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| #1ian.thomsonJul 14, 2010 22:07:07 | So, alcohol dehydrates. Usually, you don't usually find many alcoholics in the desert, or indeed regular partiers. Air conditioned civilizations with refrigerators built on top of deserts with plenty of water being pumped in, sure. But not actually in the desert. Alcohol also requires a fair amount of grain and water, that could be put to better use. However, alcohol does serve its purposes. Anasthesia, antiseptics, solvents, and, if used properly, antidepressant (yes, a depressant can be used to loosen up with some friends without being an alcoholic). Is there any mention of alcohol in the books, either the rulebooks or the novels? Flipping through the equipment in the original box set, I can't find anything. Even if alcohol is mentioned, should it be regularly present, or would other stuff have taken it's place? Some sort of root powder for it's medical uses, kank urine for solvents, peyote and shroom brews for getting hammered, or whatever. |
| #2SegadorDAlmasJul 14, 2010 22:49:52 | I would assume there would alternatives for exactly the reasons you stated. Alcohol is essentially one of the last things you want in a drinkable form in the desert. It seems possible that there are anasthesias, after all deserted areas in history are notorious for their medical skill (back in the day), but I would assume that this is rare as well. |
| #3Bly2729Jul 15, 2010 0:00:41 | Rare? Maybe. But definitely there. Remember, the world's oldest recipe is for beer, found in Mesopotamia, the precursor for Urik. As keenly noted in Firefly, beer was an important part of ancient diets. Wine was also important in ancient Egypt and the Levant. Dark Sun might be a desert but if they're producing food, they're producing alcohol. Think of it this way. As desperate as Athas is, there's still a large population (templars, smiths, merchants) not engaged in food production, therefore agriculture/herding still produces a surplus. As long as that surplus exists, there will be precious liquors. Hell even the Fremen made and sold spice beer. Even with epic world bending magic, the best ways to control a large slave and oppressed population are still tried and true vices. And if you still don't like that, there's probably a ton of Athasian hash and opium. |
| #4NyarlathotepJul 15, 2010 1:04:09 | One word, TEQUILA! |
| #5hantleJul 15, 2010 3:07:32 | there have been many references in the 2nd edition books to various Alcoholic Beverages. Primarily Kank Mead and Fermented Cactus |
| #6methvezemJul 15, 2010 7:45:49 | Here's a listing of Athasian alcoholic beverages as found in the Athasian Emporium, which hopefully list all the instance of these in the DS works:BeveragesAle, General: Raam and Tyr both export ale. Cheap ale is served warm. Asticles Wine: Asticles wine has a pale golden color and a tart, dry scent. It has a light taste that leaves the mouth dry. It is a very fine drink and as such is very expensive. Asticles wine is the preferred drink of nobles in Tyr. Beer: Gulg exports beer. Cold beer is available but expensive. Brown Wine: Brown wine is thick and is an acquired taste. Broy: Broy is made from fermented kank nectar. Spiced broy and watered-down broy are also available. When served plain, it is potent and foul tasting. However, broy can be served warm and spiced with a pungent herb that disguises its sourness, as well as enhanced its enrapturing powers. Bulis Berry Wine: The bulis berries can be made into a wine with a dark blue-purple color. The taste is sickeningly sweet and so is often mixed with water. Cactus Blue Ale: Cactus blue ale is served in Tyr and is made from fermented grall. The ale has a strong, rough taste and is very potent. Cider: Gulg exports cider. Elven Wine: Many elven tribes make their own wine, thought the process and quality vary from tribe to tribe. The Fastcoin elven tribe specializes in the sale of a simplistic elven wine, light on taste but fast and cheap to produce. Sky Singer wine, on the other hand, is made from kank honey and is an acquired taste, potent in both flavor as well as alcohol content. Goat Milk: Fermented goat’s milk is served in bars. Honey Barley Ale: Honey barley ale is made from honey barley. It has a smooth taste that is slightly sweet. Javo Nectar: Fermented javo nectar is potent. The nectar retains the sweet flavor of the javo, but does not have the obnoxious smell. Klick-win: Klick-win is a sickly-sweet wine made from fermented flowers by tohr-kreen. Kola Tea: Kola nuts are from Gulg. The nuts can be grounded into a fine powder which is then steeped in water. The resulting beverage is tasty and also stimulates the mind and wards off sleep. Milkwine: Milkwine is a gummy liquid. Palewater Ale: Palewater ale is served in Salt View. It has a rough yet simple taste. Palm Wine: Palm wine is of poor quality but is affordable to the lower classes. Port: Good port is available. A sweet dessert wine, it is drunk exclusively by the nobility. Pulque: Pulque is fermented cactus juice that is drunk in Draj. Pulque comes from the huge maguey cactus. The taste is milky and slightly sour. Red Wine: Thick red wine is served in Tyr. Sapwine: Sapwine is tart. It is fermented from tree resin and has a powerful kick. Most consider it to be the foulest drink available in the wine shops of Tyr and Gulg. Scuppernong Wine: Scuppernong can be fermented into a silver wine that is thick, with a slightly bitter taste. Spiced Mead: Spiced mead is served in many taverns. Spiced Wine: Spiced wine is sold in wine shops. The wine is mixed with a variety of spices to give it a strong flavor. |
| #7TectuktitlayJul 15, 2010 9:10:41 | Alcohol exists wherever there is a fermentation process, whether desert or no. Historically, desert cultures consumed alcohol, like much of the world, because it is less dangerous than drinking water (the yeast or other fermenting agent kills microorganisms; the alcohol itself kills more, albeit not much for beers and wines due to the low content). Yes, it dehydrates, especially in large quantities So? People will and do still consume it in areas where dehydration is quite a distinct possibility, such as desert or tundra, or out at sea on a ship. Alcohol most assuredly exists throughout Athas. |
| #8digglesJul 19, 2010 2:27:57 | Alcohol also requires a fair amount of grain and water, that could be put to better use Alcohol does NOT require grain at all. Any organic material with sugars or starches can be fermented to make alcohol including fruit (grapes, dates, apples, etc), honey, potatoes, etc. Alcoholic beverages are VERY important in a desert because they are very high in calories and very transportable. The Egyptians called beer 'liquid bread', for good reason. When grains or fruits arent in season, beer can be stored more easily. |
| #9nimblegrundJul 19, 2010 2:52:53 | Awesome list, Methvezem. I will definitely take that to the table with me. Could use some prices, though. In particular I remember Broy being mentioned alot in the books, and Asticles Wine, obviously. |
| #10phoenix_mJul 19, 2010 9:34:03 | Just a minor nit-pick here, isn't Kola Tea basiclly coffee. |
| #11DuskweaverJul 19, 2010 11:31:41 | Just a minor nit-pick here, isn't Kola Tea basiclly coffee. No. The kola plant is more closely related to the cacao tree than the coffee bean plant. That's assuming Athasian kola is the same as Earth kola, but the description makes it pretty clear that it is. EDIT: If your point was that it's non-alcoholic, though, then you're right. And it does contain caffeine, so in that sense it's simlar to coffee. Kola is better known to us Westerners by its alternate spelling: 'cola'. ![]() |
| #12Pyrate_JibJul 19, 2010 14:01:12 | I seem to recall something in one of the novels about the kanks producing a type of 'honey' like an aphid. Perhaps they favor the pipe on Athas? |
| #13nimblegrundJul 19, 2010 14:08:58 | I seem to recall something in one of the novels about the kanks producing a type of 'honey' like an aphid. Yes, kank nectar. They make broy out of it. ;] |
| #14TectuktitlayJul 19, 2010 14:09:41 | I seem to recall something in one of the novels about the kanks producing a type of 'honey' like an aphid. Yes, kank mead would indeed be quite apropos, and likely quite commonly served (as would other meads, since there are plenty of honey-producing insectoids on Athas, going by the old 2E stuff). As for the pipe? I'd say it's highly likely. Plant and animal-based euphorics and hallucinogens would be very common indeed. Many hallucinogenic drugs are derived from poisonous substances of various ilk. In heavy doses, lethal. In small, diluted doses, you'll get high. The others, that aren't poisonous to begin with, will both get people high, and not be as risky (generally without as intense a high). Such escape would be more common on a world like Athas, methinks. So, yes, not only would alcohol be prevalent, so would other types of drugs. |
| #15RalofTyrJul 19, 2010 15:43:18 | Remember, most alcohol, historically, wasn't very strong (3% for beer) and was safer to drink than water. |
| #16Bill4747Jul 20, 2010 10:02:26 | When the Sorceror King wants booze.....a hundred templars and a thousand slaves scramble to fetch it immediately. Or die in the arena. |
| #17MrCelsiusJul 20, 2010 11:53:31 | Mudder's milk will definitely be a mainstay among the slaves of my Athas. |
| #18Bill4747Jul 20, 2010 12:57:21 | That's from Firefly, right? |
| #19turloughJul 20, 2010 14:28:45 | That's from Firefly, right? "This is what it must feel like to go insane." Yes. Yes, it is. turlough |
| #20PennarinJul 20, 2010 18:31:46 | The Hero of Campton! The man they call "Jayne!" ![]() |
| #21turloughJul 21, 2010 7:23:17 | "No, THIS is what it must be like to go insane!" :P turlough |
| #22Bill4747Jul 21, 2010 10:21:04 | The Hero of Campton! The man they call "Jayne!" Brilliant episode! |
| #23samsaelJul 24, 2010 12:28:46 | The point of beer in ancient times was a method of grain storage. After you've made all the cereal and bread you needed, and stored the rest of the grain for as long as you could without it going bad or being eaten, you take what's left of it make beer. Beer still has calories and will prevent you from starving to death and keeps longer than grain or bread. |
| #24EnclaveJul 27, 2010 18:47:36 | The Hero of Campton! The man they call "Jayne!" It's Canton not Campton. /end firefly_geekness |
| #25the_ubbergeekJul 27, 2010 19:10:01 | But then, there is Compton and weed and malt liquor... ;) |