For example:
New Classes
New Monsters
Art
Fan Fiction
Maps
Campaigns
Adventures
We could also add a second forum which we could call the Best Of D&D Community Creations, where we'd have some system where the really good stuff gets copied/moved over to the a forum that is read only.
Let me know your thoughts.
This would make it clear where.
-I don't know about the fan-fiction part, though. In the past, there have been 'complications' with fan-fiction posts being posted on these boards.
-A good idea. A good name, too.
-I don't know about the fan-fiction part, though. In the past, there have been 'complications' with fan-fiction posts being posted on these boards.
you mean the bit about WotC owning anything posted on here sicne the ToS or the CoC got last updated?
you mean the bit about WotC owning anything posted on here sicne the ToS or the CoC got last updated?
Except that isn't true.
Not in the slightest.
you mean the bit about WotC owning anything posted on here sicne the ToS or the CoC got last updated?
-Yeah.
Except that isn't true.
Not in the slightest.
-Are you sure about that? There was certainly some conflict about this exact thing from a certain poster a few months ago.
New Classes
New Monsters
New Races
Campaigns
Adventures
Maps
Then put Art & Fan Fiction in it's own area.
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Except that isn't true.
Not in the slightest.
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Then what exactly does that mean?
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Then what exactly does that mean?
This is actually fairly standard language on forum ToS's
What you write on forums copyrighted by you, if you do not effectively give away you copyrights (by a clause like that above), then the moderators are in violation of certain IP statues (mostly buried in the DMCA laws) when they delete posts.
From Paradox Interactive's Forums
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Would be interesting to hear(read) what kind of system your looking at to decide what gets copied over to the read only forum?
some sort of peer review perhaps?
votes?
Izzy
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Then what exactly does that mean?
It means that you give WotC permission to use any works that you develop and print on their forums. However, you still own the rights to your idea. That section does not remove any of your rights. You can still do what you want with your idea.
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Back on topic... I'll voice a dissenting opinion. In the past, stuff like this went in the appropriate subject matter forum -- new classes went on the classes forum, new monsters went in the monster forum, and so on.
Why would we move away from that model?
I'll counter the original proposal with the following: Allow the fan-created material to be placed in the existing forums, as has always been done. However, the "best of" forum idea is quite rocktastic, and would be a fine way to highlight some of the very awesome ideas that get posted around here.
I like the idea for Community Creations, though I agree with those who said Art and Fanfiction belong elsewhere. Also, would this render Adventure and Campaign Workshop redundant?
Also, I agree with the fan fiction stuff. Best to keep it elsewhere.
General forums are also quite time-oriented. They are set up to show you what people are talking about right now. A place for original content is more about showing you what fans have accomplished in the last 3 months, or year, or whatever than about the latest hot topic.
It means that you give WotC permission to use any works that you develop and print on their forums. However, you still own the rights to your idea. That section does not remove any of your rights. You can still do what you want with your idea.
Err, no. It does remove some of your rights. You retain ownership but you have lost the rights to determine when, if, and how your copyrighted material is used by WotC.
Nor is it limited to the forums. It's fairly draconian, possibly not enforceable, and definitely not worth taking the risk with. That being said I doubt WotC would take any material from here and use it.
Any content creator is much better served posting a link to another site with their content. It's foolish to put copyrighted material here.
That said, I still disagree that all this material needs to be gathered into one place. As I said, under the old forum organization all this sort of stuff went into the forum with the most-pertinent topic. Just for an example, if you went into the old "Spells and Magic" forum, you would find a healthy mix of homebrewed spells, homebrewed magic items, and questions about WotC-published spells or magic items. The forum was alive and jumping and had some really wonderful people who knew their stuff, even if I didn't always agree with their opinions.
I'm not away of anybody ever saying the forum was difficult to navigate, or anything like that.
Err, no. It does remove some of your rights. You retain ownership but you have lost the rights to determine when, if, and how your copyrighted material is used by WotC.
Nor is it limited to the forums. It's fairly draconian, possibly not enforceable, and definitely not worth taking the risk with. That being said I doubt WotC would take any material from here and use it.
Any content creator is much better served posting a link to another site with their content. It's foolish to put copyrighted material here.
Perhaps we should relax a bit about the anti-capitalistic feeling, first...
Second, unless you want to publish, is that even important? I'd be actually *honored' if my idea found way in an official publcation *as long as I have a thank*.
Perhaps we should relax a bit about the anti-capitalistic feeling, first...
Who is anti-capitalistic? Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
Second, unless you want to publish, is that even important? I'd be actually *honored' if my idea found way in an official publcation *as long as I have a thank*.
That is up to each individual to decide. The fact remains, you are giving up rights.
Err, no. It does remove some of your rights. You retain ownership but you have lost the rights to determine when, if, and how your copyrighted material is used by WotC.
I said in the phrase immediately prior to my bolded part that by posting it to the WotC forums you were giving WotC permission to use it (or not)how they see fit.
I don't see how what I wrote *doesn't* make that perfectly clear.
I said in the phrase immediately prior to my bolded part that by posting it to the WotC forums you were giving WotC permission to use it (or not)how they see fit.
I don't see how what I wrote *doesn't* make that perfectly clear.
No, you said:
It means that you give WotC permission to use any works that you develop and print on their forums. However, you still own the rights to your idea. That section does not remove any of your rights. You can still do what you want with your idea.
The first sentence is true. The second sentence is true. The third is completely false. The fourth is partially true.
You are giving up rights there are no two ways about it.
Who is anti-capitalistic? Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.
That is up to each individual to decide. The fact remains, you are giving up rights.
It's a classic anticorporatist stance.
And?
Perhaps we could stick to the topic of the thread, and hash out the idea of where custom content should be posted (and how)?
Huh.
In any case, anyone reading my post with a desire to understand will find what I wrote to be quite clear.
I apologize for the partial thread derailment G0.
It's a classic anticorporatist stance.
And?
I don't think you even realize what those words mean, not that "anticorporatist" is a word. So we're done here.
Perhaps we could stick to the topic of the thread, and hash out the idea of where custom content should be posted (and how)?
-Well, the "original content rights" discussion is somewhat relevant. Maybe not on topic, but relevant in regards to the topic. Perhaps G0 can offer some elaboration, being that he's the big cheese.
Putting all of the homebrew stuff in one area will make it easier for people looking specifically for homebrew stuff to find it.
At the same time, leaving it with the duscussion about similar stuff from WotC makes it more likely that the people that will discuss it will b interested in the idea and will be knowedgeable in the topic.
Thinking about it, I would have to revise my original agreement with the plan. Leave the house-ruled stuff with the rest of the stuff in the similar vein.
However, I do agree that having a forum where homebrewed stuff is collected would be easier.
One possibility is the following: Have a weekly vote by regulars in the forum (public or private) over whether any of the homebrewed stuff has reached a state of completion and should be included in the homebrew forum or some other manner of choosing some to be moved.
The D&D Community Creations, would replace the "Best of". It gives a place that is easy to find new homebrewed creations that are complete, while allowing those that may need help a place where they can find it. I don't like the idea of a "Best of" as it can be discouraging to members that are new to the homebrewing arena.