[Art] Dark Sun - Wasteland

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#1

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 15, 2010 10:57:24

What matters man, amidst such barren majesty?


IMAGE(http://www.silverblades-suitcase.com/darksun/darksun_wasteland_small.jpg)


Full size
www.silverblades-suitcase.com/darksun/da...


 

#2

Duke5150

Sep 15, 2010 11:07:53

Awesome artwork! Although the yellow sun kinda spoils any chance I'd actually use this. Maybe for a green age game in like a desert canyon.

#3

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 15, 2010 11:15:30
Cheers!

well the sun is almost black...but this is what folk keep forgetting
If the Dark Sun only gave off red light, Athas would look horrible for artworks, lol
and I've long took the idea that the sun heats/causes an enormous chromosphere, the corona gives off  suitable light so the Sun goes more yellow at edges

so, the original render the sun's much darker but a dark sun well, you would be in a dark reddish boring looking world ;)

#4

ayanel

Sep 15, 2010 11:51:19
Very, very nice!  Thank you for sharing it. Smile
#5

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 15, 2010 13:17:22
Duke
here try this, darker sun version
www.silverblades-suitcase.com/darksun/da...

real suns can't do this, so lot more Photoshopping etc hehe

Ayanel
cheers, my pleasure!
#6

Pennarin

Sep 15, 2010 15:15:13
Both versions your best work yet, Silverblade. Keep on drawing...digitally!
#7

Alphastream

Sep 16, 2010 17:45:47
Always great stuff! Eveyone should check out Silverblade's site!
#8

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 17, 2010 7:03:43
*bows with a theatrical flourish*
thanks guys!
#9

borysofebe

Sep 21, 2010 8:13:06
Bump and awesome work! We absolutely need more DS art!
#10

corpseking

Sep 21, 2010 8:16:29
I am no scientist so forgive me if I am wrong but don't all suns regardless of hue give off the same color spectrum? It's not the color of the sun that determines the hue rather its how the light spectrum bounces off/gets absorbed by objects and the interaction of the human eye?
#11

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 21, 2010 9:16:30
Borys
ta!

CorpseKing,
Suns vary in what light they give off by their size/age. But yes they do give off a specturm of colours, but it's dominated to some extent usually by one end of the spectrum depending on their heat
their heat is dependant on their size, composition and age. 

Size and age  affects their composition, so, our sun is mostly hydrogen with some helium, but old, dying red giants have far more heavier elements as their fusion processes convert one element into another, eventually ending up with iron and then they explode or contract and dwindle away.
Elements heavier than iron are created in supernovae
elements reflect or emit light storngly in specific wavelength unique to them.

and our eyes don't differentiate some colours well enough to note this, our eyes only see Red, blue and green, then combine that to make other colours in our brain, but the cells in the eyes that pick up green also tend to bleed into red and blue so a storng green is quite a "tight" narrow band of colour

Huge, massive young, short live stars are very blue like Rigel
Old bloated dying stars (red giants) are strongly red/orange (like Betelgeuse)
There are even "green" stars! (technically our sun IS actually yellow and slightly green but we simply cna't see the green well enough to distinguish it so it loosk orangy/white)
Red dwarfs, so small they don't burn fiercely
Sol, which is yellow-orange but basically loosk white. It's not true white, it's a very very pale orangy tan.

www.universetoday.com/18689/color-of-the...
www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae...
www.universetoday.com/18689/color-of-the...

This is the true colour of the Sun, now, I'm an artist so I don't see that as "white" as I'm far more picky ;)
sun.png

Solar coronas (above the surface) also affect light as they are heated up to millions of degrees so mostly emit X-rays
black holes crush matter so terribly they heat it up enormously and again emit xrays more than visible light, but you woudl probably see the area around the black hole, the accretion disc, glowing brightly from all the radiation and heat generated by the gravity, emitted x-rays, and friction as things smash into each other at incredible speeds.

then, our atmosphere scatters certian colours. the sky appears appears blue, because it scatters the blue and violet colours. However, at very low angles difraction and absortion by dust particles turns the light red.

light form objects that do not emit their own light, is all reflections, some colours are absorbed, so a "red" vase is actually absorbing blue and green colours storngly, leaivng more red. again this is based on what elements are in the surface material, which have their own unique favourite colours they absorb

thus, Athas is a PAIN to create with my setup :/

the actual sky of Athas is darkish olive green according ot most sources, some say orangy-brown (it will go orangy brown as SUn gets low as my pic shows, as the sy Is set to dark olive green)

The Sun is enormous like a stretched-out hands breadth at arms length so it will have a massive corona caused by the atmosphere (not the Sun's actual personal solar corona, but the effect as the light gets scattered to hell by it's power on hitting the atmosphere)

I exagerate moon/Sun sizes near horizon for artistic effect, and also because of the real life illusion that occurs as such objects seem to double in size near the horizon

The Sun is mostly black with glowing hot cracks like lava, but for it to give off visible light enough to see by it must do so by having one hell of a huge corona heated up to temperatures in the visible light spectrum (well, that's my theory, hehe)

now..my software (Vue) is designed to emulate Earth skies very realistically, when I dial in Athasian stuff though...urf, it goes weird. Super bright red sun, green sky, few or no clouds...that is not Earth ;)
so it's  a question of fiddling with it to get it looking good.

you cannot have the Sun of athas jsut giving off red light it would all look red and horrible. hence my idea about the solar corona giving off visible light. so that's a problem Dark SUn fans have to ralize: a red sun and a red sun alone, would make everything look red and crap! lol
hence we must assume the light on Athas is either coming form a solar corona giving off white, OR the atmosphere scatters it to white from red.  *shrug*?
if the atmosphere is olive green, it would mean it's scattering out the green and some blue, which would make the light even MORE red reaching the surface.
So, Athas is impossible to have normal light without some odd factor.
*shrugs again*?

one mistake I forgot to fix, was, because the image is rendered in Widescreen format, the edges of the image get distorted
as it's like using real cameras, you get the "fish eye" effect at edges with wide angle stuff.
so the Sun, if you look is spread out to much on the far right hand side, so it's ovoid, damn! in other pics I had fixed that by literally stretching out the Sun's model lol
#12

XXXJ666

Sep 21, 2010 14:25:56
Always great stuff! Eveyone should check out Silverblade's site!



I jsut spent some time there. Alot of hard work and alot of content displayed on there. Will be back there again. Great work SB!
#13

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 21, 2010 17:10:47

XXXJ666,
thank you!
well about 10 years worth of messing around ;)


and another tweak, trying to get the atmosphere/Dark Sun itself better looking etc


Another tweaked version


FULL SIZED
www.silverblades-suitcase.com/darksun/da...



Preview pic


darksun_wasteland3_small.jpg

#14

Zardnaar

Sep 22, 2010 7:19:18
Wow. How long does it take to do something like that?
#15

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Sep 22, 2010 7:31:27
well If I said " a few days" that wouldn't actually be the full story
reality is I've been working away to get a better atmosphere/lighting set up for Athas for years.
takes a long time to learn how ot get good lighting for normal scenes, it's like learning any art/craft though you cna make good pics quickly, it takes time ot learn how to make great pics ;)


the crodlu rider is a character from a previosu pic, I save them, and re-use them cause they take about a day to assmble each.
I buy the parts for most creatures/people which are made in "Poser", or it would take MONTHS for each scene
then I arrange the person/clothes/wepaons etc in Poser, imort into Vue (my main app), save it.

I even bought the terrainL the cliffs, I'd made some but not as good as I wanted, so I bought that one, tweaked it to suit the pic.

with 3D you cna build everything, but that takes a LOT of time I just do not have or wish to spend. I'm making scenes and leanring new tricks with each

so the simple answer is 3 or 4 days

if you want to try this hobby, thisis the demo version of my fave app
secure.e-onsoftware.com/try/vue_8_ple/
it's honestly not that hard to pick up
an this is their online basic video guides
www.e-onsoftware.com/support/tutorials/
tons of free LEGAL stuff out there you can get. no need to pirate
#16

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Oct 01, 2010 20:26:12
Another tweak ;)
trying to get the sky olive green

 


darksun_wasteland4_small.jpg


Full sized version , here

www.silverblades-suitcase.com/darksun/da...

#17

burntcrispy

Oct 02, 2010 10:42:24
Wow, either version looks really good.
#18

Silverblade_The_Enchanter

Oct 02, 2010 17:03:43
BurntCrispy,
cheers! *bows*
#19

Burren

Oct 02, 2010 19:49:14
Those are beautiful pieces, Silverblade.  I particularly like the latter of the group with the olive hue of the sky.  Also, I checked out your site and was much impressed with how well you capture the look and feel of Athas.  Thank you for sharing your work with us!
#20

Tectuktitlay

Oct 02, 2010 20:27:07
BurntCrispy,
cheers! *bows*



The olive version looks virtually perfect (rimshot).  :D  That's very close to how I perceive the average desert view on Athas during the day appearing.  Fantastic job, Silverblade!
#21

nosan2

Oct 03, 2010 6:38:45
Awesome stuff.  Sites like this remind me of just how awesome of a creative outlet D&D can be for its fans.  Keep it up.