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Ssurran conversion help

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#1
tyrantlobe
Dec 20, 2010 7:34:04 I didn't bring my Creature Catalog with me to work this morning, and now I'm wishing I had. I need to know what they suggest to do to convert regular Lizardfolk to Ssurrans.

Can someone please post the conversion suggestion?

Thanks very much.
#2
naxel
Dec 20, 2010 8:37:41 As you might know, there's a specific example of a lizardfolk-ssuran conversion in the back of the Creature Catalogue. It's very helpful.

It suggests not to change anything whatsoever.

The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such. You may use some of the 'monster themes' in there, too, but I guess that won't help much if the book isn't right there for you. Sooo yeah, don't change anything. Humans are humans whether they live on a coastline or the mountains, and sometimes lizardmen are just lizardmen whether they're in Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun
#3
tyrantlobe
Dec 20, 2010 8:41:19
As you might know, there's a specific example of a lizardfolk-ssuran conversion in the back of the Creature Catalogue. It's very helpful.

It suggests not to change anything whatsoever.

The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such. You may use some of the 'monster themes' in there, too, but I guess that won't help much if the book isn't right there for you. Sooo yeah, don't change anything. Humans are humans whether they live on a coastline or the mountains, and sometimes lizardmen are just lizardmen whether they're in Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun

Right, but there were a couple specific changes they said to make. One was changing the swamp walk to earth walk, which is easy enough. I can't remember if there were changes to any powers, though.
#4
naxel
Dec 20, 2010 17:53:45 That's what I'm saying: "The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such." It didn't say to change anything mechanically, so you can use them as is
#5
rollawaythestone
Dec 20, 2010 20:31:56 The lizardfolk don't need any conversion other than swampwalk to earthwalk. The only one that needed some conversion was the Marsh Mystic, which is converted for you in the Creature Catalogue. The rest of the lizardfolk rely on melee attacks or poison attacks, which aren't in need of reflavoring.
#6
DontEatRawHagis
Dec 20, 2010 21:27:31 I had a session where we had a Poison Lizardman Magus, I think, with three sand elementals. I changed him into lizard man that looked as though some form of magic defilement turned the right side of his face into sand. And that the "blood sand" he used was a poisonous biproduct of his condition.

As far as his abilities went I didn't change a thing except how I visualized them.
#7
syrric
Dec 20, 2010 22:52:44 keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same
#8
rollawaythestone
Dec 21, 2010 2:01:32
keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same

Ssurrans equal lizardfolk in 4e. It's pragmatic design. Why waste page space stating out the ssurrans when they are for all purposes the same thing as lizardfolk.
#9
syrric
Dec 21, 2010 14:05:27
keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same

Ssurrans equal lizardfolk in 4e. It's pragmatic design. Why waste page space stating out the ssurrans when they are for all purposes the same thing as lizardfolk.

Integrity
#10
xsv-violence
Dec 21, 2010 21:14:33 Integrity of what? The back story isn't really defined in this edition. Besides Lizardfolk remain as is for the Last Sea, while Ssurran are now desert dweling. Change the fluff, and that's enough.

We have enough to do with writing the adventures, why get overcomplicated.

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#1 tyrantlobe Dec 20, 2010 7:34:04	I didn't bring my Creature Catalog with me to work this morning, and now I'm wishing I had. I need to know what they suggest to do to convert regular Lizardfolk to Ssurrans. Can someone please post the conversion suggestion? Thanks very much.
#2 naxel Dec 20, 2010 8:37:41	As you might know, there's a specific example of a lizardfolk-ssuran conversion in the back of the Creature Catalogue. It's very helpful. It suggests not to change anything whatsoever. The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such. You may use some of the 'monster themes' in there, too, but I guess that won't help much if the book isn't right there for you. Sooo yeah, don't change anything. Humans are humans whether they live on a coastline or the mountains, and sometimes lizardmen are just lizardmen whether they're in Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun
#3 tyrantlobe Dec 20, 2010 8:41:19	As you might know, there's a specific example of a lizardfolk-ssuran conversion in the back of the Creature Catalogue. It's very helpful. It suggests not to change anything whatsoever. The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such. You may use some of the 'monster themes' in there, too, but I guess that won't help much if the book isn't right there for you. Sooo yeah, don't change anything. Humans are humans whether they live on a coastline or the mountains, and sometimes lizardmen are just lizardmen whether they're in Forgotten Realms or Dark Sun Right, but there were a couple specific changes they said to make. One was changing the swamp walk to earth walk, which is easy enough. I can't remember if there were changes to any powers, though.
#4 naxel Dec 20, 2010 17:53:45	That's what I'm saying: "The 'conversion' is just a matter of reflavoring powers' names and such." It didn't say to change anything mechanically, so you can use them as is
#5 rollawaythestone Dec 20, 2010 20:31:56	The lizardfolk don't need any conversion other than swampwalk to earthwalk. The only one that needed some conversion was the Marsh Mystic, which is converted for you in the Creature Catalogue. The rest of the lizardfolk rely on melee attacks or poison attacks, which aren't in need of reflavoring.
#6 DontEatRawHagis Dec 20, 2010 21:27:31	I had a session where we had a Poison Lizardman Magus, I think, with three sand elementals. I changed him into lizard man that looked as though some form of magic defilement turned the right side of his face into sand. And that the "blood sand" he used was a poisonous biproduct of his condition. As far as his abilities went I didn't change a thing except how I visualized them.
#7 syrric Dec 20, 2010 22:52:44	keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same
#8 rollawaythestone Dec 21, 2010 2:01:32	keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same Ssurrans equal lizardfolk in 4e. It's pragmatic design. Why waste page space stating out the ssurrans when they are for all purposes the same thing as lizardfolk.
#9 syrric Dec 21, 2010 14:05:27	keltis killed almost all of the lizard men so im not sure how they'd be the same Ssurrans equal lizardfolk in 4e. It's pragmatic design. Why waste page space stating out the ssurrans when they are for all purposes the same thing as lizardfolk. Integrity
#10 xsv-violence Dec 21, 2010 21:14:33	Integrity of what? The back story isn't really defined in this edition. Besides Lizardfolk remain as is for the Last Sea, while Ssurran are now desert dweling. Change the fluff, and that's enough. We have enough to do with writing the adventures, why get overcomplicated.