[4E] Fights of the Week 23 April 2009 - Comments and Concerns

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TelinArtho

Apr 22, 2009 10:04:20		Please don't edit the sheet after the deadline or you will lose the match.



News and Whatnot

Well things are moving along a quite a fast pace. After a couple of successful encounters in the test-quest, and with a good review of the quest rules, I've posted and enabled quests going forward. Questlords should PM me with their quest details when they are ready to go for approval.

Other than that - the Council has been quickly working out the details that will eventually allow the PHB2 as allowable content (though by credit cost to begin with). I expect PHB2 content to be available after next week's pairings, but we'll see how discussions go until then.

Maps are also a hot item to discuss in the Council - the Sewer map is ready to go and I expect the Cavern and other maps to be available soon. Level 3 fights this week will have a random shot at either the small arena or the sewer - hopefully by next week we'll have even more options in place.

As always - check out the Council's 2nd post to see the items up for discussion and what has been decided.

The Blackmarket of Sagaris has just been opened. All credit expenditures and approvals need to go through there - this includes things that used to go through the Training Hall (beyond what's allowed with retraining).

In the Tavern, we've begun talking about a possible UnCon event - a Grand Melee. UnCon is still quite a while away - but we have more setup work than many other forums, so I'd like to hammer out as much of the details as possible. If anyone has other ideas for the UnCon - post in the tavern or shoot me a PM.

New Rulings - Courtroom

  • nothing ruled on yet

Current Discussions
  • None

The Council Decisions/Revelations
  • Active Teams - you are allowed 2 active "units" between 3.5e CoCo and 4e CoCo
  • Rules sources - Updates are primary, Original text is secondary, everything else is for reference/clairification only
  • Elders - for now there is little need for additional elders. The current elders are MindWandererB, Erithmu. We also have Zevox for an additional voice.
  • Knocking opponents unconscious at 0hp or less - banned. This is only due to hp loss - if a power is used that renders someone unconscious - it has its effect as per normal.
  • Quests - added to the rules.
  • Tactics primer for common situations - added to the rules

Current Topics
  • Campaigns - discussion on adding them to 4e
  • Additional sources: PHB2 and beyond, mounts, etc
  • Dual-striker teams
  • Intimidate as an option
  • PHB2 considerations - things to allow, things not to allow, things to house-rule
  • Map Feature of the Week options


Check out the Courtroom and Council to join in all the fun!


Rules of Sagaris
All that you need to know is written in the [post=18116720]Rules of Sagaris[/post].
It could be useful also to give a look to the [POST=16408482]Court Decisions[/POST]

Pairings
GM TelinArtho will pair the active Characters of Sagaris after the deadline. The Character Roster will be the second post of this thread.
Make sure that your character is not in [thread=1064195]prison[/thread].

Pitlording
You should use the CoCo Dice Roller for the fight.
If you need it, there is a nice [THREAD=551175]template[/THREAD] ready to use that will help.
You could find the Battle Map Tag Generator for dynamic Maps very useful. You must post a link to your fight in this thread when it is complete.
If you need a quick and dirty tool to calculate distances between two points (in 2-D or 3-D), this tool should suffice.

If a fight needs to be rerun, the Pitlord has to inform me (TelinArtho). I cannot react to requests from Players because the other player and the pitlord might disagree. I have little time to read the fight and the discussion. Please keep that in mind. PMs from players with rerun requests won't have an impact.

Comments & Concerns
Post any comments or concerns for this weeks fights in this thread.
Be kind and courteous to your fellow posters, and don't feed the pitlords.
Please remember that they do hard work and consume a lot of time to let you play. Above all, have FUN!

If you have questions or comments on any of the changes, please make your posts be heard in the Council of Sagaris!

Pitlords

Active Pitlords
3.5E Pitlords[indent]
  • [PM=329610]Erithmu[/PM] (33°) [Late:1/114] [Offer: +1, high ECL ok]
  • [PM=623255]Nabuchadnezzar[/PM] (17°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=416973]Sjiggie[/PM] (22°) [Late:15/48] [High ECL ok]
  • [PM=338608]TelinArtho[/PM] (19°) [Late:11/216] [as needed]
  • [PM=621346]Turanson[/PM] (9°) [Late:0/22] [Offer: +1 if needed]
  • [PM=342682]Zevox[/PM] (6°) [Late:11/132]
[/indent]

4E Pitlords[indent]
  • [PM=329610]Erithmu[/PM] [If none available, 1 additional 3.5 fight]
  • [PM=158441]LinkN[/PM] (1°)
  • [PM=287656]lonewolf[/PM] (7°) [Late:6/94] [Separate Thread please]
  • [PM=366091]MindWandererB[/PM] (78°) [Late:0/46] [Offer: +1 if needed]
  • [PM=381600]post_ironic[/PM] (3°) [If no 4e fights available, one 3.5e fight]
  • [PM=179483]Salrantol[/PM] (5°) [Late:1/17] [one 3.5e fight if needed]
  • [PM=338608]TelinArtho[/PM]
[/indent]

Inactive Pitlords
Inactive or Retired Pitlords: [indent]
  • [PM=370291]Abyssal Stalker[/PM] (-3°) [Late:4/60]
  • [PM=443544]Airwhale[/PM] (1°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=380913]Altaris13[/PM] (1°) [Late:4/3]
  • [PM=310133]amalcon[/PM] (1°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=437944]Anaconda[/PM] (2°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=201580]Aramil Dunskar[/PM] (0°)
  • [PM=236168]Argaud[/PM] (9°) [Late:0/5]
  • [PM=376924]Ariel23[/PM] (10°) [Late:2/4]
  • [PM=268291]Arstimis[/PM] (4°)
  • [PM=317159]Ashenai[/PM] (32°)
  • [PM=339047]Ayrynthyn[/PM] (14°) [Late:1/6]
  • [PM=332834]ayyiniwindryder[/PM] (15°) [Late:2/11]
  • [PM=256748]Barrelmaster[/PM] (4°)
  • [PM=371759]Begferdeth[/PM] (30°) [Late:1/7]
  • [PM=252478]Beldin[/PM] (-2°)
  • [PM=240421]bgt[/PM] (1°) [Late:2/2]
  • [PM=316776]Biota[/PM] (11°) [Late:1/6]
  • [PM=360131]bluemage55[/PM] (-2°) [Late:4/3]
  • [PM=398884]Book5[/PM] (35°) [Late:3/6]
  • [PM=555909]Callix[/PM] (32°) [Late:0/30] [Offer: +1 fight]
  • [PM=226573]Captain Mutilate[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=437595]CaptainStrong[/PM] (3°) [Late:0/3]
  • [PM=154373]Caterane[/PM] (160°) [Late:0/35]
  • [PM=233716]Cellardweller[/PM] (20°)
  • [PM=327805]Cerebus13[/PM] (13°) [Late:0/2]
  • [PM=631454]CrazyArtificer[/PM] (16°) [Late:2/31] [Offer: +1 fight in emergency]
  • [PM=375109]Deadly Assassin[/PM] (-2°)
  • [PM=239640]Delusional Illusion[/PM] (1°)
  • [PM=388463]Dr.Funk[/PM] (3°) [Late:0/3]
  • [PM=244489]Druid Roxors[/PM] (17°)
  • [PM=303884]Dracazar[/PM] (35°) [Late:0/5]
  • [PM=494679]dulsi[/PM] (23°) [Late:2/18]
  • [PM=565263]Durzulgor[/PM] (2°) [Late:2/6]
  • [PM=422761]DSugui[/PM] (16°) [Late:15/96]
  • [PM=336277]DTFarstar[/PM] (-5°) [Late:8/5]
  • [PM=560519]Eamane[/PM] (-4°) [Late:4/22]
  • [PM=340532]Einzelgaenger[/PM] (10°)
  • [PM=387207]Ellorion Saenelle[/PM] (-4°)
  • [PM=522983]Eluria[/PM] (12°) [Late:0/2]
  • [PM=387506]Emrys Donovan[/PM] (0°)
  • [PM=366749]Enterik[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=250300]Etiquette_Gnome[/PM] (4°) [Late:3/9]
  • [PM=493519]False_Keraptis[/PM] (6°) [Late:0/4]
  • [PM=334199]funnymanmike[/PM] (6°) [Late:0/3]
  • [PM=361152]Gonbow[/PM] (2°) [Late:4/20]
  • [PM=249294]graymocker[/PM] (4°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=373126]GuardianAngel[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=451092]Hawkeye_60[/PM] (5°) [Late:1/1]
  • [PM=497769]Highfire[/PM] (6°) [Late:1/4]
  • [PM=495839]Hirumajoe[/PM] (22°) [Late:2/35]
  • [PM=384641]hogarth[/PM] (21°) [Late:2/23] [Low ECL only]
  • [PM=292611]Horatius[/PM] (7°) [Late:0/6]
  • [PM=327901]Huan[/PM] (233°) [Late:14/34] [Offer: 1 miniquest]
  • [PM=353515]Iced[/PM] (10°) [Late:13/24]
  • [PM=471470]Jerrick_QueKiri[/PM] (-5°) [Late:4/2]
  • [PM=251979]Jindl[/PM] (26°)
  • [PM=351297]Jstorrie[/PM] (-5°)
  • [PM=276552]Kaigan[/PM] (1°) [Late:11/24]
  • [PM=240132]Kedi[/PM] (-13°) [Late:2/2]
  • [PM=195315]KerlanRayne[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=208805]Khaim[/PM] (1°) [Late:1/3]
  • [PM=262456]King Uther[/PM] (127°) [Late:14/48]
  • [PM=315688]Kingside_Bishop[/PM] (1°)
  • [PM=429798]klangley[/PM] (1°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=275256]Korone[/PM] (2°) [Late:0/2]
  • [PM=506188]Krytos[/PM] (13°) [Late:0/7]
  • [PM=193073]LLMadCow[/PM] (13°)
  • [PM=390349]LongArcher[/PM] (0°)
  • [PM=430554]Lucanthrope[/PM] (-1°) [Late:1/1]
  • [PM=233555]Luni[/PM] (9°) [Late:2/10]
  • [PM=402982]Macbrea[/PM] (12°) [Late:6/60]
  • [PM=260613]MadCowTemplate[/PM] (8°)
  • [PM=252568]Magagumo[/PM] (5°)
  • [PM=161820]Mal-2[/PM] (11°) [Late:0/2]
  • [PM=309162]malakaiunseen[/PM] (3°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=361808]Malither76[/PM] (5°) [Late:10/24]
  • [PM=246119]Maraxus[/PM] (33°) [Late:2/22]
  • [PM=342670]Maverick Knight[/PM] (-2°)
  • [PM=324385]McJarvis[/PM] (56°) [Late:8/86]
  • [PM=227401]Megrim Lord[/PM] (-2°)
  • [PM=235606]Michael Noah[/PM] (8°)
  • [PM=236835]Mind Rogue[/PM] (18°)
  • [PM=420984]MitzaVolchenko[/PM] (23°) [Late:19/77]
  • [PM=210944]Moherajikuyx[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=572355]mucki[/PM] (14°) [Late:0/3]
  • [PM=248479]Myrridin[/PM] (16°) [Late:2/4]
  • [PM=303794]MysticMonk2005[/PM] (7°) [Late:2/10]
  • [PM=291017]MystErikEry[/PM] (7°)
  • [PM=564638]namfrawd[/PM] (-2°) [Late:1/0]
  • [PM=359673]nickbeat[/PM] (8°) [Late:1/7]
  • [PM=334715]Nightbanegod[/PM] (6°) [Late:2/0]
  • [PM=385209]NiQil[/PM] (47°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=344887]Nurlithion[/PM] (3°) [Late:0/2]
  • [PM=347741]Odin the Reaper[/PM] (-1°)
  • [PM=347710]One_Winged_Angel[/PM] (17°)
  • [PM=381885]Papapeperoni[/PM] (-2°) [Late:5/8]
  • [PM=160179]Pauper[/PM] (1°)
  • [PM=285133]Pittbull[/PM] (82°) [Late:0/19]
  • [PM=296951]Piuro[/PM] (3°)
  • [PM=515111]Rauul[/PM] (-4°) [Late:21/48]
  • [PM=359641]Rim-Soulfang[/PM] (7°)
  • [PM=321957]SauroGrenom[/PM] (70°) [Late:0/58]
  • [PM=273453]Scaryfroman[/PM] (9°)
  • [PM=376509]Setzertrancer[/PM] (6°) [Late:0/1]
  • [PM=424115]shadowmaster[/PM] (2°) [Late:2/3]
  • [PM=364804]Shaken, not Stunned[/PM] (6°)
  • [PM=305350]Sindorin[/PM] (10°) [Late:0/3]
  • [PM=290673]Skojar[/PM] (18°) [Late:2/13]
  • [PM=258152]Sloisel[/PM] (6°)
  • [PM=186622]SnarkHunter[/PM] (24°)
  • [PM=169117]Snommelp[/PM] (30°) [Late:2/13]
  • [PM=516194]sonofzeal[/PM] (4°) [Late:2/11]
  • [PM=168478]SoulLord[/PM] (13°)
  • [PM=653957]SparkLone[/PM] (2°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=251642]Spasheridan[/PM] (8°) [Late:1/3]
  • [PM=500905]stimpydoda[/PM] (8°) [Late:0/6]
  • [PM=288745]StoneTree[/PM] (8°) [Late:3/5]
  • [PM=289372]Stormwind[/PM] (16°) [Late:1/8] [Offer: +1 miniquests] [Offer: +1 monster fight]
  • [PM=249762]Sunwolf[/PM] (2°)
  • [PM=242396]TaggIIV[/PM] (6°) [Late:1/1]
  • [PM=505050]TARDIS[/PM] (2°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=515516]Taureus_Drakken[/PM] (11°) [Late:4/16]
  • [PM=381695]TCB[/PM] (-1°)
  • [PM=167529]Tellish_of_Ket[/PM] (27°) [Late:1/10]
  • [PM=346290]templer10[/PM] (0°) [Late:7/170] [Request: no miniquests]
  • [PM=342978]Thaylen[/PM] (-1°) [Late:1/1]
  • [PM=372871]The Dread Dormammu[/PM] (-3°)
  • [PM=363599]TheMagister[/PM] (6°) [Late:0/50]
  • [PM=400427]The Undershadow[/PM] (5°)
  • [PM=373519]Traevanon[/PM] (13°) [Late:0/9]
  • [PM=157880]Turin[/PM] (19°) [Late:0/16]
  • [PM=333551]T'Var[/PM] (38°)
  • [PM=477457]UserNamer[/PM] (3°) [Late:2/18]
  • [PM=269446]Usurpator[/PM] (37°) [Late:5/8]
  • [PM=659889]Vasja[/PM] (3°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=376903]Vathelokai[/PM] (6°) [Late:7/52]
  • [PM=340656]Vecnoran[/PM] (4°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=274019]Vivat Grendel[/PM] (-1°)
  • [PM=707584]Vooderen[/PM] (2°) [Late:0/0]
  • [PM=394332]Warclone[/PM] (6°) [Late:1/10]
  • [PM=214599]wayreth[/PM] (10°) [Late:0/8]
  • [PM=565472]whitebaron[/PM] (41°) [Late:0/72]
  • [PM=331849]Xanadu[/PM] (23°)
  • [PM=462301]Yitzi[/PM] (7°) [Late:0/27] [Zero during quest]
  • [PM=456530]Zelck[/PM] (15°) [Late:0/24]
  • [PM=318507]Zerone[/PM] (8°)
  • [PM=303009]Zyme86[/PM] (-3°)
[/indent]
#42

LinkN

Apr 25, 2009 13:28:13 		Seperate thread fight.
results
The Sons of the Hunt win, and gain 2 VP.
Romulus spent an action point and used Jaws of the Wolf.
Mephodyn spent an action point.

The Tiefling Twins lose, and gain 1 VP.
#43

post_ironic

Apr 25, 2009 13:35:17 		I believe that 41 damage in one attack may be a level one record for 4E CoCo. Good fight, Billiam.
#44

LinkN

Apr 25, 2009 13:39:53 		I think the best part was, I rolled the damage, broke out the calculator to add it all up, then realized I forgot the quarry damage. So I'm just thinking "Eh, overkill's fun", and tossed it in.
#45

whitebaron

Apr 25, 2009 19:09:47 		1 suggestion,
1 question:

a) could we rename low middle high to heroic, paragon, epic on the roster?

b) do we want a rating system for 4e? since the system is new, we can still go back and calculate it for the fights that were done in the last 4 weeks. to make it easier and more reliable than the existing power-rating-system in 3.5, i was thinking about a modified elo system with only absolute power ratings to make handling it easier.
#46

salrantol

Apr 26, 2009 20:23:38 		I was sure I posted this Friday, but can't seem to find it...
Not for TelinArtho or lonewolf
Rules question: A fighter is flanked by a fighter and a ranger. He is marked by the fighter. He uses Passing Attack, primary attack on the fighter, secondary attack on the ranger. Does the secondary attack count as a separate attack and, thus, trigger the Combat Challenge of the fighter? Or is it part of the same attack which did target the fighter and, thus, not trigger the Combat Challenge. Thanks.
#47

post_ironic

Apr 26, 2009 20:56:20
Not Telin and lonewolf
Yes, the attack counts as the same one. Since the power attacks both, he does not take the modifier from being marked. The same goes for a marked character using an area attack that includes the marker but also strikes other characters. I'll try to find you a page number to substantiate this.
#48

MindWandererB

Apr 26, 2009 23:16:57
Not Telin or lonewolf
I disagree. A secondary attack is a second attack. It's not an additional attack roll as part of one attack, as an area attack would be. Note the similarity to powers like Twin Strike, which explicitly say "two attacks."
#49

whitebaron

Apr 27, 2009 10:38:53 		@post-ironic: mwb is right.
not telin or lone

only area and close attacks count as being one attack.
if there are two "attack" lines, a secondary attack or something like that, you take the penalty and eventually, the hit.

however, you should be able to shift out of the fighters OA reach with that power.
#50

TelinArtho

Apr 27, 2009 11:12:30 		I'm not going to be adding in a Elo rating or a new powerrating for 4e - as MWB says - it is a PITA at the moment. Having a calculator for it isn't what's needed - a purpose behind it is. Powerratings for 3.5e are used only for leadership (and often not for that), and they have little meaning behind them. Unless we add in something that makes use of them - they will not be in 4e.