwell brought destruction to the habitat they had developed in. So you think having the entire species undergo the ritual.. wow between them and the niter its like the rizwell insipiated the locals to "freeze dry" their cultures. Freeze Drying the culture would make sense. However, I think that there might have been another reason. There's a small number, right? And if they were an entire race, one might reckon this happened pre-rizwell. They foresaw the demise of their own culture. Perhaps they also had some clairvoyance, and predicted their extinction, so in reaction, they built the master crystal, and sold their souls to these shadow beasts, and in return were granted eternal 'life'. The fey might have seen this, and that's what inspired them to create the Niter, but in a different, less destructive manner. Part of the deal the Lords made with the shadow beasts might be why they go around destroying everything? And perhaps a complex vessel would be something that's 'living' but truly isn't. Like a construct of sorts, or perhaps a collossal undead, or maybe even something along the lines of what ever creates the Rizwell and the Iradra? Maybe the Rizwell and Iradra are vessells to other planes, apart from shadow?
Rny2 01-13-06, 11:06 PM	Hmm, clairovoyance, eh? But these proto-giants are supposed to be experts at necromancy, not divination. Perhaps something else saw the proto-giants' doom, and then told of this in prophetic form to the giants. Another one of the themes of this world, other than the elemental fashions, could be the preseverance of the present to save the future. How can we handle chronomancy? Time-related divination? Prophecies? The 'complex' vessels of the Rizwil and Iradro. Since they(riz-ira) contain the world, something else even more unearthly could be tieing the contained world to that of the gods/ dieties/ DM's. The gods create the 5 elemental forces to connect the divine to the mundane, and then Shin-La creates the riz/ira to control the mundane. The other complex vessels could operate in a similar way, only not as globally. Keeping the peace in hostile areas, disturbing docile population, these could be the tools of the gods, just as the simple vessels are the eyes and ears of the gods.
Drindin 01-13-06, 11:13 PM	Maybe that's what the Kaiser Dragon fall was caused by? Perhaps the complex vessells are found in various areas, and are what drive certain creatures to do different things? Maybe the second thing the Kaiser Dragon's broke WAS a complex vessell, and that's what set off a terrible chain of events leading to their eventual deevolution?
Rny2 01-13-06, 11:32 PM	There ya' go. The world 'breaks' because of the Kaiser business, and things from across the multiverse *fall in. The gods quickly responded, but some stuff leaked over (Kavu Rex etc). The world matrix, of course, shouldn't be messed with, and a patch has resided in the area ever since, never healing. Then, the Kaisers go break the vessels again, on a different scale, though. Instead of outright destroying them, the Kaisers unwittingly disturb the cosmic scale when they simultaneously create and destroy the regional vessels to better suit the magical experimentation of the Kaisers.
Drindin 01-13-06, 11:50 PM	AH, and that's why the Master Crystal was made! Perhaps a Kaiser dragon saw what was happening, and on a whim, in hopes that the rock crystal would help to stabilize things a bit, gave the giants the needed Lore to create one. For this act of trying to restore balance, by creating another minor vessel, he was given some level of mercy, and though stripped of Magic, was permitted to keep his wings, making him a legend amongst creatures. His name could be something like... 'The Last Kaiser'. However, in turn he was also given the 'blessing' of immortality, being forced to see what the effects of his kin's tampering would be through the ages.
Rny2 01-14-06, 07:40 PM	Why does a Kaiser dragon act in such a moral, selfless way? Such actions would certainly get the last Kaiser in deep trouble with the more ruinous types (the majority.) A change of heart brought about how? The legend, being famous or infamous? Did the other, lesser races know of their close call with a lifetime of spinning in space? Does Kaiser still carry that undertone of maliciousnous in his title? Problem . . . Kaisers never had wings, but anyways, perhaps they gave him divining powers of a sort? Maybe this was the reason the proto-giants knew some divination/ had divining powers though they concentrated on necromancy?
Drindin 01-14-06, 11:29 PM	Why does a Kaiser dragon act in such a moral, selfless way? Such actions would certainly get the last Kaiser in deep trouble with the more ruinous types (the majority.) A change of heart brought about how? The legend, being famous or infamous? Did the other, lesser races know of their close call with a lifetime of spinning in space? Does Kaiser still carry that undertone of maliciousnous in his title? Problem . . . Kaisers never had wings, but anyways, perhaps they gave him divining powers of a sort? Maybe this was the reason the proto-giants knew some divination/ had divining powers though they concentrated on necromancy? I believe I said kaisers HAD wings, but it was one of their last ties to their dragonkin, since they lacked a breath weapon and innate magical abilites. Though the majority of Kaisers were this desperate for magic, it did not make them intentionaly destructive. Another undragony thing about Kaisers could be the fact that no two Kaisers had the exact same morals, and no two kaisers shared similar ethics. Unlike most dragons, their alignments were not written in stone. But the Last Kaiser was not so caught up in his desperation, or perhaps he was somehow personally affected by the damage being done.
the_one_true_shea 01-19-06, 10:11 PM	Quick Note: The dead have often been portrayed as being able to see equally poorly into both the future and the past. Old greek divinations described calling up ancestors and asking them what the future held. Also just because they have a Necromantic bent - doesnt mean a few diviniations and transmutations arent available. Hmm, the Kaiser broke the world.. not once.. but twice? Their mistakes, and their attempts to fix what they had done before it went too far, lead to the formation of the Lords of Demise.. as well as others like them. So one question.. the riz-ira? Came with the first or second Kaiser breaking?
Rny2 01-19-06, 10:44 PM	why would you ask one who sees poorly in all directions for divination? Sometimes, you just don't want to know the truth. I believe the riz-ira came with the first breaking, as part of the patch, as that was the one that drove the kaisers to alternate 'magic' like riz-ira. The Kaisers, very interestingly, used same medicine (riz-ira) used to fix what they'd done in the first breaking to cause the second one. Rigid gates of riz/ira gave way to the consuming, ever-expanding things we see today.
the_one_true_shea 01-27-06, 03:58 PM	Shen-la created the first "keystones" similar to the master stones of the lords. It was the kaiser that turned the key that unleashed the consuming riz-ira?
Drindin 01-28-06, 01:59 PM	Shen-la created the first "keystones" similar to the master stones of the lords. It was the kaiser that turned the key that unleashed the consuming riz-ira? It certainly seems that way.
Rny2 01-28-06, 02:00 PM	A 'built-in' key. Interesting, hiding something in the most obvious place. Duplicates, lessers, parts, elements?
the_one_true_shea 01-28-06, 10:38 PM	It certainly seems that way. but do you like that? Does it work? with the feel of the Bladesnakes and the Kaiser? Is their action (and disgrace) .. should that action be part of a larger theme of "dragons falling" Dragons Failing? Me and Brklf Talked about making Dragons into the "missing link" created by gaia as the second species. - Basically - First were the LAR (lost ancient race) Natural born divine creatures.. perhaps connected to the fey. Then were the Dragons. A half step between mortal and divine. Then the mortal races were created. Merfolk, elves, and the ETR (gnomes or not) being possibilites for "first born mortals." The dragons are special beyond the state of animals or beasts in that (in this theory) they contain the divine spark and are inherintly tied to the mana flows. I think the idea of having them then become the "scapegoats" for alot of the crazy things works well. The dragons are not quite gods but contain the capacity to reach for godhood and fail catastrophically. Shen-la a mythical "world's heart dragon" a "dragon of many colors" is said to have split the hairs between color and less.. so to speak. Then the Kaiser and perhaps others do so as well. "When stuff is breaking.. it all comes back to the dragons." - so to say. The kaiser were using one of the keystones that began to act like a destabalize the mana. Pulling it apart. Like some sorta spindle spinning 5 colors into 2.
Rny2 01-28-06, 11:50 PM	Dragons Failing? - Basically - First were the LAR (lost ancient race) Natural born divine creatures.. perhaps connected to the fey. Then were the Dragons. A half step between mortal and divine. Then the mortal races were created. Merfolk, elves, and the ETR (gnomes or not) being possibilites for "first born mortals." The dragons are special beyond the state of animals or beasts in that (in this theory) they contain the divine spark and are inherintly tied to the mana flows. I think the idea of having them then become the "scapegoats" for alot of the crazy things works well. Since some will naturally decline and fall, with others ascend? holes in the barrier? exploitable? are those who ascend forces to fall up or float of their own accord? Stuck in the middle, a bit of everything to test new ideas on. Convenient, especially with their affinity with ley-lairs, the dragons are most accesible to the powers. The dragons are not quite gods but contain the capacity to reach for godhood and fail catastrophically. Shen-la a mythical "world's heart dragon" a "dragon of many colors" is said to have split the hairs between color and less.. so to speak. Then the Kaiser and perhaps others do so as well. "When stuff is breaking.. it all comes back to the dragons." - so to say. The kaiser were using one of the keystones that began to act like a destabalize the mana. Pulling it apart. Like some sorta spindle spinning 5 colors into 2. Is this grand movement all beyond the mortal races? A universe theatre? What effect does being infused with such grandness and singularity impose? In Shin-La's case it could be the urge to create, for others the urge to destroy. Being held so high, do the heart-dragons become closer servants and tools for the powers or potential rivals and competitors?