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| #1celestialkinMar 07, 2008 0:18:12 | http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=15266184#post15266184 Regdar's Repository is gone, so are the other 3.5 boards soon to follow? ![]() |
| #2gullasMar 07, 2008 5:54:14 | if WOTC wont drop the 3 edtion borads I'm pretty sure that they will make new "older editions boards"![]() |
| #3Seeker95Mar 07, 2008 7:20:40 | Regdar's Repository is gone, so are the other 3.5 boards soon to follow? Nope. Regdar's is currently being evaluated for how it will fit into the Boards structure, and has always required moderation that has not yet been replaced by the new administrative structure. It is the exception, not the example. |
| #4EdymnionMar 07, 2008 8:52:51 | But the 3e boards will go away. At the very most we can hope to be lumped in the Out of Print boards with 2e. |
| #5zombie_babiesMar 07, 2008 8:54:36 | They will probably have some sort of separation though, I would think. 2e and 3.X are very different animals and while both would be out of print, they'd need separate support. Hopefully this will be implemented. |
| #6EdymnionMar 07, 2008 9:03:32 | They will probably have some sort of separation though, I would think. 2e and 3.X are very different animals and while both would be out of print, they'd need separate support. Hopefully this will be implemented. Um, methinks you are missunderstanding what is going to happen here. There will no longer be official support for 3e, of any kind. No more than 2e gets official support from WotC now. When 4e launches, 3e is dead. Any and all support will be entirely from the fanbase. We don't have separate OoP boards for Chainmail/OD&D/1e/2e, why would you expect that to change for 3e? We might luck out and the 3e boards get left up for a few months after 4e comes out, but don't kid yourself. As soon as 4e is established, WotC will drop 3e like a hot potato. |
| #7zombie_babiesMar 07, 2008 9:19:11 | I didn't mean "official" support. I meant support from board members. There's no separate boards for 1e and 2e because they are similar. 3.0 broke from that rule set completely and that's why I think there may be a separate area in the OoP board for those editions. Could be wrong, of course. There's no distinction between 1e and 2 because they get no respect (unjustly, IMO), as well. 3.X was pretty well loved and it's players are a little more used to coming here for support. So I think it may get it's own little section. But who knows. It's just a guess. Just like every other post in this thread (minus Seeker's reply), including the OP. |
| #8EdymnionMar 07, 2008 11:50:43 | Even if we do get our own special little 3e OoP board, we shouldn't expect sub-forums. It would likely still end up being a single 3e board. |
| #9zombie_babiesMar 07, 2008 11:54:10 | That I can see. And yes, it will suck. |
| #10Seeker95Mar 07, 2008 12:07:27 | Then again, Gleemax seems like it is promising to be for all games, and I can see a 3e (and even a differentiated 3e v 3.5e) forum community over there. Sub-Forums and all. Depends on how that architecture goes. |
| #11cool_dude1010Mar 07, 2008 12:46:48 | It is the end of the world as we no it...REPENT,it is not to late RETURN TO 1ST EDITION!The DEATH OF DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS IS AT HAND!!!!!!!!!!!REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My only father is dead the Dungeons and Dragons Rapture called 4th edition is coming!This will be death to us all.REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| #12luis_dragunovMar 07, 2008 12:48:21 | I doubt they'll toss out the 3.5 boards as long as the edition is popular. If it does, and since I won't be changing to 4e, I've already made contigencies. |
| #13EdymnionMar 07, 2008 14:37:05 | I doubt they'll toss out the 3.5 boards as long as the edition is popular. I don't. Look at it from their perspective, as a business. Boards require monthly fees to operate, based primarily on bandwidth used. Then, moderators must be hired to keep the boards under control, which is another monthly fee. But, the boards provide immense word of mouth advertising for the product, as well as general market research and playtesting. Hence, the benefits from having the boards outweigh the costs. Now, change your product. Keeping the old boards for your old product still cost you the same amount per month, but it no longer provides you with playtesting or market research, and any word of mouth it generates is about a product you no longer make any money off of. Suddenly, you're spending thousands of dollars a month on nothing. What you do is move the boards over to your new product, so that you get those benefits that you did before. At most you leave token support for the old product as an acknowledgment that it was there, and so you can point to it whenever someone accuses you of ignoring your old stuff. The apparent kink here is that WotC claims its going to be supporting all kinds of gamers, not just users of it's products. The catch is that, while those other gamers are here, they will be bombarded with WotC advertising, with the expectation being that at least some of them will convert and start using WotC products. So, the apparent benevolent gesture in actuality is a way to lure in the general target audience (gamers), and then get them to view your advertising. So, you make minimal effort to support as many different games as possible, by giving each their own little board, while leaving the bulk of boards to be about your own products. You lure them in with their one little board, and then wait for them to get lured into participating on the larger, more well developed boards, which are all actually advertising and market research for your product. You don't invest large amounts of time and money on those boards, because it is of very little payoff for you. That means you want to give them as little bandwidth and moderator salary as possible, which means having as few boards dedicated to them as possible. Then, you put the bulk of your resources into your own areas. Just look at the boards now. How many generic system boards do you see (like the d20 Anime board), versus how many you see for WotC products? There are nearly as many boards for a small subset of D&D (like Faerun) as there are for all of the generic d20 usages. Why? Because a Magic board for a setting will always involve discussion of the latest spell that came out in one of your books, which will get the userbase interested in seeing it for themselves, so they go out and buy the book. d20 Anime doesn't really bring up anything that encourages people to buy specific WotC books, so it doesn't get focus areas. This is also the reason why individual books don't get their own forums here. The lifespan of each one of those boards will tend to be short, with the bulk of the use being shortly after the release of the book it was made for. Later on, the board will sit mostly dead. Which then just clutters up the layout, or has to be removed, requiring time and attention from salaried employees. By consolidating things, less moderators are required, less upkeep is required, and it broadens the audience that sees the free advertising for each new book. These boards have nothing to do with giving us a place to hang out and chat, and everything to do with making money. If WotC had to pay individually for everything it reaps from having these boards, they would be spending a fortune. But, they're a successful business, they know how to milk the system to get maximum profit for minimum investment, and advertising a dead system doesn't make them very much money. |
| #14luis_dragunovMar 07, 2008 18:41:54 | But what if 3.5 continues to be their top selling product? If they cut a meeting place for their customers to hang around and, not only discuss their products, but also learn about new ones, then we'll just find one of hundreds of other forums out there about tabletop gaming. I can understand WotC/Hasbro wanting to put the focus on their newfangled roleplaying system, D&D 4e, but alienating their customers isn't the way to go. The books aren't going to buy themselves. Not yet, at least. :P |
| #15EdymnionMar 07, 2008 18:49:20 | But what if 3.5 continues to be their top selling product? WotC knows better than to split it's base. You can expect all printing of 3e books to stop as soon as 4e hits the shelves. 3.5 will not continue to be a best seller, because it won't continue to be sold at all. |
| #16luis_dragunovMar 07, 2008 19:00:29 | I can sense rather nasty things about to come from my mouth - or in this case, my fingers. Not about you, of course, but about WotC. I can understand it, though. Well, at least there'll always be places to discuss a system, even if not at the elegantly-designed official forums. |
| #17celestialkinMar 07, 2008 19:09:03 | WotC knows better than to split it's base. You can expect all printing of 3e books to stop as soon as 4e hits the shelves. 3.5 will not continue to be a best seller, because it won't continue to be sold at all. Pretty much. However, it worked for Sony with it's PS3/PS2. No body was buying the PS3 for a good while, so if Sony hadn't continued support of it's PS2, which is still currently it's best seller, it would have had serious trouble. I can sense rather nasty things about to come from my mouth - or in this case, my fingers. Not about you, of course, but about WotC. I can understand it, though. Agreed. |
| #18EdymnionMar 07, 2008 19:48:35 | Pretty much. However, it worked for Sony with it's PS3/PS2. No body was buying the PS3 for a good while, so if Sony hadn't continued support of it's PS2, which is still currently it's best seller, it would have had serious trouble. Except that Sony isn't supporting the PS2 right now. It hasn't since the PS3 launched. Its the third party developers that refuse to code for the PS3, instead preferring the larger installation base of the PS2. In fact, the PS2 may actually kill the PS3 at the rate things are going. Sony wants the PS2 to die, its just that no one else will let it. |
| #19pendergrassMar 07, 2008 19:53:27 | It would be nice to get an official answer to questions such as these.![]() ***** |
| #20celestialkinMar 07, 2008 20:48:27 | Except that Sony isn't supporting the PS2 right now. It hasn't since the PS3 launched. Its the third party developers that refuse to code for the PS3, instead preferring the larger installation base of the PS2. In fact, the PS2 may actually kill the PS3 at the rate things are going. Well, they are to blame for pricing the PS3 so high in an attempt to force us to have the blueray. I could have bought both the Wii and the Xbox 360 for the price of one PS3. Greed can have a drawback. |
| #21jaelisMar 07, 2008 21:56:17 | I suppose they might keep the full 3e boards but make you subscribe to DDI to access them ![]() |
| #22EdymnionMar 07, 2008 22:32:05 | It would be nice to get an official answer to questions such as these. Not likely going to happen. Again, good business sense. You don't tell your customers that you are going to stop printing something this early, because people will stop buying it. They want you to buy 3e books right up to the day 4e launches. |
| #23bhuMar 07, 2008 22:39:12 | WotC knows better than to split it's base. You can expect all printing of 3e books to stop as soon as 4e hits the shelves. 3.5 will not continue to be a best seller, because it won't continue to be sold at all. Do they know better? Given the vitriol on the forums of late I'm wondering if they do. Any way you slice it, there will be a percentage of their base that wont convert to 4e. And at some point they'll want to do 5e to gain newer people like they're doing now, and they'll alienate some of the 4e fans as well. Any new edition of a game splits a fan base and creates problems. The real question might be : If 4e ends up tanking, will dnd be around long enough to see 5e? |
| #24celestialkinMar 07, 2008 22:48:59 | Do they know better? Given the vitriol on the forums of late I'm wondering if they do. Any way you slice it, there will be a percentage of their base that wont convert to 4e. And at some point they'll want to do 5e to gain newer people like they're doing now, and they'll alienate some of the 4e fans as well. Any new edition of a game splits a fan base and creates problems. The real question might be : If 4e ends up tanking, will dnd be around long enough to see 5e? 4e will not fail. It is practically impossible. Younger players, and many players from the MMO genre will be drawn to it. Losing a few of us older players will not have any effect. And even in the unlikely event that it does do poorly, Magic will keep them afloat well into 5.0. To take down WotC both Magic and D&D would need to fail epically simultaneously. Not very likely. |
| #25bhuMar 07, 2008 23:02:57 | 4e will not fail. It is practically impossible. Younger players, and many players from the MMO genre will be drawn to it. Losing a few of us older players will not have any effect. Yes Magic could keep it afloat unless Wizards decides "why are we supporting a product line thats a money pit?" Players from the MMO genre may be drawn to it, but it isn't as visual an experience as a real MMO. If I wanted to play a video game, I'd be playing a video game not a table top RPG. They might pick it up, but will they still stay with it when they can play the real thing online? If the old guard abandons 4e, and the MMO players dont go for it that leaves them with a smaller custmoer base than before. If it really tanks, it might be decided to be more profitable to just jetisson the line than keep it going. |
| #26luis_dragunovMar 07, 2008 23:55:12 | 4e will not fail. It is practically impossible. Never say never. Remember the titanic. Younger players, and many players from the MMO genre will be drawn to it. Losing a few of us older players will not have any effect. That definitely seems to be the aim of WotC/Hasbro. However, although MMOs and tabletop share certain mythos and imagery as far as gametype aesthetics go, they're two completely different hobbies with completely different appeals. Tabletop is about cooperative storytelling and MMOs is about cooperative gaming. They may sound similar but it will be hard to recreate the frantic 60-player siege against three other parties trying to capture a fortress for the 200 member clan when you're sitting at a table with some books and a laptop. Frankly, if they want to make a better, more fun system for D&D, go ahead but no matter how many things you cram online, how many cute character designing tools you add there or how many new supplements you release, D&D just isn't going to be the same as an MMO. Those who play MMO already pay good money for a completely different hobby that tabletop cannot emulate. And even in the unlikely event that it does do poorly, Magic will keep them afloat well into 5.0. To take down WotC both Magic and D&D would need to fail epically simultaneously. Not very likely. Oh, WotC isn't going to tank because of a failed edition of D&D. They're part of Hasbro and they've got other products as well. It's kind of like Sony with the ps3. Was the ps3 to totally fail, they wouldn't care. They'd just soldier on into the next generation. Now, ask yourself: other than novelty, what would lead players who saw 4e tank and are still playing 3.5 to go with 5e? For example, I have a fair share of books with material I haven't even USED yet. 3.5 material. Not new one either. That Elder Evils sandwiched between Exemplars of Evil and Monster Manual? I haven't even used one of those in a campaign nor have I see one in it. I haven't played a Ninja or tried a Master Transmogrifist. WotC just can't seriously expect to put out almost 100 supplements for 3.5 and then expect people who have invested thousands of dollars on the hobby to just put them away and buy a new trove. People are still hungry for 3.5, still buying, still interested. To cut away the forums for 3.5 would be like taking away your plate when you're halfway through and expect you to start eating a whole new meal, just because. |
| #27bhuMar 08, 2008 1:41:10 | Not to mention how many people have long term projects on these boards? If they arent archived and just go poof how many people will be happy about that. "Yes we know you've been working hard on this for the last year, but 3.5 is dead and we need to enforce that to get you to buy our new product. Have a nice day, yay 4.0, and **** you." No matter what they say thats how it will be perceived by many. That eats into their profits if it ticks enough people off, and makes keeping the dnd line up less attractive. Business is first and foremost about making money, with customer happiness only really a concern among the businesses who are thinking long term instead of "needz monays nao". Even if the people working on dnd are thinking long term, whose to say the parent company considers them anything other than a risky product line that only appeals to a niche audience and may not gain a return as big as the investment they put into it. |
| #28drackthorMar 08, 2008 2:00:28 | Never say never. Remember the titanic. I'll be honest, I'm getting alot closer to having a full set of books with $.X on the horizon. I got Defenders of the Faith: A Guidebook To Clerics And Paladins for, get this, $2.95, and Races of Stone, Races of The Wild, and Races of Destiny for $7.95 each. Amazon.com + 4th Edition of D&D = Mad crazy savings Man I love capitalism. |
| #29wizo_kaynMar 08, 2008 7:08:34 | moved per VCL : ) |
| #30bhuMar 08, 2008 17:08:38 | VCL?? |
| #31ZherogMar 08, 2008 18:09:25 | Volunteer Community Lead |
| #32RohanoMar 09, 2008 14:00:29 | Back to the point, I want to know if I need to get an ENWorld account so I can continue to make some of my work available for 3.5 users. Yes, that's right. I won't be the only person leaving if the 3E forums are removed or condensed into a single OOP board. 4E, Playing With Everything On the topic of books and having way too much material to use (see: "Playing With Everything Is Impossible," one of my choice phrases for when players come to me with new books and expect me to put new material into the game), I hope 4E is structured better. I don't want a dozen Monster Manuals. If there has to be so many, I want them themed so I know which to use for each situation. Either go by CR or by environment. If I'm running a low-level desert game, I want to either pick up the MM: Low Level or the MM: Desert Dangers. I don't want to rifle through 12 MMs, Sands of a Thousand Pages, Module 2375: Low-Level Boredomfest, Magic of Nonsense, Planar Catastrophies and any number of other books just to find a handful of low-level creatures. And then there still is a lack of variety in any given combat situation. Anyway, I'm just hoping that all these esteemed 4E designers have planned the books somewhat better. Having 200 different books available in a catalog is great but I want to be able to get what I want out of them. Those Races of X books could have easily been condensed into 1 book if they weren't so full of practically useless flavor material. I understand that are gruff and meanspirited - I don't need two different essays on the subject and then an encounter module that further details just how little I understand about the true meaning of gruff meanspiritedness. |
| #33Seeker95Mar 09, 2008 15:08:44 | Back to the point, I want to know if I need to get an ENWorld account so I can continue to make some of my work available for 3.5 users. Nope. Even if the 3e Boards become a single massive all-in Board on the OOP section, you can make your work available to 3e players. Whether you still want to create an ENWorld account is a completely independent matter entirely. |
| #34rulerofdarknessMar 09, 2008 17:45:50 | If these Forums are dismantled...Well....Bad things will happen. VERY bad things. *Slow smile* Know fear mortals. |
| #35apollyonschosenMar 09, 2008 19:23:44 | This whole insider thing is a load of excrement.If they take down the 3.5 forums that would be an act of open hostility.Treat the fan base with a little respect.Good lords i still spend a fortune on 3.5and i will be quite some time after 4th is released until there is enough product available to justify removing these forums.Why scorch the earth wizards?Why alienate loyal paying customers?WHY!Sorry i just wanted to rant a bit.. ![]() |
| #36EdymnionMar 09, 2008 20:13:34 | Do they know better? Given the vitriol on the forums of late I'm wondering if they do. Any way you slice it, there will be a percentage of their base that wont convert to 4e. Again, think business sense. If alienating 5% of your userbase when you change editions leads to an overall 15% increase in sales, then they don't care that they lost 5%, they only see a gain of 10%. Doesn't matter if you tick people off, as long as you bring in enough new people to replace them. |
| #37cuindlessMar 09, 2008 20:15:52 | Again, think business sense. If alienating 5% of your userbase when you change editions leads to an overall 15% increase in sales, then they don't care that they lost 5%, they only see a gain of 10%. If that's the case, then WotC really is just T$R reincarnated. |
| #38bhuMar 09, 2008 20:22:21 | Again, think business sense. If alienating 5% of your userbase when you change editions leads to an overall 15% increase in sales, then they don't care that they lost 5%, they only see a gain of 10%. Yeah but the other possibility is they alienate 15% of the user base and gain 10%. A smarter move would be increasing your customer base without alienating the ones you already have. |
| #39Seeker95Mar 10, 2008 7:27:48 | Oh.My.God. The sun is going to burn out in a few billion years. I better start complaining about it now.
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| #40ZherogMar 10, 2008 8:52:20 | And may not happen. Seriously, everything here is speculation. Some of it is reasonable and makes sense, but it's still just speculation. |
| #41EdymnionMar 10, 2008 15:56:59 | Yeah but the other possibility is they alienate 15% of the user base and gain 10%. A smarter move would be increasing your customer base without alienating the ones you already have. Heh, can't be done, IMO. If you stay the same, you will alienate people that want change. If you change, you alienate people that wanted it to stay the same. You can't please everybody all the time, so you just make as many people happy as you can, and forget about the rest. |
| #42bhuMar 13, 2008 0:11:28 | And may not happen. Seriously, everything here is speculation. Some of it is reasonable and makes sense, but it's still just speculation. Speculation which is being allowed to continue. Someone could simply say yes or no and end all the speculation. Wouldn't be too difficult. Assuming anyone is out there listening. Nudge. Nudge. |
| #43Seeker95Mar 13, 2008 7:09:00 | Someone could simply say yes or no and end all the speculation. Wouldn't be too difficult. But it would be stupid for management to do. Look at all the griping going on right now with mere speculation. Turn the speculation into confirmation of the end-of-the-world fears of some folks, and it will be worse. Regardless of the decision they announce, one group of folks or another will whine and moan about it, with long posts citing how unfair it is. Announcing early just increasing the length of time these people will complain. Much better to wait until the implementation is imminent, and at least keep the whining an moaning period somewhat more confined. |
| #44bruunwaldMar 13, 2008 14:26:03 | Pretty much. However, it worked for Sony with it's PS3/PS2. No body was buying the PS3 for a good while, so if Sony hadn't continued support of it's PS2, which is still currently it's best seller, it would have had serious trouble. The other difference from this analogy is that WoTC does not have to continue to support 3.5 in order for it to continue selling for awhile. Amazon will have to keep selling to unload its backstock, for instance. I know my local friendly hobby shop has a truckload of 3.5 books that it will keep on its shelves (likely at full price) until they slowly disappear over time, just like with 3.0 and 2nd Ed. I highly doubt WoTC offers any kind of price protection for sending out-of-date product back. So while you'll still see the stuff on shelves, you can't expect support for it, unlike with the PS2 situation, where warranties and issues with availability and prohibitive cost of new product were ongoing. Personally, I see my time and that of many others here coming to an end. 4ed is superfluous and alien at best to me. A complete heresy when I'm not feeling so magnanimous. I would like to think that I would still be useful as a font of knowledge for how to deal with players and storylines, since that's mostly what I'm good for, anyway. But without knowledge, or desire to have more knowledge of 4ed, one would not gain the respect needed to make a difference, and who wants that? Anyway, nothing lasts forever. And really, it's best. Though it's been fun to toss around opinions and ideas, online forums tend to be rather poisonous places for the soul. Likely, this is only going to get worse, the more grownups fall off the radar and are replaced with the All About Me Generation. That's what WoTC is cultivating (read: asking for), and again, who in their right mind wants that? It'll be good to move on. |
| #45cuindlessMar 16, 2008 9:23:33 | But it would be stupid for management to do. Really? I don't think any of the pro-4E crowd would be that upset if it was announced that the 3.5 boards were around to stay. Nor do I think that the "wait-and-see'ers" would be that upset either. Point of fact, the only way I see anyone getting upset is if WotC announced that the boards were being deleted and/or consolidated into a single Out Of Print board. Then the diehards would scream bloody murder, sure. |
| #46Seeker95Mar 16, 2008 12:14:15 | I don't think any of the pro-4E crowd would be that upset if it was announced that the 3.5 boards were around to stay. Exactly. So if WotC makes the announcement that the 3.5 Boards as they currently exist are being phased out (which is what they did with the 2e Boards and what happened by default to the 3.0 boards), people will gripe. If people are going to scream bloody murder because the company makes the logical-and-consistent business decision regarding the transition to its new product line, it is much better to make that screaming and whining period as short as possible. That requires delaying the announcement until the action is imminent. People will scream. They will get over it. |
| #47cuindlessMar 18, 2008 15:11:46 | So it doesn't matter who gets upset, so long as the trains run on time, eh? |
| #48Seeker95Mar 18, 2008 15:55:36 | So it doesn't matter who gets upset, so long as the trains run on time, eh? Sometimes, this is true. If I know my daughter is going to get upset when I announce that she has to take a bath before going to bed, it is unwise of me to make that announcement during dinner. She is going to get upset. She is going to take a bath before bedtime. Making the announcement at dinner only serves to make dinner unpleasant. And yes, I am comparing the anti-4e crowd, the anti-Gleemax crowd, and the anti-Boards-change crowd to my five year old daughter; and 4e, Gleemax, and Boards change to the bath. |
| #49bhuMar 21, 2008 2:44:48 | Sometimes, this is true. You could pretty much make that comparison to both sides... |
| #50AirosMar 21, 2008 6:13:32 | Sometimes, this is true. Except your daughter isn't paying you money to take care of her, and you don't provide her with a public forum in which to disagree with your decision to bathe her. ;) I accept your point, and I understand that there are more than a few "temper tantrums" here on the boards, (I've had my share), but I think there's also a near equal number of posters who have brought up fair and valid points against some of the proposed changes that may come about in the future. If we don't complain about what we don't like, then WotC won't know what changes to make. I disagree with you point about making the "screaming and whining" as short as possible, since it would be nice if the company included the community in more of the decision making process. Waiting until the last moment, when the transition is imminent as you put it, gives us little time to adapt, gives us little time to weigh in on how we the community as a whole feel about the transition, and gives WotC little time to implement changes if any aspect of the transition is rejected by the majority. Every aspect of the Dungeons and Dragons game centers on community; be it communication between players and DMs, a group of friends, even strangers, coming together to share in a common interest, or the discussion of the past, present and future of the rules. Taking the community out of the business of Dungeons and Dragons doesn't feel right to me. You view this like you view your 5 year old daughter; You, (the company), know what's best for her, (the consumer), and will carry out those actions regardless of rejection from her. To avoid upsetting her, you wait until the last second to tell her about something you know she's not going to like, (forum changes, 4th edition). My view is like an election; The candidate, (WotC), has to impress me, (the voter), ahead of time because there are other candidates which are also trying to get my vote, (money). There should be an open dialog between the the voter and the candidate, even if it's not completely direct as in the case of debates between the candidates or interviews with journalists. That's where these forums come into play. The candidates, at some point, have to answer questions about topics that the voters want answered, and it's seems to me that the people who go to public rallies, protests or the like get their questions answered first, since they're the group that's making the most noise. I believe that it's our responsibility to make sure that the company knows ahead of time how we feel. In the end, they're going to make a business decision which targets the largest group, since that group will make the company the most money. If I'm "out voted", then that's fine, but I've at least made my opinion known. |
| #51ZherogMar 21, 2008 7:06:47 | Another reason for WotC to avoid announcing anything right now is the fact that once they do, it makes it harder to change their mind. Delaying an announcement gives them more time to make a final decision. |
| #52bhuMar 22, 2008 1:11:45 | Another reason for WotC to avoid announcing anything right now is the fact that once they do, it makes it harder to change their mind. Delaying an announcement gives them more time to make a final decision. true, but announcing it earlier gives people time to save stuff off if they're working on projects, and make plans if necessary. Making the forums just go poof would alienate a great many people. |
| #53ORC_ParadoxMar 22, 2008 2:23:50 | The 3e forums would probably be set to read only or archived or some such. Having said that, it's ALWAYS a good idea to save material you want saved, and not wait for something that might or might not happen. Don't forget, if there's a huge database crash and everything goes, there's nothing you can do about it when it's too late. |
| #54xiuhcoatlMar 22, 2008 6:56:58 | Don't forget, if there's a huge database crash and everything goes, there's nothing you can do about it when it's too late. It'd be rather convenient to have a huge database crash around the launch of the 4e product line... |
| #55rulerofdarknessApr 07, 2008 18:55:44 | It'd be rather convenient to have a huge database crash around the launch of the 4e product line... Don't give them any idea's. |
| #56EdymnionApr 07, 2008 20:27:16 | Yes, that's right. I won't be the only person leaving if the 3E forums are removed or condensed into a single OOP board. I need to look up the URL to the Nifty Boards again. I made an account there years ago, and many good friends that left these boards are there. When the 3e boards go down here, it might finally be time for this old horse to put himself out to pasture with the other old farts. |
| #57rulerofdarknessApr 07, 2008 21:32:16 | I need to look up the URL to the Nifty Boards again. I made an account there years ago, and many good friends that left these boards are there. I suggest we form a angry mob and strom Wizard's HQ. |
| #58ZherogApr 08, 2008 7:08:12 | I need to look up the URL to the Nifty Boards again. I made an account there years ago, and many good friends that left these boards are there. We recently moved, actually. http://www.niftymessageboard.com . If you can't get your password reset for whatever reason (most common is the wrong e-mail address in your profile), drop me a PM here or an e-mail. |
| #59cuindlessApr 12, 2008 0:26:22 | The 3e forums would probably be set to read only or archived or some such. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the more I read this post the more it sounds like a heads up to me... |
| #60ORC_ParadoxApr 12, 2008 3:23:21 | It's NOT a heads up. Just the usual advice I always give out. Like be sure to change your password. Or back up your own computer files. |
| #61AirosApr 12, 2008 6:03:06 | It's NOT a heads up. Just the usual advice I always give out. Like be sure to change your password. Or back up your own computer files. Heads up or no, the boards will be undergoing changes in the near future. Just take a look at all the threads Gamer_Zer0 has started here in the With only 6 planned forums for 3rd edition, I personally find it unlikely that all the currently active threads will be migrated. I hope to be proven wrong, but it's been said by many people, (none of whom have any actual control over the situation), that the most likely case would be these forums being "read-only" until they move into the archives. Until we can get a straight answer from Gamer_Zer0, (keeping in mind the fact that the legal team, non-discloser agreements and the daily changes being made by the entire company prevent him from being able to do so right now), I think the best course of action would be for the community to begin collecting all their work they want moved along with the boards. It's the only way to guarantee the stuff we want to stick around will stick around. And be sure to save it to a floppy disk/CD-ROM, since you never know if your computer will crash. :P |
| #62ORC_ParadoxApr 12, 2008 6:13:53 | And be sure to save it to a floppy disk/CD-ROM, since you never know if your computer will crash. :P QFT. That's what I'm saying. I once had a hard drive crash on me, and it had all my RPG stuff on it. Not fun at all. |
| #63wrecanApr 12, 2008 7:04:23 | And be sure to save it to a floppy disk/CD-ROM, since you never know if your computer will crash. :P That's why I employ a team of engravers who are transcribing all my Drunk DM Competition entries into the marble sides of my obelisk. -Ozymandius |