Sorcerer-king pact warlocks of kalak

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#1

GreenWarlock

Jul 26, 2010 18:44:32
So I'm new to the setting, having started playing in 3.0. Recently I read the verdant passage and have become consumed by it devouring info on it.

So with the new article we have the sorcerer king pacts it says that they cannot observe or strip the warlock of that power. My question to those with greater knowledge of how the setting works is what happens to those Templars that Kalsk had when he died? Were they stripped of their power or did they still have some of it? I can see a lot of poor orphaned warlocks having to go into hiding in this scary new world where they're magic is no longer legal.
#2

Pennarin

Jul 26, 2010 22:46:17
They still have their powers.

The hard thing that no one knows how they'll pull off is explain how former slaves now rule Tyr (along with a former templar) if all the templars still have their powers? What has changed besides an absent superpowerful king? Why would Hamanu risk sending an army to take over Tyr if the city still has the same firepower at its disposal that it had before the rebellion? 

In 2e templars lost their powers, and that explained everything: they suckered to the winners, ingratiating themselves into their favors, as by then they only had their martial training to help them against a vengeful mob - no more royal lightning to rain down on rebels. 

I'm curious as to how they'll pull it off.
#3

ian.thomson

Jul 26, 2010 23:39:34
That may be why they're setting it pretty much just after Kalak's death.  His templars are still there, they're still powered, Kalak's death was just the thing to rally everyone in the city to say "that's it, we're not taking this anymore."  Your typical templar probably won't have much more than a few spells, and even though that's more powerful than the average slave, there's a lot more slaves.  There's also probably some templars that don't mind the idea of a free city, and they might hook up with the Veiled Alliance pretty quickly.

So the city is definately going to be freed, but since the rest of the novels are just a possible, future, it doesn't have to last.
#4

ascottbay

Jul 27, 2010 0:47:00
My impression of Hamanu's attack is that he saw that the city's main firepower - Kalak - was gone, and that a precious resource (the iron mine) was in question; wasn't he even preparing for war as a worst-case scenario while Kalak was still alive and obsessive?

I also think (though I'm nowhere near as setting-savvy as others here) that even the most powerful templars are an order of magnitude less dangerous than their SK.

Without a looming greater threat it should be easy to have templars fighting amongst themselves, as well as with merchants and nobles and influential free persons, making for a very different story; or, the city could fall into that after surviving an attack.

Whatever path leads to the most intrigue is the one I'll probably take.
#5

Pennarin

Jul 27, 2010 1:01:24
High Templars were around level 15 to 20. IMO a lot of firepower.
#6

FlashbackJon

Jul 27, 2010 9:29:14
Still, it's like any martial law.  If the godlike tyrant that controls the military is swiftly and ingloriously removed, the soldiers, although still trained and capable, will be virtually incapable of stopping the sudden rebellion.
#7

big_goon

Jul 27, 2010 11:14:15
I don't know whether there was only one reason, Penn.

I like Ian's suggestion: "hook up with the Veiled Alliance". No longer are Templar and Veiled Alliance from seperate classes - in fact, they could be able to share some knowledge. With the fall of Kalak, the VA might have swiftly and vigurously taken action, taken charge, and taken out some of the leading Templarate (either with executions, blackmail, threats, etc). The Slaves and Sadira might have had more support than the books let on, or maybe they're pawns of the VA.

Most of the city-states have quite powerful Templars. However, they would never try and betray their sovereign-tyrannt, because the tyrant always held some power over their head. In 2nd edition, the Templarate were dependant on the tyrant for their power... now it must be something else. We read in the Oba's article that she was the one responsible for dominance over the primal spirits of the land. Without the Oba, the primal spirits would have their revenge... or the city would be defenseless. Nibenay has his marriage (which might include vows stronger than words: "Until death do us part" becomes "In Nibenay's death do us die").

I'm not sure what exactly Kalak has over the heads of the Templarate (who are not all warlocks, but also psionicists, warriors, rogues and other arcane classes). If he was just a bully, then the Templarate are probably used to being bullyed. The first bully to take charge and step up to the plate (like Tithian, the slaves, the VA) might have been able to take the reins of the Templarate easily.