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Dungeon Delve and Dungeon Tiles

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#1
dayzdark
Apr 11, 2009 0:23:18 Dungeon Delve came out last month, and it is full of awesome. One problem I'm having is it appears that some of the Dungeon Tile sets it uses are currently out of print (Hall of the Giant Kings, in particular, but Dire Tombs and Streets of Shadow are currently out of stock on Amazon, which doesn't bode well).

It would seem prudent, in light of the recent release of a supplement that all but demands access to particular Dungeon Tiles packs, to make the ones mentioned in Dungeon Delve available for customer purchase. They're good on their own merits (I'm currently only missing one set mentioned in Dungeon Delve, though I lack the double-sets some of the delves suggest), but since you've got a book with the potential to drive sales of these game aids, you might as well not make it difficult to buy them.

Please, let me give you more of my money! I'd rather pay you $10 to fill in the gaps in my collection than pay someone $80+ in a secondary market for Hall of the Giant Kings. Can we please get a reprint of the more recent sets?
#2
Ktulu
Apr 11, 2009 2:16:41 SECONDED WITH CAPITAL LETTERS!

I missed out on this set and would love to get a couple.
#3
samwise
Apr 12, 2009 21:00:05 I found Streets of Shadow at one online retailer, and Arcane Towers, Lost Cavers, Dire Tombs, and Fane of the Forgotten at another. (I do not want to post commercial links though, that part of the CoC confuses me.)

The whole series is on my "buy early, buy often" list. Good luck getting those.
#4
sjmcc13
Apr 13, 2009 18:05:05 I think a re-print of some sets would be nice, need a second copy of DU1 and DU3 to be able to make every delve.
#5
Seeker95
Apr 13, 2009 21:04:12 All of the maps for Dungeon Delve are available for download for free on the WotC site.
#6
Authw8
Apr 14, 2009 14:27:39 Yeah, but those need to be blown up and printed etc. Plus, they'll never look as nice as the actual tiles.

I would love it if they reprinted all the old sets, I would buy them the moment they released. It is a shame that they have a product that could really fuel these sales, and they aren't taking advantage of it to the fullest.
#7
onceuponatime
Apr 14, 2009 14:40:53 This is WotC we are talking about. Their judgment is somewhat confusing at the best of times...
#8
Seeker95
Apr 14, 2009 15:49:03 The downloadable maps look fine to me. But I have a ddi account.

As for whether folks would like them to be reprinted or not, that is independent of the need for Dungeon Delve. If someone feels they *need* the maps for Dungeon Delve, WotC has made them available. If folks *want* this now out of print product, they shoudl write to the publisher (customer service) and request it.
#9
jputman
Apr 15, 2009 16:57:30 I can agree with the above parties, having access to the Dungeon Tiles for use with the Dungeon Delve book would be great. It would really be helpful for those whom run RPGA games at local stores, as the Delves are great starting points.
#10
Seeker95
Apr 15, 2009 21:03:23 Perhaps I wrote in a foreign language in the previous two posts in which I already said this. For added visibility...

The Delve Maps are available for download:

Dungeon Delve Maps

All of them. All 120 maps.If you don't have a DDI account, then you have to download them one at a time. Right click on each map and save link as (do not just save the image, or you get the thumbnail instead).
#11
sjmcc13
Apr 15, 2009 21:42:11
Perhaps I wrote in a foreign language in the previous two posts in which I already said this. For added visibility...

The Delve Maps are available for download:

We are aware, however for some of us the images are insufficient. as there are drawbacks to printing them off, and getting the images ot the right scale is not necessarially a given either.

Plus there is an interest in just gtting more tiles anyway, for custom dungeons, Delve is just a catalist towards the want
#12
dayzdark
Apr 15, 2009 23:28:10 Seeker95: I know you mean well, but there are a number of factors that cause me to prefer buying Dungeon Tiles over printing maps. Most are a matter of personal taste, but that in no way means they're irrational.

First, resizing and printing maps takes more time and effort then dropping Dungeon Tiles, which means more prep time for me as a DM. As I already spend tons of time preparing each week, I don't really need another mindless prep chore to distract me from the parts of prep that actually increase my players' enjoyment.

Second, printing full color maps burns through ink, which isn't exactly cheap. We've already seen people on these boards advocating the elimination of some unnecessary graphics in Dragon and Dungeon to reduce these costs, and neither magazine involves full pages of color. I wouldn't have to print many maps before the cost of one use maps exceeds the price of the Dungeon Tiles sets I'm missing.

Third, it's not like I only use the tiles for WotC-designed dungeons. On the contrary, I make most of my own maps, and the Dungeon Tiles shorten both pre-session prep time and the amount of time it takes me to change the map between encounters. I can draw the maps on the mat, certainly, but not only do my artistic skills leave much to be desired, it actually takes me forever to draw all but the simplest maps.

Fourth and finally, the Dungeon Tiles are just plain heavier and more durable than printer paper arts and crafts. They don't get scattered by a sneeze, obliterated by a spilled drink, or moved by a stray hand repositioning a miniature. Even when someone manages to roll a die into the playing area, knocking minis helter skelter, the tiles seldom move more than a few millimeters.

I like the Dungeon Tiles. I buy and use them regularly. It just made me sad when I got my hands on Dungeon Delve and discovered that I'd have to either draw/print several of the maps in it or just opt not to use those delves. It just seemed a bit like releasing PHB2 and then announcing that anyone who didn't have a DDI subscription as of October 2008 wouldn't have access to the PHB2 content in the Character Builder. It just seems unnecessary.

If these things aren't earning out, or if the cost of reprinting sets is too high to make it worthwhile, I can understand those reasons. I still think it could have been better planned, but business is business.

But telling us that we don't need the Dungeon Tiles because we can print the maps is a bit like telling us we don't need dice because there are plenty of electronic random number generators out there that work just as well - or that we don't need a battle mat and minis as long as we're willing to install mapping software on our computers and display the map on our TVs. You'd be right, but you're missing the point. Some people *like* to roll dice. Some people aren't *interested* looking at a map on a TV screen. And some people would *like* to be able to get their hands on out of print Dungeon Tiles so they can *use* them, whether to run the encounters in Dungeon Delve or to run their own.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 dayzdark Apr 11, 2009 0:23:18	Dungeon Delve came out last month, and it is full of awesome. One problem I'm having is it appears that some of the Dungeon Tile sets it uses are currently out of print (Hall of the Giant Kings, in particular, but Dire Tombs and Streets of Shadow are currently out of stock on Amazon, which doesn't bode well). It would seem prudent, in light of the recent release of a supplement that all but demands access to particular Dungeon Tiles packs, to make the ones mentioned in Dungeon Delve available for customer purchase. They're good on their own merits (I'm currently only missing one set mentioned in Dungeon Delve, though I lack the double-sets some of the delves suggest), but since you've got a book with the potential to drive sales of these game aids, you might as well not make it difficult to buy them. Please, let me give you more of my money! I'd rather pay you $10 to fill in the gaps in my collection than pay someone $80+ in a secondary market for Hall of the Giant Kings. Can we please get a reprint of the more recent sets?
#2 Ktulu Apr 11, 2009 2:16:41	SECONDED WITH CAPITAL LETTERS! I missed out on this set and would love to get a couple.
#3 samwise Apr 12, 2009 21:00:05	I found Streets of Shadow at one online retailer, and Arcane Towers, Lost Cavers, Dire Tombs, and Fane of the Forgotten at another. (I do not want to post commercial links though, that part of the CoC confuses me.) The whole series is on my "buy early, buy often" list. Good luck getting those.
#4 sjmcc13 Apr 13, 2009 18:05:05	I think a re-print of some sets would be nice, need a second copy of DU1 and DU3 to be able to make every delve.
#5 Seeker95 Apr 13, 2009 21:04:12	All of the maps for Dungeon Delve are available for download for free on the WotC site.
#6 Authw8 Apr 14, 2009 14:27:39	Yeah, but those need to be blown up and printed etc. Plus, they'll never look as nice as the actual tiles. I would love it if they reprinted all the old sets, I would buy them the moment they released. It is a shame that they have a product that could really fuel these sales, and they aren't taking advantage of it to the fullest.
#7 onceuponatime Apr 14, 2009 14:40:53	This is WotC we are talking about. Their judgment is somewhat confusing at the best of times...
#8 Seeker95 Apr 14, 2009 15:49:03	The downloadable maps look fine to me. But I have a ddi account. As for whether folks would like them to be reprinted or not, that is independent of the need for Dungeon Delve. If someone feels they need the maps for Dungeon Delve, WotC has made them available. If folks want this now out of print product, they shoudl write to the publisher (customer service) and request it.
#9 jputman Apr 15, 2009 16:57:30	I can agree with the above parties, having access to the Dungeon Tiles for use with the Dungeon Delve book would be great. It would really be helpful for those whom run RPGA games at local stores, as the Delves are great starting points.
#10 Seeker95 Apr 15, 2009 21:03:23	Perhaps I wrote in a foreign language in the previous two posts in which I already said this. For added visibility... The Delve Maps are available for download: Dungeon Delve Maps All of them. All 120 maps.If you don't have a DDI account, then you have to download them one at a time. Right click on each map and save link as (do not just save the image, or you get the thumbnail instead).
#11 sjmcc13 Apr 15, 2009 21:42:11	Perhaps I wrote in a foreign language in the previous two posts in which I already said this. For added visibility... The Delve Maps are available for download: We are aware, however for some of us the images are insufficient. as there are drawbacks to printing them off, and getting the images ot the right scale is not necessarially a given either. Plus there is an interest in just gtting more tiles anyway, for custom dungeons, Delve is just a catalist towards the want
#12 dayzdark Apr 15, 2009 23:28:10	Seeker95: I know you mean well, but there are a number of factors that cause me to prefer buying Dungeon Tiles over printing maps. Most are a matter of personal taste, but that in no way means they're irrational. First, resizing and printing maps takes more time and effort then dropping Dungeon Tiles, which means more prep time for me as a DM. As I already spend tons of time preparing each week, I don't really need another mindless prep chore to distract me from the parts of prep that actually increase my players' enjoyment. Second, printing full color maps burns through ink, which isn't exactly cheap. We've already seen people on these boards advocating the elimination of some unnecessary graphics in Dragon and Dungeon to reduce these costs, and neither magazine involves full pages of color. I wouldn't have to print many maps before the cost of one use maps exceeds the price of the Dungeon Tiles sets I'm missing. Third, it's not like I only use the tiles for WotC-designed dungeons. On the contrary, I make most of my own maps, and the Dungeon Tiles shorten both pre-session prep time and the amount of time it takes me to change the map between encounters. I can draw the maps on the mat, certainly, but not only do my artistic skills leave much to be desired, it actually takes me forever to draw all but the simplest maps. Fourth and finally, the Dungeon Tiles are just plain heavier and more durable than printer paper arts and crafts. They don't get scattered by a sneeze, obliterated by a spilled drink, or moved by a stray hand repositioning a miniature. Even when someone manages to roll a die into the playing area, knocking minis helter skelter, the tiles seldom move more than a few millimeters. I like the Dungeon Tiles. I buy and use them regularly. It just made me sad when I got my hands on Dungeon Delve and discovered that I'd have to either draw/print several of the maps in it or just opt not to use those delves. It just seemed a bit like releasing PHB2 and then announcing that anyone who didn't have a DDI subscription as of October 2008 wouldn't have access to the PHB2 content in the Character Builder. It just seems unnecessary. If these things aren't earning out, or if the cost of reprinting sets is too high to make it worthwhile, I can understand those reasons. I still think it could have been better planned, but business is business. But telling us that we don't need the Dungeon Tiles because we can print the maps is a bit like telling us we don't need dice because there are plenty of electronic random number generators out there that work just as well - or that we don't need a battle mat and minis as long as we're willing to install mapping software on our computers and display the map on our TVs. You'd be right, but you're missing the point. Some people like to roll dice. Some people aren't interested looking at a map on a TV screen. And some people would like to be able to get their hands on out of print Dungeon Tiles so they can use them, whether to run the encounters in Dungeon Delve or to run their own.