I am out if here!

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#1

Talcoram_Cyndar

Sep 02, 2009 10:43:10

Sorry WotC, but these new forums or whatever you want to call them are just too painful to read. Too much white space, threads I have read highlighted in bright fuschia? WTH? I close my eyes after looking at a forums page and have retina burn and a headache.

In addition, the way sub-forums are currently listed makes it extremely difficult to find what I am looking for.

I did not ask to Beta test your half-butted attempt to create whatever you are attempting to create here. If you want me to test it for you, first you should ask me and then pay me for the trouble of finding all your screw-ups.

I enjoyed the old forums. They were easy to read and navigate. Simple, yet functional. What we have here is a case of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".  The forums wern't broke, so why did you try to fix them?


For now at least I am migrating over to enworld.  I'll check in from time to time to see if you managed to get things fixed. If and/or when that happens, I might come back, but for now at least...


I am out of here!
-TC

#2

drnick

Sep 02, 2009 10:48:20

Bye! Good luck with whatever you decide to do in life.

#3

Seeker95

Sep 02, 2009 15:29:43

Probably a wise idea. ALthough the ego-boosting farewell coupled with attitude tends to be a testament to character. Be careful with such things. Pretend the internet isn't anonymous.

In any case, have fun at ENWorld and check back in a month and see if the techs managed to address the problems to your liking.

#4

kratch

Sep 02, 2009 17:06:33

I did not ask to Beta test your half-butted attempt to create whatever you are attempting to create here. If you want me to test it for you, first you should ask me and then pay me for the trouble of finding all your screw-ups.



As the alternative was for WotC to leave the boards down until completed, your no worst off by not participating in the Beta then if they hadn't done it. Me on the otherhand, I preffer the Beta, as it gives me something to use plus also allows me to offer my personal feedback in order to help develope the community how I'd like to see it. there is no assurance that anything I offer will have an impact, but I like the idea that it may.
#5

Qube

Sep 03, 2009 5:13:24

(question, why did you start a new thread to complain about features? link )


I close my eyes after looking at a forums page and have retina burn and a headache.

I would seriously suggest lowering the brightness of your screen.

 


I am out of here!
-TC

adios. good luck.
#6

Arawn76

Sep 03, 2009 17:44:55

I am out of here!
-TC




Watch those doors on the way........ouch!


Tongue out

#7

mkill

Sep 04, 2009 1:30:39


I did not ask to Beta test your half-butted attempt to create whatever you are attempting to create here. If you want me to test it for you, first you should ask me and then pay me for the trouble of finding all your screw-ups.

 

As the alternative was for WotC to leave the boards down until completed, your no worst off by not participating in the Beta then if they hadn't done it. Me on the otherhand, I preffer the Beta, as it gives me something to use plus also allows me to offer my personal feedback in order to help develope the community how I'd like to see it. there is no assurance that anything I offer will have an impact, but I like the idea that it may.



I don't get what you're defending here. Are you saying WotC only has one server? Nobody forced WotC to take the old forum down at all. Any professional administrator would have left the old board up and put the new one up as a separate, public beta. With a VM, you don't even need new iron, just some spare storage and processing power. Only when the new system works flawlessly you start to migrate. System Administration 101.


WotC screwed this up, there is no denying the fact. I'll keep looking here maybe once per week if anything has been fixed. So far, it's still atrocious. I just tried to send someone a PM but it didn't work because he's not on my friends list or something.


I'll be at Enworld and rpg.net until all issues here are fixed. I don't have bad feelings against WotC as such, it's just that my time is too precious to put up with this.

#8

cigarette

Sep 04, 2009 13:29:29

I am bummed with the new forums too, but I don't see the point in freaking out over it.


Hopefully there will indeed be a change.


Maybe their won't be.


It's just a forum.

#9

lokiare

Sep 04, 2009 14:46:47


I am bummed with the new forums too, but I don't see the point in freaking out over it.


Hopefully there will indeed be a change.


Maybe their won't be.


It's just a forum.




[sarcasm]Its just the official place to communicate with others who enjoy the game.[/sarcasm]


Seriously this is just the latest in a long line of screw ups by WotC, I'm seriously getting tired of funding incompetence.

#10

Arawn76

Sep 04, 2009 14:59:33

I like the new forums, I'll like them even more when they finish refining them.


  I have often found that an ounce of patience is worth a pound of agitation.


Really people are so self absorbed in their view of how things should be.  It's hilarious Laughing

#11

Paulon

Sep 04, 2009 15:55:16

From curiosity, how will Wizards figure out that people don't like the changes if there aren't any complaints about them? People just sitting back and waiting for a fix without saying anything aren't going to get them to make any improvements.

#12

Belorin

Sep 04, 2009 17:44:11

From curiosity, how will Wizards figure out that people don't like the changes if there aren't any complaints about them? People just sitting back and waiting for a fix without saying anything aren't going to get them to make any improvements.


While this is true there are some that make it their only reason for posting and they do it everywhere...
D&D Insider; I don't use the tools, but the new forums suck!
Forgotten Realms; I know nothing about the Realms, but the new forums suck!
Previous Editions; I don't play D&D at all, but the new forums suck!

Okay, I may be exaggerating a little (a very little), but that's how it seems with some of them.


 


Bel

#13

drnick

Sep 04, 2009 18:03:39

From curiosity, how will Wizards figure out that people don't like the changes if there aren't any complaints about them? People just sitting back and waiting for a fix without saying anything aren't going to get them to make any improvements.


To reiterate what I said in a different thread, there is a world of difference between baseless whining and making constructive criticism. Saying "THIS FORUM SUCKS, BYE!" is not constructive. How does wizard's know what to fix?


The best way to go about it is to make a feature request or bug report in a specified area. That way WotC can see it and it's not drowned out with noise.


I understand the complaints and I'm not trying to apologize for WotC but if you go about this the wrong way, you have nobody to blame but yourself when it doesn't get fixed. THEY CAN'T READ YOUR MIND!

#14

lokiare

Sep 04, 2009 23:00:51


From curiosity, how will Wizards figure out that people don't like the changes if there aren't any complaints about them? People just sitting back and waiting for a fix without saying anything aren't going to get them to make any improvements.


To reiterate what I said in a different thread, there is a world of difference between baseless whining and making constructive criticism. Saying "THIS FORUM SUCKS, BYE!" is not constructive. How does wizard's know what to fix?


The best way to go about it is to make a feature request or bug report in a specified area. That way WotC can see it and it's not drowned out with noise.


I understand the complaints and I'm not trying to apologize for WotC but if you go about this the wrong way, you have nobody to blame but yourself when it doesn't get fixed. THEY CAN'T READ YOUR MIND!




I have expressed exactly what is wrong with the site many many times. I am simply summarizing when I say the forums suck. In case you want specifics check out my blog.

#15

kratch

Sep 05, 2009 2:23:08

I have expressed exactly what is wrong with the site many many times. I am simply summarizing when I say the forums suck. In case you want specifics check out my blog.



So which of your 4 public blogs of yours presents specifics? the one that asks people to vote on their opinions of WotC executive decisions or the "I was in error" one where you claim even you could have done a better job setting this site up (It's clearly not the character builder pole or Gleemax is gone one). Ether way, I don't see a single specific, only complaints ("I could have done better, even then" is not a constructive criticism).

#16

outlaw68

Sep 05, 2009 8:34:57

I actually like this new site.. the facebook/myspace thing, it is ok.. neither here or there. I do like the groups pages, they are very cool. The forums them selves make it very easy to report the trolls ;) , and they are easy for me to read.


So over all i like them, i don;t think they are any better or any worse than the gleemax boards, excepts for the groups feature.. i freaking love that!


 

#17

drnick

Sep 05, 2009 9:16:14

I have expressed exactly what is wrong with the site many many times. I am simply summarizing when I say the forums suck. In case you want specifics check out my blog.


If you are giving specifics, assume I wasn't referring to you. I'm only referring to the people who are complaining and not giving specifics.


Also, if you spread this stuff all over the forum, it makes it really hard to collect this data and act on it. Wouldn't it be much easier for everyone if you reported bugs and requested changes in the appropriate place and left it at that?


Anything more is either working off of the "squeaky wheel" theory which makes you kind of a jerk or you venting which I don't really need to read.

#18

lokiare

Sep 05, 2009 23:46:36


I have expressed exactly what is wrong with the site many many times. I am simply summarizing when I say the forums suck. In case you want specifics check out my blog.



So which of your 4 public blogs of yours presents specifics? the one that asks people to vote on their opinions of WotC executive decisions or the "I was in error" one where you claim even you could have done a better job setting this site up (It's clearly not the character builder pole or Gleemax is gone one). Ether way, I don't see a single specific, only complaints ("I could have done better, even then" is not a constructive criticism).




What? after checking I realize the WotC 'community' site has eaten one of my blogs. Also as a former website designer and website programmer, yes I definitely could have done better than this. This site is atrocious.

#19

Nifft

Sep 08, 2009 20:42:53

I've been busy pimping the Stylish script in my sig to fix problems like the OP describes (like the annoying whitespace and tiny default font).


If you're leaving, my favorite RPG place that's not here is EN World. They have a soothing black background with calming yellow highlights. Just one dude's opinion though.


Cheers, -- N

#20

Herrozerro

Sep 10, 2009 2:51:02


What? after checking I realize the WotC 'community' site has eaten one of my blogs. Also as a former website designer and website programmer, yes I definitely could have done better than this. This site is atrocious.




Sooo... why dont you?


I mean you seem to have all the time in the world to complain.

#21

lokiare

Sep 10, 2009 12:29:55



What? after checking I realize the WotC 'community' site has eaten one of my blogs. Also as a former website designer and website programmer, yes I definitely could have done better than this. This site is atrocious.




Sooo... why dont you?


I mean you seem to have all the time in the world to complain.




No, I just type at 90 WPM. I rarely have time enough to take my dog for a walk, or catch a movie. I only watch TV while I'm eating a meal. My life is cluttered with college and work, and family obligations.


Besides I have volunteered to intern for WotC, and they for some reason didn't accept me.

#22

Webster

Sep 10, 2009 21:23:51


Besides I have volunteered to intern for WotC, and they for some reason didn't accept me.





Sorry you didn't get the internship.

 

#23

kratch

Sep 10, 2009 21:31:33



Besides I have volunteered to intern for WotC, and they for some reason didn't accept me.





Sorry you didn't get the internship.

 




Though that may explain some of the hostility (or perhaps it was the hostility that explained not getting the internship Undecided )
#24

ogrehooper

Sep 10, 2009 23:30:35

Attitude, Performance, and Skill would help you get the internship.  So, you know, go get those three things you're currently lacking.

#25

lokiare

Sep 11, 2009 2:59:01


Attitude, Performance, and Skill would help you get the internship.  So, you know, go get those three things you're currently lacking.




Wait was that a personal attack? You do know those are against the Tou/CoC right?


Just so you know, my calling in life is apparently to find things that are wong and to fix them. Thus I mention what is wrong with WotC and then how to fix it. I perform exceptionally well, since there is no way to judge that either way, it must be that you are assuming that I don't. I also have 3 years of college and a computer roleplaying game under my belt to show that I have the skills.


As to attitude I would have a positive attitude if I were working for WotC. I don't exactly have a negative attitude, on the other hand I am simply identifying problems with WotC and their products. I don't hurl insults, I don't non-constructively criticise. I relay information about how a product can be bad or unbalanced. Simple as that.

#26

lokiare

Sep 11, 2009 3:03:04



Besides I have volunteered to intern for WotC, and they for some reason didn't accept me.





Sorry you didn't get the internship.

 




I technically didn't apply directly as there were no internships available. I did however make it known in a forum thread that was being posted in by some of the IT employees. I would still gladly move to Washington and intern with WotC. Heck they might think about it for no other reason than to get me to shut up.




Besides I have volunteered to intern for WotC, and they for some reason didn't accept me.





Sorry you didn't get the internship.

 




Though that may explain some of the hostility (or perhaps it was the hostility that explained not getting the internship )



The lack of an actual position is more likely the cause.

#27

kratch

Sep 11, 2009 3:52:21


As to attitude I would have a positive attitude if I were working for WotC.



As a general rule, companies generally like people to have a positive attitude towards their company prior t them being hired.



I don't hurl insults, I don't non-constructively criticise.




I'd have to say many of your posts in "Anyone else think it might be time for Hasbro to sell off the D&D franchise" speak otherwise. And I'm certain I could dredge up several more, but whats the point?



The lack of an actual position is more likely the cause.




LOL yeah, that might just do it. You didn't think to mention this part when you stated "for some reason, they didn't accept you"?

#28

Qube

Sep 11, 2009 13:29:43

Could we agree that non of us is all-knowing (well ... all of us, excluding me Laughing )


The internship thingy is off topic and slightly infamatory: he who walks on lava better thread carfully ...

#29

muddypaw

Sep 12, 2009 6:25:17

Lokiare, dont ever change! It's Christmas every day when you post Laughing

#30

lokiare

Sep 12, 2009 13:35:39


Lokiare, dont ever change! It's Christmas every day when you post



Is that genuine or sarcasm? I can't tell...