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#1 post_ironic May 14, 2009 12:29:35	This is a separate fight thread for lonewolf and LinkN. Only we may post here. Power and Endurance lonewolf;16354424 wrote:
#2 post_ironic May 14, 2009 12:32:27	You start in the... Power Northwest box.
#3 lonewolf May 14, 2009 17:30:49	starting positions Halo has Javelin and shield in hands. Brag dagger and hand crossbow
#4 LinkN May 14, 2009 17:49:23	Starting positions and first round Sethala will start with both broadswords in hand. Aventhressa will start with shortsword and a dagger in hand. First round, if no contact, move as shown, attempt to hide via Stealth, and ready a charge with Sethala and Deft Strike with Aventhressa.
#5 post_ironic May 14, 2009 19:38:31	Stalkers You move as indicated. Still no LOS.
#6 lonewolf May 15, 2009 4:20:49	actions Brag moves using Stealth and readies a thrown dagger on sight. Halo moves and readies a thrown Javelin on sight.
#7 post_ironic May 15, 2009 10:17:08	Power You move as shown. Still no LOS.
#8 lonewolf May 15, 2009 10:22:54	addon Halo will use "No opening" on the first attack from Aventhressa.
#9 post_ironic May 15, 2009 10:39:58	Power Understood. No one likes getting sneak attacked.
#10 LinkN May 15, 2009 11:20:28	Stalkers Aventhressa will delay until after Sethala's move. Move as such, stealth checks, ready charge/deft strike, tactics change if there's any contact.
#11 post_ironic May 15, 2009 11:30:52	Stalkers You move as shown. Still no contact.
#12 lonewolf May 15, 2009 11:39:19	actions move and ready as before
#13 LinkN May 15, 2009 11:42:28	Stalkers Is it too late to add in active perception checks to my move?
#14 post_ironic May 15, 2009 12:19:09	Power You move and ready. STILL no LOS. Geez.
#15 LinkN May 15, 2009 12:23:14	stalkers Move as shown. Stealth and active perception checks after each move if no contact, ready charge/deft strike if nothing noticed.
#16 post_ironic May 15, 2009 12:47:57	Sethala rounds the corner and dodges Halo's javelin, but is struck by Brag's well aimed dagger. Stalkers 10 damage to Sethala. She is at 27 HP. Actions?
#17 lonewolf May 15, 2009 13:02:11	question any reason why you didnt roll stealth for Brag in round 2?
#18 LinkN May 15, 2009 13:09:07	Slight correction: Sethala moves before Aventhressa, so Aventhressa hasn't moved yet. Also, noticed a mistake on my character sheet: Sethala's Shadow Wasp Strike shouldn't have the "special" line; that belongs to the Two-fanged Strike power. Stalkers Sethala will quarry and charge Halo. I don't know if the charge in the map is legal; if not, she'll end up one square to the right instead. She'll then spend an action point for Shadow Wasp Strike, using elven reroll if it misses. Free action to call out that she sees enemies. Aventhressa will then move to the third stop and Deft Strike as shown, with the shortsword. She should still be hidden from Halo if she got a high enough stealth check earlier (if she has a high enough stealth check but won't be hidden after the move, I'm going to change the movement). Edit: If Halo's still standing after all that, Aventhressa will spend an action point for Piercing Strike.
#19 post_ironic May 15, 2009 13:58:05	lonewolf Because I always forget to if you don't explicitly ask me, apparently. Just rolled it, so you get to add Sneak damage. Sethala is bloodied.
#20 lonewolf May 15, 2009 14:11:01	2 things: - Shadow Wasp strike misses 18 vs AC 21 - Sethala is using illegal weapons. Broadswords are from the adventurers Vault which is not a legal source for CoCo. For this fight I think they should be changed to battleaxes since they have identical stats. This doesnt change anything.
#21 LinkN May 15, 2009 14:12:31	Sethala rolls d8's for quarry, not d6's... not sure if you want to rule that as a mis-roll and re-roll it, or say it's fine since I'm fine with the damage dealt; up to you. - Shadow Wasp strike misses 18 vs AC 21 Yes, but it hits vs Ref 15 :P And my bad on the broadswords, didn't realize they were from AV. Yes, change them to battleaxes.
#22 post_ironic May 15, 2009 14:18:53	Hmmm... not sure how to adjuticate this. May take it to the council. Sethala lists Shadow Wasp strike as vs. Reflex on her sheet, but it is in reality vs. AC, which would miss Halo. Further, broadswords are not legal in CoCo at the moment. Should I take this to Council/Courtroom? As for rerolling quarry- since you're happy with it, I won't reroll unless lonewolf protests.
#23 lonewolf May 15, 2009 14:22:29	I just checked and Shadow Wasp Strike had an errata to target Reflex, so the hit is valid. On the broadsword thing: just change it to battleaxes for this fight. But incorrect damage dice should always be rerolled, no matter who benefits from it.
#24 post_ironic May 15, 2009 14:32:35	Revised quarry damage. Halo is still up. Where is that errata? Maybe we should have an errata link somewhere in the rules section for convenience. lonewolf Halo took only 4 quarry damage, leaving him at 1 hp.
#25 LinkN May 15, 2009 14:32:38	On Shadow Wasp Strike: Honestly, I didn't realize it was ever based off AC; I go off the character builder, which just lists it as vs Reflex. But yes, it is vs Reflex according to the updates. On weapons: Broadswords vs battleaxes is purely an aesthetic choice for Sethala right now; she has nothing that keys off of weapon type. I didn't realize at the time that they were from AV (again, character builder, forgot to check the base weapon source). I plan on changing them to battleaxes after this battle, so personally I say to just go on with the fight with the change, so long as Lonewolf is fine with it. Tactics Assuming the fight can continue without any changes, you should reroll the quarry damage as Lonewolf requests. If Halo doesn't go down from the reroll, Aventhressa will spend an action point for Piercing Strike.
#26 post_ironic May 15, 2009 14:41:53	Aventhressa uses an action point to follow up her assault on Halo. She hits, and Halo goes down. lonewolf Halo take 9 more damage. He is at -8.
#27 lonewolf May 15, 2009 15:06:35	actions Brag uses Tumble to get into Halos square. From there he uses Torturous Strike on Sethala. If she goes down use an action point for easy target on Aventhressa. If she doesnt, use the action point for bait and switch on Sethala.
#28 post_ironic May 15, 2009 15:39:20	Brag tumbles into position. Standing astride his fallen comrade, he hits Sethala with a torturous strike, dropping the Elven ranger. He then swifly tries to bait the human rogue, but she evades his ploy. Halo continues to bleed out, dampening Brag's boots with his sanguine humors. Stalkers 18 damage to Sethala. She is at -1.
#29 lonewolf May 15, 2009 15:42:34	I asked for Easy target to be used against Avanthressa instead of Bait and switch. The attack roll should be kept, but Avanthressa should get the miss-effects of easy target.
#30 LinkN May 15, 2009 16:13:17	Stalkers Aventhressa will use her sword's daily power, hit Brag with Dazing Strike, and move as shown (even if the attack misses - note that Brag doesn't get an OA if it hits), attempting to hide with Stealth. If Aventhressa is bloodied from Easy Target, have her use her armor and Second Wind instead. Still move as shown after.
#31 post_ironic May 16, 2009 11:47:35	Stalkers I used the wrong power on lonewolf's last turn, due to misreading his tactics. Aventhressa takes 4 damage and grants combat advantage to Brag. She is at 28.
#32 lonewolf May 16, 2009 12:03:53	Note that Aventhressa is slowed and thus cannot move completely out of Brags view. Brag uses Deft Strike to move 1E and attacks with combat advantage.
#33 LinkN May 16, 2009 18:30:19	Note that Easy Target only slows the target if you hit; the miss effect is only half damage and CA until end of next turn, no slowing. Rules question With Aventhressa's position, she can still be hit if Brag uses a ranged deft strike, moving 2E before the attack. However, since she's hidden (I assume the stealth check was high enough), Brag wouldn't know where she was until after he moved. So, I don't believe she's a legal target for Deft Strike, since Brag doesn't know her exact position and won't know until partway through the action. The sidebar on the bottom of page 281 talks about attacking something you can't see, if that does apply in this case.
#34 lonewolf May 16, 2009 20:33:06	ok In that case simply use deft strike to move 2E and throw the dagger from there.
#35 post_ironic May 18, 2009 13:15:26	Power Brag took 6 more damage from Sneak Attack, putting him at 21 HP.
#36 LinkN May 18, 2009 13:33:03	Rules I still don't think Deft Strike would work like that, but since the attack missed, any further debate would be purely academic. Still, I'd like a ruling for future fights, so I'm going to take the rest of this discussion over to the courtroom.
#37 post_ironic May 18, 2009 13:47:15	Rules Agreed. I forgot that Aventhressa beat Brag's passive perception. He could have targeted a square, but this will ultimately be moot since he missed. I have been PMed by whitebaron on the matter, and agree with the current/pending courtroom ruling.
#38 post_ironic May 18, 2009 13:59:40	Sehanine's Stalker's win and gain 2 VP. Sethala and Aventhressa both used an Action Point. Aventhressa also used her weapon's Daily Power. Power and Endurance lose and gain 1 VP. Brag used an Action Point and Easy Target.
#39 LinkN May 18, 2009 14:00:47	Hah, that was pretty tense throughout. Good rematch, lonewolf. Now to go fix up my characters...