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#1
wayneodell
Sep 11, 2010 11:20:01 Anyone have a clue when we could expect the character builder to be updated with the Dark Suns stuff this month. There is nothing on the content calender aas to when.

Thanks for any help.
#2
coffeegoblin
Sep 11, 2010 11:21:54 i think there's gonna be a huge update,on the 21st sept.psipower,darksun,and maybe essentials.
#3
wayneodell
Sep 11, 2010 13:09:58
i think there's gonna be a huge update,on the 21st sept.psipower,darksun,and maybe essentials.

Thanks a bunch
#4
carahue
Sep 22, 2010 3:35:36 It's the 22nd, and still no update? Anyone has any concrete info? We had to postpone the start of our Dark Sun campaign once again.
#5
Guysery2k
Sep 22, 2010 3:54:54 It's been delayed until October
#6
carahue
Sep 22, 2010 4:21:12 Oh, how disappointing. Any word on when in October?
#7
Guysery2k
Sep 22, 2010 6:08:07 It seems there is no precise date atm
#8
FlashbackJon
Sep 22, 2010 10:58:09 It's just the standard October update. Whichever day that is.
#9
Nyarlathotep
Sep 22, 2010 14:08:13
It's just the standard October update. Whichever day that is.

In theory (assuming they stick to the normal pattern of the first Tuesday), it would be the fifth. Given that there have already been two delays, I am not counting on it though.
#10
coffeegoblin
Sep 22, 2010 14:17:53 this is why i use my friends account,to update my cb.i'll be damned if i'm gonna pay for something like this.
imagine if you ordered something of amazon,or somewhere,and they said 'sorry,you're not getting what you paid for,till next month'.
personnaly,i'm a sad panda.
#11
flip
Sep 22, 2010 14:53:45 Consider that the change for Dark Sun involves adding character Theme support. It's not just a data update, it's also a change to the way characters are put together. As a software developer, I can appreciate what a pain in the rear that could be to have to do.

Now, they've known about this for months (themes were in my ARC, which I had in November of last year) so supposedly there's time to implement ... but then, who knows how closely the divisions talk to each other?
#12
Nyarlathotep
Sep 22, 2010 14:56:26
Consider that the change for Dark Sun involves adding character Theme support. It's not just a data update, it's also a change to the way characters are put together. As a software developer, I can appreciate what a pain in the rear that could be to have to do.

Now, they've known about this for months (themes were in my ARC, which I had in November of last year) so supposedly there's time to implement ... but then, who knows how closely the divisions talk to each other?

Sure, but the fact that they have had two delays already tells me that they are running into some sort of major issue. Who knows when they will have it sorted out? Could be tomorrow, could be next year. My money is on 'soon'.

#13
furiousgreg
Sep 22, 2010 15:18:10 Chances are the development team was not given some key info until late in the dev process and that caused the delay. Add this to trying to integrate two major changes, DS and Essentials, in the same build and you've basically put the guys on the ground in a world of hurt. If your going to blame anyone blame the Project Managers and probably Marketing (they are always screwing shite up ). The PMs for not pushing back and getting realistic deadlines and the "Decision Makers" for not giving a shite about the people who actually have to get the work done (over work'em, devs are a dime a dozen in their minds ).
#14
coffeegoblin
Sep 22, 2010 15:23:58
Chances are the development team was not given some key info until late in the dev process and that caused the delay. Add this to trying to integrate two major changes, DS and Essentials, in the same build and you've basically put the guys on the ground in a world of hurt. If your going to blame anyone blame the Project Managers and probably Marketing (they are always screwing shite up ). The PMs for not pushing back and getting realistic deadlines and the "Decision Makers" for not giving a shite about the people who actually have to get the work done (over work'em, devs are a dime a dozen in their minds ).

you're quite right,sir.
it's not the monkey's fault,it's the organ-grinder's(to coin an old saying).
personally,if they had not bothered with putting essentials on the cb(or not bothered with essentials at all,but that's just me)and put ds and psipower on,this month,i think they would have done it by now.
the dev's have done good work up till now,it's just the management that gives them unreasonable demands(ain't it always?lol)

#15
Michielfl
Oct 09, 2010 3:55:03

personally,if they had not bothered with putting essentials on the cb(or not bothered with essentials at all,but that's just me)and put ds and psipower on,this month,i think they would have done it by now.
the dev's have done good work up till now,it's just the management that gives them unreasonable demands(ain't it always?lol)

You are right i stating that management could have handled this better. I believe the biggest problem is indeed the combination of psionic power, dark sun and the essentials. Especially the essentials line, which introduces a complete rule update. You could call it 4.1. Introducing these updates in the builder is a complete system rework. Imagine reworking all the feats, the whole implement system, combining essentials with normal classes, and introducing the theme system from Dark Sun. All this is a lot of code changing and a lot of possible bugs, errors, etc. I feel sorry for the guys.

#16
baronspam
Oct 09, 2010 6:35:25 October 12 is the date for Character builder update. The monster builder will update sometime later in the month. The update will have Dark Sun, Psionic Power, and the first Essetails Heroes book.
#17
phoffman
Oct 09, 2010 7:01:29 Here is the thread if you want to discuss the October Update.

community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...

#18
baronspam
Oct 09, 2010 10:11:17 My bad. It looks like the CB update does not include DS and Essentials. I was confused because they are going into the compendium, for whatever that is worth.
#19
sir_sparhawk
Oct 09, 2010 11:48:05 What the @#$%??? My players need the god damn mother f#$%'n Dark Sun Character Builder update. The Compendium update is F#$%'n useless to me and them. GET YOUR f#$%'N $HIT TOGETHER WIZARDS!!!!
#20
baronspam
Oct 09, 2010 12:18:04
What the @#$%??? My players need the god damn mother f#$%'n Dark Sun Character Builder update. The Compendium update is F#$%'n useless to me and them. GET YOUR f#$%'N $HIT TOGETHER WIZARDS!!!!

I felt much the same, I was just not able to muster your wit, your eloquence, your flair for evocative language in expressing my dismay.
#21
big_goon
Oct 09, 2010 17:19:41 Thanks for the update Baronspam.

I was hoping to get a Dark Sun/Psionic Character Builder and Monster Building right after the CS books came out. But now that it looks like there won't be an update until November at the earliest, I haven't renewed my yearly subscription.

For what its worth Wizards: I'm not renewing until I get adventure tools and a character builder fit for Dark Sun.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 wayneodell Sep 11, 2010 11:20:01	Anyone have a clue when we could expect the character builder to be updated with the Dark Suns stuff this month. There is nothing on the content calender aas to when. Thanks for any help.
#2 coffeegoblin Sep 11, 2010 11:21:54	i think there's gonna be a huge update,on the 21st sept.psipower,darksun,and maybe essentials.
#3 wayneodell Sep 11, 2010 13:09:58	i think there's gonna be a huge update,on the 21st sept.psipower,darksun,and maybe essentials. Thanks a bunch
#4 carahue Sep 22, 2010 3:35:36	It's the 22nd, and still no update? Anyone has any concrete info? We had to postpone the start of our Dark Sun campaign once again.
#5 Guysery2k Sep 22, 2010 3:54:54	It's been delayed until October
#6 carahue Sep 22, 2010 4:21:12	Oh, how disappointing. Any word on when in October?
#7 Guysery2k Sep 22, 2010 6:08:07	It seems there is no precise date atm
#8 FlashbackJon Sep 22, 2010 10:58:09	It's just the standard October update. Whichever day that is.
#9 Nyarlathotep Sep 22, 2010 14:08:13	It's just the standard October update. Whichever day that is. In theory (assuming they stick to the normal pattern of the first Tuesday), it would be the fifth. Given that there have already been two delays, I am not counting on it though.
#10 coffeegoblin Sep 22, 2010 14:17:53	this is why i use my friends account,to update my cb.i'll be damned if i'm gonna pay for something like this. imagine if you ordered something of amazon,or somewhere,and they said 'sorry,you're not getting what you paid for,till next month'. personnaly,i'm a sad panda.
#11 flip Sep 22, 2010 14:53:45	Consider that the change for Dark Sun involves adding character Theme support. It's not just a data update, it's also a change to the way characters are put together. As a software developer, I can appreciate what a pain in the rear that could be to have to do. Now, they've known about this for months (themes were in my ARC, which I had in November of last year) so supposedly there's time to implement ... but then, who knows how closely the divisions talk to each other?
#12 Nyarlathotep Sep 22, 2010 14:56:26	Consider that the change for Dark Sun involves adding character Theme support. It's not just a data update, it's also a change to the way characters are put together. As a software developer, I can appreciate what a pain in the rear that could be to have to do. Now, they've known about this for months (themes were in my ARC, which I had in November of last year) so supposedly there's time to implement ... but then, who knows how closely the divisions talk to each other? Sure, but the fact that they have had two delays already tells me that they are running into some sort of major issue. Who knows when they will have it sorted out? Could be tomorrow, could be next year. My money is on 'soon'.
#13 furiousgreg Sep 22, 2010 15:18:10	Chances are the development team was not given some key info until late in the dev process and that caused the delay. Add this to trying to integrate two major changes, DS and Essentials, in the same build and you've basically put the guys on the ground in a world of hurt. If your going to blame anyone blame the Project Managers and probably Marketing (they are always screwing shite up ). The PMs for not pushing back and getting realistic deadlines and the "Decision Makers" for not giving a shite about the people who actually have to get the work done (over work'em, devs are a dime a dozen in their minds ).
#14 coffeegoblin Sep 22, 2010 15:23:58	Chances are the development team was not given some key info until late in the dev process and that caused the delay. Add this to trying to integrate two major changes, DS and Essentials, in the same build and you've basically put the guys on the ground in a world of hurt. If your going to blame anyone blame the Project Managers and probably Marketing (they are always screwing shite up ). The PMs for not pushing back and getting realistic deadlines and the "Decision Makers" for not giving a shite about the people who actually have to get the work done (over work'em, devs are a dime a dozen in their minds ). you're quite right,sir. it's not the monkey's fault,it's the organ-grinder's(to coin an old saying). personally,if they had not bothered with putting essentials on the cb(or not bothered with essentials at all,but that's just me)and put ds and psipower on,this month,i think they would have done it by now. the dev's have done good work up till now,it's just the management that gives them unreasonable demands(ain't it always?lol)
#15 Michielfl Oct 09, 2010 3:55:03	personally,if they had not bothered with putting essentials on the cb(or not bothered with essentials at all,but that's just me)and put ds and psipower on,this month,i think they would have done it by now. the dev's have done good work up till now,it's just the management that gives them unreasonable demands(ain't it always?lol) You are right i stating that management could have handled this better. I believe the biggest problem is indeed the combination of psionic power, dark sun and the essentials. Especially the essentials line, which introduces a complete rule update. You could call it 4.1. Introducing these updates in the builder is a complete system rework. Imagine reworking all the feats, the whole implement system, combining essentials with normal classes, and introducing the theme system from Dark Sun. All this is a lot of code changing and a lot of possible bugs, errors, etc. I feel sorry for the guys.
#16 baronspam Oct 09, 2010 6:35:25	October 12 is the date for Character builder update. The monster builder will update sometime later in the month. The update will have Dark Sun, Psionic Power, and the first Essetails Heroes book.
#17 phoffman Oct 09, 2010 7:01:29	Here is the thread if you want to discuss the October Update. community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
#18 baronspam Oct 09, 2010 10:11:17	My bad. It looks like the CB update does not include DS and Essentials. I was confused because they are going into the compendium, for whatever that is worth.
#19 sir_sparhawk Oct 09, 2010 11:48:05	What the @#$%??? My players need the god damn mother f#$%'n Dark Sun Character Builder update. The Compendium update is F#$%'n useless to me and them. GET YOUR f#$%'N $HIT TOGETHER WIZARDS!!!!
#20 baronspam Oct 09, 2010 12:18:04	What the @#$%??? My players need the god damn mother f#$%'n Dark Sun Character Builder update. The Compendium update is F#$%'n useless to me and them. GET YOUR f#$%'N $HIT TOGETHER WIZARDS!!!! I felt much the same, I was just not able to muster your wit, your eloquence, your flair for evocative language in expressing my dismay.
#21 big_goon Oct 09, 2010 17:19:41	Thanks for the update Baronspam. I was hoping to get a Dark Sun/Psionic Character Builder and Monster Building right after the CS books came out. But now that it looks like there won't be an update until November at the earliest, I haven't renewed my yearly subscription. For what its worth Wizards: I'm not renewing until I get adventure tools and a character builder fit for Dark Sun.