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Crown of Dust, Immortals & Athas

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#1
Morrigan
Oct 08, 2011 12:51:19 Quick question, seeing as how one of my players just got this artifact. A quick browse of the Compendium shows that virtually all Immortal creatures from 1-10 are devils or something similar, which from what I remember never cropped up that much in Dark Sun. But seeing as how killing an Immortal is one of the concordence-raisers, they're something that the player will feel justifiably cheated about if I ignore them totally. Without suddenly throwing in demons for the sake of demons, has anyone else thought of ways around this one, or possibly changing the creature type the Crown preys upon?
#2
seti
Oct 08, 2011 16:28:44 DM it up.

By that I mean, make something up. "immortal" is just a word. Have the PC kill an appropriately leveled elemental.

I used to be an insider (don't let me whine about how the CB and everything changed, lol), and the compendium is cool...but, it's your game.

Peace.
#3
DontEatRawHagis
Oct 09, 2011 6:25:18 Homebrew a few immortals. As said above elementals are pretty good. If necessary turn Shardminds from MM3 into lesser golems or something similiar keeping the immortal tag.
#4
khorne37
Oct 10, 2011 11:56:58 Elementals were the target of the crowns protection being that it rested with a primordial. So killling them is a bad thing in it's eyes...
#5
saethone
Oct 11, 2011 18:51:09 there can be immortals from the gray though, i'd pull some generic 'shadowfell' encounter mobs and score them up as immortals
#6
Bera
Oct 13, 2011 1:07:07 The earliest Dark Sun materials from 2nd Edition did have demons and such from the outer planes. Either they didn't come up with the closed-sphere ideas right away or some of that stuff got through editing.

At any rate, the new setting has a place for Devils in the gray, so no worries. And while the Astral Sea is largely empty, that doesn't mean you couldn't have shardminds or a remnant deva or whatnot.
#7
DontEatRawHagis
Oct 14, 2011 23:37:27 I feel like I need a 101 course on Planes and the Astral Sea, I just see it as trying to make a shared universe for DnD, dont know where demons and elementals are in the scheme of things.
#8
khorne37
Oct 17, 2011 10:22:34 The astral sea is common heaven hell and elemental plane of chaos is where the elementals come from.
#9
Bera
Oct 17, 2011 17:45:40 Also the Elan (see Psionic Power) are immortal and might be a powerful psionic nemesis, like the Order. Could be useful.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Morrigan Oct 08, 2011 12:51:19	Quick question, seeing as how one of my players just got this artifact. A quick browse of the Compendium shows that virtually all Immortal creatures from 1-10 are devils or something similar, which from what I remember never cropped up that much in Dark Sun. But seeing as how killing an Immortal is one of the concordence-raisers, they're something that the player will feel justifiably cheated about if I ignore them totally. Without suddenly throwing in demons for the sake of demons, has anyone else thought of ways around this one, or possibly changing the creature type the Crown preys upon?
#2 seti Oct 08, 2011 16:28:44	DM it up. By that I mean, make something up. "immortal" is just a word. Have the PC kill an appropriately leveled elemental. I used to be an insider (don't let me whine about how the CB and everything changed, lol), and the compendium is cool...but, it's your game. Peace.
#3 DontEatRawHagis Oct 09, 2011 6:25:18	Homebrew a few immortals. As said above elementals are pretty good. If necessary turn Shardminds from MM3 into lesser golems or something similiar keeping the immortal tag.
#4 khorne37 Oct 10, 2011 11:56:58	Elementals were the target of the crowns protection being that it rested with a primordial. So killling them is a bad thing in it's eyes...
#5 saethone Oct 11, 2011 18:51:09	there can be immortals from the gray though, i'd pull some generic 'shadowfell' encounter mobs and score them up as immortals
#6 Bera Oct 13, 2011 1:07:07	The earliest Dark Sun materials from 2nd Edition did have demons and such from the outer planes. Either they didn't come up with the closed-sphere ideas right away or some of that stuff got through editing. At any rate, the new setting has a place for Devils in the gray, so no worries. And while the Astral Sea is largely empty, that doesn't mean you couldn't have shardminds or a remnant deva or whatnot.
#7 DontEatRawHagis Oct 14, 2011 23:37:27	I feel like I need a 101 course on Planes and the Astral Sea, I just see it as trying to make a shared universe for DnD, dont know where demons and elementals are in the scheme of things.
#8 khorne37 Oct 17, 2011 10:22:34	The astral sea is common heaven hell and elemental plane of chaos is where the elementals come from.
#9 Bera Oct 17, 2011 17:45:40	Also the Elan (see Psionic Power) are immortal and might be a powerful psionic nemesis, like the Order. Could be useful.