Do you think is is good idea or a waste of time using Vor Rukoth as a starter for creating Yaramuke. Thinking of doing a sand box exploration of the city, using this as a starter.
I don't know enough about Yaramuke, but I am seriously considering the transplanting of Vor Rukoth into Athas. The conversion will have to be pretty extensive anyhow, but since the book is mostly just hooks, it wouldn't be much more work than simply using the book in any other setting.
A lot of it, for my purposes, depends on the flavor of the tieflings in Athas.
heck i still do not got a hold of tieflings in athas... They just do not seem to fit even after reading about them in the book
Yeah the 4E DSCS book refluffing of them is fairly weak, so I plan on using their rules to represent 1st Generation Dray (the failed outcasts/experiments of Dregoth before he perfected the method and made 2nd Generation dray, which are what are being represented by dragon born in 4E)
Well they look cool at least
- Under Cosmology there are said to be a race of devils that migrated to the Gray (Shadowfell) before any connection was lost. They could be the group the humans made a bargain with.
- They could have made a deal with a Primordial.
- They could have made a deal with a demon lord as the Abyss is still reachable.
- There could be other creatures in the Gray with which they could have struck a deal.
- A mutation due to extensive defiling by a long dead sorcerer-king. You could change the Fire Resistance and Infernal Wrath's Fire keyword to Necrotic to fit the defiling theme better.
Just for starters.
heck i still do not got a hold of tieflings in athas... They just do not seem to fit even after reading about them in the book
I would make them Draxans. The humans of Ur Draxa have... changed, due to the dragon's influence, and portals to the elemental chaos in close proximity.
Borys has sent out Draxans for various tasks before, and even in one of the video games, an army. So there can be strange folks who seem tainted by a terrible power and do not talk about where they are from.
Their children breed true, becoming these tainted ones as well, and they are brutal geniuses.
heck i still do not got a hold of tieflings in athas... They just do not seem to fit even after reading about them in the book
Yeah the 4E DSCS book refluffing of them is fairly weak, so I plan on using their rules to represent 1st Generation Dray (the failed outcasts/experiments of Dregoth before he perfected the method and made 2nd Generation dray, which are what are being represented by dragon born in 4E)
Best idea I've heard for them yet! I know alot of people think they are cool but I must have missed that boat. I think the art for them in 4e is ridiculous. Horns and a tail!? Come on! Whatever happend to basically human with just a slight hint of the infernal. More like Fable, less like Hellboy. The 1st generation Dray idea is great. Fire Resistance, check. Pissed off, check. Messed up magical backstory, check. I'm doing it. Thanks Onanotaki.
heck i still do not got a hold of tieflings in athas... They just do not seem to fit even after reading about them in the book
Yeah the 4E DSCS book refluffing of them is fairly weak, so I plan on using their rules to represent 1st Generation Dray (the failed outcasts/experiments of Dregoth before he perfected the method and made 2nd Generation dray, which are what are being represented by dragon born in 4E)
Best idea I've heard for them yet! I know alot of people think they are cool but I must have missed that boat. I think the art for them in 4e is ridiculous. Horns and a tail!? Come on! Whatever happend to basically human with just a slight hint of the infernal. More like Fable, less like Hellboy. The 1st generation Dray idea is great. Fire Resistance, check. Pissed off, check. Messed up magical backstory, check. I'm doing it. Thanks Onanotaki.
Thanks! I am glad you like the idea, I have a bunch of other ideas over in this thread about reskinning player races to fit Darksun community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
check it out and feel free to leave feedback.
Considering this, there can be another popular Domain of Dread of Athasian origin: Kalidnay, which was seen in two different 2e Ravenloft supplements.
So...tieflings could be the descendants of humans who once lived in Kalidnay, and when the cataclysm hit it they all got shifted in the Gray into their own private Domain of Dread. There they got twisted into horrible forms, taking nightmarish forms from the comatose Kalid-Ma projecting his nightmares unto the survivors over generations. Then one day they escaped or got released, back to Athas.
Any takers?
OP: I am definitely going to look into this as I kept Yaramuke and Kalidnay around in my current game. Thanks!
As to tieflings, I think I have this wrong. The more I think about Athas and Sunwarped effects and the Pristine Tower, the more I think that weird should be the norm. I am very much thinking of Exalted here and how it creates things not normally possible. So, blue hair. Green hair. Strange markings. Mutants in appearance but nothing that is deadly. To that effect, tieflings, to me, would fit in perfectly regardless of whether we give them an origin. It allows the players to run free with their characters appearance. But, I do like them being from UrDraxa.
My other thought is that Dark Sun 2E was too much like a medieval apocalypse and we need the weird version as it fits better. But that's me.
As for the general idea of tieflings, or extra planar creatures, remember that the 2E boxed set(s), obviously the revised one more than the first one, did have at least two ways to get to the outer planes. There was a tower to the south that had a connection where demons/devils could come to Athas. The issue is whether or not these throw away lines should have been in Dark Sun is left up to the reader!
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The problem for me is that none of the other explanations (to me) give a satisfactory reason for why Tieflings are so tied to the fire damage descriptor. Failed experements (that breed true) in trying to transform people into the image of iconic dragons both explains it and the tendancy to have horns, tails, and useless wings.
Draxans would work, given their city is surrounded by a massive magma lake, and thus fire resistance would make sense and with the fire and magma elementals around they would easily take to fire magics; also the sky above them is covered by a huge dust storm, explaining their low light vision.
Their society is one of social infighting, where the smartest and cruelist survive, leading to a culture of megalomaniacs.
Also, without draxan influences, the existance of the term "Kaisharga" elsewhere would make little sense, since it comes from Draxan. (It means "Dead Lord")