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#1 markustay63 Jan 29, 2009 18:35:43	I was thinking I need a confessional. So I was just going through my D&D stuff, and I was looking at the 4ePH... and the last couple of threads I posted in had to do with rectifying the 4e lore with older lore... and I decided to roll-up a character. I started going throught the first part of the book, trying decide what I would like to be, when it hit me... Just what in god's name was I thinking? Is there a support group out there somewhere? I fear I'm growing weak, and I may need a 'go-to' person to help me through the rough patches...
#2 eldritch_lord Jan 29, 2009 19:37:28	Welcome, my son. It has been a while since your last session. Tell me of your sins: So I was just going through my D&D stuff, and I was looking at the 4ePH... and the last couple of threads I posted in had to do with rectifying the 4e lore with older lore... and I decided to roll-up a character. I started going throught the first part of the book, trying decide what I would like to be, when it hit me... Just what in god's name was I thinking? Is there a support group out there somewhere? I fear I'm growing weak, and I may need a 'go-to' person to help me through the rough patches... Now, now, my son, this is only a venial sin of which you are unburdening yourself. Different D&D editions are different denominations of the same religion: We are all one, united in our love for our game. We are all nerds, united in the gamer culture we so cherish. We are all players, united in escaping the cruelties of this world for the bounties and XP of the next. We are all DMs, united in creating worlds of wonder, joy, and fantasy. And we are all D&D players, united in disdaining players of those systems-which-shall-not-be-named. Know that a momentary lapse in judgment shall not affect your PCs, for the first commandment is Thou shalt have fun, not Thou shalt support only a single edition. As long as you enjoy your preferred edition, you can look back with no sense of guilt; your burden has been lifted. Rise, my son, absolved of your transgressions. Game, and have fun, and drink Mountain Dew, and be merry. Your penance is to say five Our Pelors and one Hail Mystra before your next game session, and to not argue with your DM over the next rules issue that comes up. Now, be absolved of your sins, and go in the name of the Gygax, and of the Arneson, and of the Natural 20s. Amen.
#3 Therise Jan 29, 2009 19:39:32	I was thinking I need a confessional. So I was just going through my D&D stuff, and I was looking at the 4ePH... and the last couple of threads I posted in had to do with rectifying the 4e lore with older lore... and I decided to roll-up a character. I started going throught the first part of the book, trying decide what I would like to be, when it hit me... Just what in god's name was I thinking? Is there a support group out there somewhere? I fear I'm growing weak, and I may need a 'go-to' person to help me through the rough patches... Er, if you decided that you liked 4E Realms after all, it would be a little strange, but really you should play whatever makes you happy.
#4 phelf_der_zemit Jan 29, 2009 20:05:23	You want the basics. Pick something you want to build off of (i.e, a specific race or class) and from there you maximize it's abiliites. If you want to be an elf then your best choice would be ranger or cleric. Say you want to be a cleric. Then choose a cleric style that fits your fancy. With your high wisdom and dex you'll want to stay away from fighting for squeshiness sake and pump up your healing prays while using your bow to max effect. Pick through your feats maximizing your effectiness in your choosen place of usefullness. Over all 4e is very player friendly. Really it's too player friendly.. takes alot of the characterization out of it and metagaming becomes way to easy. True blue D&D fans should stick with 3.5 for it's ability to completely custimize your character. If you just a want a board game that is one step above Risk go for 4e. It's fun and easy to learn. In fact I'd introduce people to 4e then 3.5 so they get the lagistics down before they become brain soggy with 3.5 abundences of rules.
#5 lord_karsus Jan 29, 2009 20:10:11	-That's funny, especially Eldritch_Lord's response, but I am going to have to have this thread closed. Sorry.
#6 rauric Jan 29, 2009 20:20:48	Just like your sig says Markus, play what ya like. I think I am a "true blue D&D fan" (whatever the hell that means) and I am having fun with the game. I am roleplaying the heck out of my gnome artificer. It is great. I love that I can take a feat in some skill my class does not offer and "bam" I am now better in it. Plus the dragonborn are gonna make great sorcerers mechanically speaking with their +2 to Cha and Str. PH2 is going to make pc ideas even more expansive. Just like every RPG game the more splat book that appear the more "customizeable" a game will become. I had fun with the last 3.5 game I ran also but this version is easier for me to run and spend time with my wife and kids. It still is fun. It is not like when 3E came out and I looked at 2E stuff and said "never again!" ;)
#7 BadCatMan Jan 29, 2009 22:10:10	If you're playing in 4e in a core or home-brew world, then that's not a problem. It's only if you indulge in the heresy of 4e FR, then you've got problems. :D I find making a 4e character rather dull at first. Powers are all roughly the same, variations on a theme for each role. Feats are really bland. The sourcebooks themselves are boring. But it does seem to get more interesting in actual play, when say you realise that Marking a guy over there is going to force him to approach you if he wants to avoid penalties, but sets him up for an AoO from your ally (read: you distract with some attacks and lure him into an ambush). 4e combat is much more tactical. But everything's so well-balanced, it's almost impossible to make a poor character. I don't even feel so bad for my Tiefling Fighter. You have to work hard to screw up. That's a good thing, you don't pale in comparison to a caster. But it's impossible to really be bad at anything in 4e, if that's your thing, just not as good as another guy. Now if only I could find a pbp 4e game that lasts and doesn't fill up in minutes...
#8 kerym_ammath Jan 29, 2009 22:51:01	Well I just have a couple of things to say to you. I have been roleplaying since 1979, and have never been completely dedicated to any one game. Different systems have different strengths. That being said some have gotten more use than others, but for the purposes of this comment I will restrict myself to D&D. I have mostly DM'd throughout my history with D&D. I played D&D 1st edition a whole lot. 2nd edition less. 3rd barely at all, even though at it's initial blush I thought it would last as long as 1st. Well I was wrong everything I thought I wanted, I did. I thought 3rd had delivered it, but the more I played with it the more I realized it just gave me everything I thought I wanted. In the long run it was all a lie to me, and for everything that was supposedly a strength I had to houserule, at which point I went back to systems I did not have to houserule to the tune of 20+ pages. Enter 4th edition, and I am as enthused as I was with 1st edition. It's like being a gaming virgin again, and the best part is I have gotten completely new players acting like veteran roleplayers in a matter of weeks. I know your experience might vary, but keep an open mind and don't over analyze. At first I thought 4th edition was going to be D&D Exalted Anime. Then I sat myself down and said to myself that a kneejerk reaction is the last thing I needed. I had spent the money on the core books the least they deserved was a really good look. Well my players and I are really happy I gave it a real chance. Regardless play what you like, there is no need to feel guilty over it whatever edition you play. Of course we could all get together and play some Villains and Vigilantes instead. Game on!:D
#9 serphet Jan 29, 2009 23:02:58	I was thinking I need a confessional. So I was just going through my D&D stuff, and I was looking at the 4ePH... and the last couple of threads I posted in had to do with rectifying the 4e lore with older lore... and I decided to roll-up a character. I started going throught the first part of the book, trying decide what I would like to be, when it hit me... Just what in god's name was I thinking? Is there a support group out there somewhere? I fear I'm growing weak, and I may need a 'go-to' person to help me through the rough patches... It's fun to play! Hard to fall in love with though.