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| #1entropysodaJun 22, 2010 13:17:53 | All Dark Sun chars. choose 1 theme. All themes grant 1 encounter power. More on Themes: |
| #2Band2Jun 22, 2010 13:21:54 | The wastelander's fury is probably based on Strength. It has the same attack bonus as all of the mul's powers, which are based on strength, and it adds strength to the damage roll. That would mean that the attack bonus for the alhulak is +3. |
| #3xlorep_darkhelmJun 22, 2010 14:59:44 | I would hope that there are different options for the Elemental Priest theme... at least one per element, y'know? |
| #4Duke5150Jun 22, 2010 18:56:00 | I would hope that there are different options for the Elemental Priest theme... at least one per element, y'know? Agreed. |
| #5tjsJun 22, 2010 19:10:50 | The wastelander's fury is probably based on Strength. It has the same attack bonus as all of the mul's powers, which are based on strength, and it adds strength to the damage roll. I really, really, really, hope that the themes are not tied to single abilities scores. If they're going to do that then they might as well have just made new class builds instead. I will be very unhappy if I can't play my psionic beastmaster ranger with the wilder theme. I want versatility. |
| #6beej_silverJun 22, 2010 23:51:12 | The theme attack powers are, if I were to guess, tied to either physical (Choose Str, Con, Dex) or mental (Choose Int, Wis, Cha) abilities respectively. Case in point, the Templar Warlock of Nibenay used charisma for her Templar's Fist, while the Warlord Templar used intelligence (even though his str was definitely higher). Using Wisdom for Templar's Fist doesn't seem to farfetched either, but I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't turn out to be the case. Also, it seems that the Noble Adept theme grants the character 1 power point. One pregen had 1 power point (he was a fighter), while the other, psionic adept has 3. |
| #7FlashbackJonJun 23, 2010 9:50:32 | The theme attack powers are, if I were to guess, tied to either physical (Choose Str, Con, Dex) or mental (Choose Int, Wis, Cha) abilities respectively. Definitely, almost all non-class powers thusfar have been this way. I'm guessing they will act just like Spellscarred in that fashion. |
| #8entropysodaJun 25, 2010 17:43:19 | Wish they'd release more themes...but I made one of my own: "Martial Artist" using the monk "Stone Fist flurry of blows" class feature as an encounter power. |
| #9ValienJul 04, 2010 16:45:59 | The Wilder theme does not grant 1 power point but the Noble Adept theme does? That seems strange to me. Plus, the Gladiator theme uses whatever ability modifier you have in it's attack roll. Previewed by this month's Ampersand. I can only guess the other ones do as well. |
| #10lizardmageJul 04, 2010 18:20:21 | So I suppose the broader question that I will ask is this...Will themes be carried over to standard D&D? I easily see DDI support for future themes, wouldn't mind seeing them move out of DS if they come up with good ones, such as taking straight Wizards and then applying schools of magic based themes. Just a thought. |
| #11openpalmJul 04, 2010 19:51:03 | Thanks for the post entropysoda. I've really gotta say that I like the Disrupting Advance (Good damage, pretty good control) and Adept's Insight(essentially take a feat, gain memory of a thousand lifetimes as an encounter power.) Excise from Sight is also pretty useful if you want your defender's mark to set off, but I'm not sure if I would spend a feat on it. Also, if the Essentials preview has taught us anything is that most of these powers will scale based upon tier. Disrupting Advance will go to 3W at Paragon, 4W at epic. I really like this trend, since it means that the feat for taking these powers is never fully wasted. I have no idea how Adept's Insight will scale though, but it's not really necessary anyways. |
| #12efutchJul 04, 2010 20:42:19 | The theme preview for the Gladiator had all the powers listed as "primary ability" for attack and damage. It's nice now that a wizard can be a gladiator theme and use int and a dagger! lol. I really like things lsited as "primary ability" gives the themes so much more versatility and character cusomization. |
| #13tjsJul 04, 2010 22:50:04 | Disrupting Advance will go to 3W at Paragon, 4W at epic. I really like this trend, since it means that the feat for taking these powers is never fully wasted. I have no idea how Adept's Insight will scale though, but it's not really necessary anyways. What feat? I've seen nothing to indicate that themes will cost a feat. |
| #14beej_silverJul 05, 2010 9:23:38 | Hmm, I believe the Gladiator preview also mentions that DS characters can decide to not choose a theme if they don't want to, making them as optional as backgrounds. |
| #15jrwoodchuckJul 05, 2010 13:29:00 |
I recall hearing Rich Baker saying no they wouldn't. At least not in the near future on an official basis, however anything is popular if the idea is well received by the playing community. |
| #16xlorep_darkhelmJul 06, 2010 10:22:43 | I easily see DDI support for future themes, wouldn't mind seeing them move out of DS if they come up with good ones, such as taking straight Wizards and then applying schools of magic based themes. Just a thought. I believe the idea about themes is that they aren't specifically tied to one class (or even a small handful of classes), but are rather available for every class. |
| #17valsivisJul 09, 2010 13:39:32 | I am still reading up on 4th edition...but this idea of Themes sounds alot like the version of multclassing in 4th edition. From my initial review in comparison, i found multiclassing in 3.0-3.5 broken, and in 4th edition underwhelming...is this soft of a fix for this? Or this more intended to address the unique flavor of Darksun withouth contradicting base 4th edition rules? |
| #18xlorep_darkhelmJul 09, 2010 13:45:51 | I am still reading up on 4th edition...but this idea of Themes sounds alot like the version of multclassing in 4th edition. Not really multi-classing. Multi-classing in 4e is done in two basic approaches: Multi-class feats, or Hybrid classes (PHB3). Themes are, from what I've been told, more like the old 2E kits, in a lot of ways, but where they aren't specific to a given class, but rather a generalized one that anyone could potentially do. They add a bit of flavor to the setting and the characters within, and so far, are Dark Sun specific. |
| #19FlashbackJonJul 09, 2010 14:21:57 | From my initial review in comparison, i found multiclassing in 3.0-3.5 broken, and in 4th edition underwhelming... 4th edition multiclassing isn't the sort of class kitbashing that occured in previous editions (for that you want a Hybrid), but multiclass feats are some of the most powerful individual feats in the game. My characters are typically too feat-starved to spend any for a power swap, but I almost always end up with a multiclass feat. |
| #20valsivisJul 09, 2010 14:26:04 | Thanks for the clarification on mutliclassing and themes (when "kit from 2nd Ed" was said...it made more sense). I have only done some initial reading. If I ever get an opprotunity to actually play, I am sure I will get a better feel for the mechanics. |
| #21FlashbackJonJul 19, 2010 9:48:50 | Bump for updates: As per new info, all Theme powers use your highest ability score for attack and damage. You get the first power for free, the others are selected in place of your class powers, and have limited scaling (they get better when selected at a higher tier). |
| #22bsb150Jul 19, 2010 12:02:08 | Any thoughts on Athasian Minstrel? (Entertainers, spies, and assassins) |
| #23DuskweaverJul 19, 2010 14:36:32 | Any thoughts on Athasian Minstrel? (Entertainers, spies, and assassins) Other than that it's what used to be called a bard in DS? Seems like a good idea to give it a name that won't get it confused with the actual class, although I'm not crazy about the name they actually picked ('minstrel' sounds too strongly mediaeval-Europe to me*). Not sure what more there is to say at this stage... * - I'd have gone with 'ashik'. It just sounds like an Athasian word to me. Or possibly 'djali', which means both 'bard' and 'blood', which seems appropriate for a bardic assassin. |
| #24FlashbackJonJul 19, 2010 16:54:30 | I actually like the name simply because it's so diametrically opposed to their actual function. Speaks to the dichotomy. |