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#1 phoenix_m Jul 04, 2010 0:38:40	Anyone know how big the new Athas map is going to be? I cannot find any thing on its size.
#2 jrwoodchuck Jul 04, 2010 13:08:36	That information hasn't been released. Though Rich Baker did say (I think in his blog) that they were going to spread the city states farther apart and thereby create more wilderness to be explored.
#3 RalofTyr Jul 04, 2010 13:19:11	So they're going to create a brand-new map? And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e? What do you all think about that?
#4 Duke5150 Jul 04, 2010 13:38:45	So they're going to create a brand-new map? And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e? What do you all think about that? I think it was hard enough surviving the trip from tyr to alturak, not to mention the trip from balic to draj, before. Now.... All I can say is, good luck!
#5 xlorep_darkhelm Jul 04, 2010 15:47:15	So they're going to create a brand-new map? And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e? What do you all think about that? I think it is supposed to look, for the most part, like the one from 2e, with a few changes. Like the distances are supposed to be farther, the halfling forests are hidden up in the mountains, etc. All of this is because, as has been said before, this isn't 2E Dark Sun being converted to 4E, but a new take on Dark Sun, I believe it was Rich Baker who called it something like "Ultimate Dark Sun" -- in the same variety of what Marvel did with their Ultimate series -- they take the best ideas from the divergent Dark Sun materials, blend them together, and make a new version of Dark Sun, familiar and yet a little different, with 4E concepts thrown into it. For the most part, it will be a lot like 2E's first boxed set (with the addition of the changes from the Freedom module and Verdant Passage novel), but they are adding in some later things (like Dregoth, and the Dray, for instance), cherry-picking whatever they like from all of the materials.
#6 phoenix_m Jul 05, 2010 1:59:56	Actually I was wanting to know how physically large the map is going to be, one page in a book or poster sized? What area it covers: I'm not so worried about that.
#7 Webster Jul 05, 2010 2:26:53	The other two campaign settings had poster maps in the back of the book. Take that for what you will.
#8 RalofTyr Jul 05, 2010 3:09:54	A new map troubles me; I'm planning on making a new map of the Tyr region, set in the past when the region was more lush (the Great Ivory Plain was uknown for it was a sea, the lake pit wasn't a pit, but a lake and Tyr had a river; Balic was surrounded by lush mudflats and the Sea of Silt slowly absorbed the old Green Age Sea. I don't want to create, an, "Out-Dated Map" that only the old skool would know. However, I'll be gone shortly after DS4e comes out for months; I probably will have other things to concern myself with.
#9 jrwoodchuck Jul 05, 2010 17:25:25	Actually I was wanting to know how physically large the map is going to be, one page in a book or poster sized? What area it covers: I'm not so worried about that. That information hasn't been released. The best anyone on these forums can do is speculate. Previous settings have had a foldout poster in the back of the books. Will Dark Sun? Lets hope. However previous versions have also had separate player and GM books for the setting. Dark Sun will not, so who knows.
#10 Tectuktitlay Jul 05, 2010 17:41:31	So they're going to create a brand-new map? And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e? What do you all think about that? ??? Who said anything about creating a new map, much less "one that looks nothing like the one in 2E"? Rich Baker said they were increasing the distances on the existing Tyr Region map, i.e. the core map in 2E. Thus, take the same map, replace, say, 1 mile with 5 miles, add more settlements along the trade routes and between the city (even if, old 2E style, the settlement is nothing more than a name and location), and voila! An updated map that makes the wilderness much more daunting, and merchant houses much more necessary for the viability of the economic stability of the entire region. What I think is that the map will look extremely similar to the old 2E map, albeit with more (not less) details present, but a sizable number of the new named settlements having a small blutb giving a rough idea for their further development at most.
#11 Webster Jul 06, 2010 2:34:01	Or, you don't have to draw anything at all, just use either a FR or Eberron map....

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phoenix_m

Jul 04, 2010 0:38:40

Anyone know how big the new Athas map is going to be?
I cannot find any thing on its size.

jrwoodchuck

Jul 04, 2010 13:08:36

That information hasn't been released. Though Rich Baker did say (I think in his blog) that they were going to spread the city states farther apart and thereby create more wilderness to be explored.

RalofTyr

Jul 04, 2010 13:19:11

So they're going to create a brand-new map?

And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e?

What do you all think about that?

Duke5150

Jul 04, 2010 13:38:45

So they're going to create a brand-new map?

And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e?

What do you all think about that?

I think it was hard enough surviving the trip from tyr to alturak, not to mention the trip from balic to draj, before. Now.... All I can say is, good luck!

xlorep_darkhelm

Jul 04, 2010 15:47:15

So they're going to create a brand-new map?

And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e?

What do you all think about that?

I think it is supposed to look, for the most part, like the one from 2e, with a few changes. Like the distances are supposed to be farther, the halfling forests are hidden up in the mountains, etc. All of this is because, as has been said before, this isn't 2E Dark Sun being converted to 4E, but a new take on Dark Sun, I believe it was Rich Baker who called it something like "Ultimate Dark Sun" -- in the same variety of what Marvel did with their Ultimate series -- they take the best ideas from the divergent Dark Sun materials, blend them together, and make a new version of Dark Sun, familiar and yet a little different, with 4E concepts thrown into it. For the most part, it will be a lot like 2E's first boxed set (with the addition of the changes from the Freedom module and Verdant Passage novel), but they are adding in some later things (like Dregoth, and the Dray, for instance), cherry-picking whatever they like from all of the materials.

phoenix_m

Jul 05, 2010 1:59:56

Actually I was wanting to know how physically large the map is going to be, one page in a book or poster sized?

What area it covers: I'm not so worried about that.

Webster

Jul 05, 2010 2:26:53

The other two campaign settings had poster maps in the back of the book.

Take that for what you will.

RalofTyr

Jul 05, 2010 3:09:54

A new map troubles me; I'm planning on making a new map of the Tyr region, set in the past when the region was more lush (the Great Ivory Plain was uknown for it was a sea, the lake pit wasn't a pit, but a lake and Tyr had a river; Balic was surrounded by lush mudflats and the Sea of Silt slowly absorbed the old Green Age Sea.

I don't want to create, an, "Out-Dated Map" that only the old skool would know. However, I'll be gone shortly after DS4e comes out for months; I probably will have other things to concern myself with.

jrwoodchuck

Jul 05, 2010 17:25:25

Actually I was wanting to know how physically large the map is going to be, one page in a book or poster sized?

What area it covers: I'm not so worried about that.

That information hasn't been released. The best anyone on these forums can do is speculate. Previous settings have had a foldout poster in the back of the books. Will Dark Sun? Lets hope. However previous versions have also had separate player and GM books for the setting. Dark Sun will not, so who knows.

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Tectuktitlay

Jul 05, 2010 17:41:31

So they're going to create a brand-new map?

And one that looks nothing like the one in 2e?

What do you all think about that?

??? Who said anything about creating a new map, much less "one that looks nothing like the one in 2E"?

Rich Baker said they were increasing the distances on the existing Tyr Region map, i.e. the core map in 2E. Thus, take the same map, replace, say, 1 mile with 5 miles, add more settlements along the trade routes and between the city (even if, old 2E style, the settlement is nothing more than a name and location), and voila! An updated map that makes the wilderness much more daunting, and merchant houses much more necessary for the viability of the economic stability of the entire region.

What I think is that the map will look extremely similar to the old 2E map, albeit with more (not less) details present, but a sizable number of the new named settlements having a small blutb giving a rough idea for their further development at most.

#11

Webster

Jul 06, 2010 2:34:01

Or, you don't have to draw anything at all, just use either a FR or Eberron map....