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#1 zammm Mar 19, 2009 1:29:29	Over the past while, discussions have been raised in several areas regarding the set of smilies available on the boards. Requests have been made for several additions to the available smilies, several removals of disruptive and/or redundant smilies, and some alterations of the existing smilies. Each existing proposal is outlined here; this thread is intended to allow users from all areas to comment on each proposed change. All feedback from this thread, and the other threads like it in the other areas of the boards, will be taken into account when deciding whether to implement each proposal. If you would like to make any additional proposals, please do so. The existing proposals are as follows: Remove the [noparse]:invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG![/noparse] smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies. Remove the following other smilies: [noparse], , , :angelhide, , , :rolleye2:, , , , , :88E:, [/noparse]--on the basis that they are (variously) redundant, rarely used, ugly, and/or useless. Add the numeric Magic mana symbols to the smilie list as :1:, :2:, etc. Add the D&D 4E notation symbols (Melee, Ranged, Area, etc.) to the smilie list. Add , , , and to the smilie list. Alter the existing smilies when appropriate so they're matched in color rather than all different colors. Replace with (Proposals were also made for several area-specific smilies (such as :fett to be removed, but those are not included because they didn't originate in the area the smilies were intended to service.) If you have any comments, questions, or concerns about these proposals, or have additional requests, please post them here. (Even if you don't care about the changes, saying so is helpful.)
#2 roshin Mar 19, 2009 2:12:32	I'm not really bothered by this, tbh. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing something similar to the Winky-smiley from the Penny Arcade forums here, because I find it ever so useful. If you know what I mean.
#3 zammm Mar 19, 2009 2:28:10	I'm right behind you there. ...If you know what I mean. I'm sorry, I'm sorry! I just couldn't resist! That setup was perfect!
#4 propane Mar 19, 2009 2:35:10	I'm not terribly fussed by Smilies unless they are huge (as in taller than the text), have obnoxious animations or are funky colours. "Add the D&D 4E notation symbols (Melee, Ranged, Area, etc.) to the smilie list." SA-WHEAT! There are a lot of those. I like those proposed changes. A lot. Except the "Fixed" one because it's too tall.
#5 Nai_Calus Mar 19, 2009 4:53:09	Aww, I like Even if it is, yeah, slightly redundant. I don't like the 'fixed' one because it's too tall. This forum needs the and smilies. :P
#6 wrecan Mar 19, 2009 7:54:03	I'm good with all of it except :88E:, which I like.
#7 Zherog Mar 19, 2009 8:48:51	This is a repost of what I posted over in the General Gaming Community Business forum: * The existing proposals are as follows: Remove the [noparse]:invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG![/noparse] smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies. Remove the following other smilies: [noparse], , , :angelhide, , , :rolleye2:, , , , , :88E:, [/noparse]--on the basis that they are (variously) redundant, rarely used, ugly, and/or useless. I use several of these frequently. I would not like to see any of them removed. Add the numeric Magic mana symbols to the smilie list as :1:, :2:, etc. Add the D&D 4E notation symbols (Melee, Ranged, Area, etc.) to the smilie list. Sounds like a swell idea. Add , , , and to the smilie list. No problems, though I don't know what purpose the first three would serve that isn't already served by an existing smiley. Alter the existing smilies when appropriate so they're matched in color rather than all different colors. I don't see any reason for this. Uniformity is not necessary. Replace with Leave shifty alone!
#8 roshin Mar 19, 2009 15:35:09	I'm right behind you there. ...If you know what I mean. See? Useful. :D
#9 DragonsWrath Mar 19, 2009 21:55:53	I'm going to echo what I said in the MTG version of this thread. Because I can. :D First of all, I'd recommend numbering those proposals, so things are easier to follow. The existing proposals are as follows: Remove the [noparse]:invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG![/noparse] smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies. Remove the following other smilies: [noparse], , , :angelhide, , , :rolleye2:, , , , , :88E:, [/noparse]--on the basis that they are (variously) redundant, rarely used, ugly, and/or useless. Add the numeric Magic mana symbols to the smilie list as :1:, :2:, etc. Add the D&D 4E notation symbols (Melee, Ranged, Area, etc.) to the smilie list. Add , , , and to the smilie list. Alter the existing smilies when appropriate so they're matched in color rather than all different colors. Replace with 1) 2) :thumbsdow "keep them, just because." They aren't too disruptive, and are fun to use sometimes. I'm sure WotC's servers won't asplode from the extra bandwidth they take up. 3) I'm not convinced it's necessary, but I won't attempt to stop anyone. I do support the "synchronize and " argument, whatever that requires. 4) I'd also add some other functionality to that. More on that below. 5) 6) 7) Overall, I support this change wholeheartedly.
#10 DragonsWrath Mar 19, 2009 21:56:39	Regarding the DnD symbols: That's an excellent idea, and I have something to add to that: A quick power box addition. I've seen people use the [noparse]
#11 RUMPLESTIX Mar 19, 2009 22:40:13	About this: Remove the [noparse] :invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG! [/noparse]smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies. People post here to have some fun. Playing around with these can be a lot of fun. Don't be a meanie and take these away. Remove the :invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG! smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies.
#12 pigknight Mar 19, 2009 23:48:14	Chris Crocker Voice: JUST LEAVE SMILEY ALONE!
#13 zammm Mar 20, 2009 6:01:00	Regarding the DnD symbols: [...] While this is a fine idea in its own right, it is beyond the scope of this thread. This thread is intended solely to discuss changes to the boards smilies; changes to the tags and boards code is another matter entirely.
#14 joydyhee Mar 20, 2009 6:16:05	I am all for adding new options for posters to use, but I do not think that any need to be removed. As previously stated by others, people are here to have fun; there is enough to do with moderating inappropriate comments. Don't moderate the smilies!
#15 celloshane Mar 20, 2009 9:08:30	[list][*]Remove the [noparse]:invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma, :headexplo, and :OMG![/noparse] smilies, on the basis that their size is disruptive and that they do not serve any useful purpose that cannot be filled by other, less disruptive smilies. I can agree that these are all somewhat disruptive except[noparse] :headexplo. It's the smallest of that group and it's fairly useful. I'd add and [/noparse]to that list as well. [*]Remove the following other smilies:[noparse] , , , :angelhide, , , :rolleye2:, , , , , :88E:, [/noparse]on the basis that they are (variously) redundant, rarely used, ugly, and/or useless. I'd argue that a few of these don't belong on the list: The generic devil smiley? Really Zammm? I think the need for this one speaks for itself. This one is used most when posters are acknowledging praise, correct? Do we have another smiley that fills this purpose? I can't be sure about the frequency of use, but I've seen it used from time to time during discussion of dead characters. :88E: You know better Zammm, C'thulhu fhtagn. Although if you wanted to replace this one with a similar smiley that wasn't neon green I'd approve. All other suggestions seem excellent.
#16 crazysamaritan Mar 20, 2009 10:02:02	Repeating Celloshane's general comments. (too lazy to write my own)
#17 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Mar 20, 2009 10:03:52	I don't think any smilies should be removed. As said before, this is all just for fun anyway.
#18 zammm Mar 20, 2009 14:22:59	Just as a note, I don't necessarily support any given one of these proposals--in fact, I'd like to keep a number of the smilies nominated for removal here. I'm just passing on the requests made by others (okay, and a couple personal ones) here, without regard for my own preferences--it's always possible not everyone feels the same way I do, after all.
#19 celloshane Mar 20, 2009 14:43:25	Thanks for the clarification Zammm, I misunderstood and thought you were submitting these proposals to CM as your own but wanted feedback first.
#20 Zherog Mar 20, 2009 14:51:58	Wait! You actually believe him? He's a dirty, stinkin' Magic player! You should know you can't trust him. :angelhide
#21 zammm Mar 20, 2009 15:02:24	Wait! You actually believe him? He's a dirty, stinkin' Magic player! You should know you can't trust him. :angelhide Oh HO! Bringing out the stereotypes now, are we? I don't think you want to go there, Zherog; you're just as vulnerable as I am there. ;)
#22 lord_karsus Mar 21, 2009 23:35:17	Oh HO! Bringing out the stereotypes now, are we? I don't think you want to go there, Zherog; you're just as vulnerable as I am there. ;) -He's a Bard, though. Well, he has a lute, and can whistle, anyway. -I disagree with proposal one and two. I agree with proposal three and four. I disagree with proposal five. I agree with proposal six. I disagree with proposal seven.
#23 zammm Apr 28, 2009 21:47:12	UPDATE! I've talked with WotC and they're very much open to adding new smilies to the list. While they warned there would probably be a significant delay in getting them up (the word "months" was used), they'd still like to hear our requests. So, with that in mind, I'm going to be opening up this thread (and the others in the other Metaboards) for smilie requests. If you have a smilie you'd like to see added to the boards, post it here and it will be considered. After a week or so I'll be closing requests and opening up a new series of threads asking for feedback on the submissions; the best submissions will be sent on to WotC to add to the available smilies on the boards. So...what smilies would you like to see here?* *I reserve the right to reject submissions for any reason. "Any reason" will probably mean violence, gore, and/or other content not strictly G-rated, but other reasons may exist. I also reserve the right to edit or remake submissions to fit in with our existing smilie set.
#24 Ragitsu Apr 28, 2009 22:15:52	Okay, that last one is purely fantasy, but a man can dream !
#25 celloshane Apr 29, 2009 13:50:28	Awesome Zammm! I'll repeat my request for a Cthulu that's not quite so neon. Also, and I may be opening a huge can of worms here, a troll smilie might be neat.
#26 lord_karsus Apr 29, 2009 16:25:11	-An "anime swat drop" embarrassment thing.
#27 onceuponatime Apr 29, 2009 22:15:22	I dunno you already have my fave...
#28 Nameykins Apr 30, 2009 5:22:21	I'm all up for removing the smilies that cause templating issues when used and/or are just plain huge, or have exessive amounts of animation. Main offenders: :bounce: :pile: :invasion: :hoppingma :OMG!
#29 celloshane Apr 30, 2009 9:33:30	-An "anime swat drop" embarrassment thing. You mean like this ?
#30 Silvercrys Apr 30, 2009 12:57:14	You mean like this ? I think Lord_Karsus meant a "sweat" drop, not a "swat" drop. I think. Even if I'm wrong, it's still a good idea. :D
#31 celloshane Apr 30, 2009 16:46:59	Oh ok, well since we don't have a smilie that really fills the "Doh!" expression, how about the one I linked?
#32 Zherog Apr 30, 2009 17:05:36	We have [noparse][/noparse] which gives
#33 celloshane Apr 30, 2009 17:53:21	We have [noparse][/noparse] which gives How'd I miss that?
#34 mnemonicsv Apr 30, 2009 18:00:56	Given how repetitive some topics can become (cough PDFs cough), I almost think this would be appropriate:
#35 ff6shadow Apr 30, 2009 18:30:35	I like most of the additions proposed in post 1. I also heartily agree with losing these:[noparse] :invasion:, :pile:, :bounce:, :hoppingma[/noparse] smilies, since they usually just show up and annoy me. I agree that [noparse], , and [/noparse] look horrible. If we can get rid of them, good. I do like these two: , and and would like to see them added to the smilie list. And, I'll volunteer some smilies I've always enjoyed.
#36 Paulon Apr 30, 2009 21:05:16	I'd argue against removing the smilies proposed for deletion. The people I'm playing with in the Play By Post Haven use most of them regularly for emphasis in the game threads we're playing. About the only one which isn't at least a semi-regular for us is Invasion, and even that's come up occasionally. I'd second (or is it third, fourth, or fifth?) the need for an anime sweatdrop addition too.
#37 weasel0 May 02, 2009 0:46:21	I'm all up for removing the smilies that cause templating issues when used and/or are just plain huge, or have exessive amounts of animation. Main offenders: :bounce: :pile: :invasion: :hoppingma :OMG! I second this one exactly as written.
#38 trappedslider May 04, 2009 1:29:26	Okay, that last one is purely fantasy, but a man can dream ! seconded for this one..GIVE THE D20 MODERN some love
#39 Ragitsu May 05, 2009 1:32:17	Here are a few more d20 Modern themed smilies: .
#40 RUMPLESTIX Jul 24, 2009 21:16:15	I think I found an emoticon that we should add. (I hope this link works...) Beating a dead horse:
#41 ff6shadow Jul 24, 2009 21:26:03	Ah yes, definitely. We can find plenty of use for that.
#42 tiwaztyrsfist Jul 24, 2009 21:51:15	I think I found an emoticon that we should add. (I hope this link works...) Beating a dead horse: I can think of a couple of forums that should have the option to one button auto post a reply with just that pic.
#43 zammm Jul 25, 2009 4:01:46	...Aaaand that brings the number of horsebeatings smilie variants submitted for consideration to five.
#44 RUMPLESTIX Jul 25, 2009 9:55:32	...Aaaand that brings the number of horsebeatings smilie variants submitted for consideration to five. Perhaps next time I should recheck the thread before making suggestions. However, I do like that it turned out to be kind of ironic.
#45 zammm Jul 25, 2009 10:36:22	Oh, I wouldn't expect you to see most of the others--only one of the other four was posted in this thread. The others were posted in the other threads in the other areas of the forums. :P
#46 tiwaztyrsfist Jul 25, 2009 15:53:56	I think it just goes to show how badly we need a dead horse macro.
#47 zammm Jul 25, 2009 15:57:48	There's a big difference between "want" and "need". ;)