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#1 redking May 24, 2009 0:04:11	Is there any way to solve the caster level and manifester level problem for advanced beings? The way I see it, the advanced beings have very low manifester and caster levels because they have to divide their character levels between two different character classes. The solution given by most on this board seems to be simply to increase the character levels of the advanced beings (for example the sorcerer kings) so they are 50th level characters. This seems like an extreme way to deal with caster/manifester level problems. One potential solution that can be used or mined for ideas is the Mind Mage PrC from Dragon Magazine #313. In it there are a couple of abilities that the mind mage has that helps with caster/manifester levels. These are - Twin Wells (Su): By 5th level, the mind mage has learned enough of the similarities of psionics and magic to bend his abilities in favor of one or the other temporarily. Once per day, as a full round action that provokes an attack of opportunity, he may focus his energies toward either psionics or magic. Thereafter, he adds all his mind mage levels to either his psionic class or his arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of determining caster or manifester level, as applicable, for the next 24 hours. This enables the mind mage to make caster or manifester level checks (such as for dispel magic or spell penetration) at the increased level, and all your spells or powers (depending on your selection for the day) are treated as if cast of manifested from a higher-level caster or manifester. This ability does not change the number of spells he can cast or his power point pool. For example, the 5th-level wizard/5th-level Psion/5th-level mind mage Quellthik chooses to use twin wells to increase his Psion manifester level. At this level, his manifester level is 8th. Once twin wells is activated, Quellthik's manifester level becomes 13th (8 original manifester levels + 5 mind mage levels = 13). This effect cannot be ended prematurely. Twin Wells Same Source (Ex): When the mind mage reaches 10th level, the merger between his magical ability and his psionic power is complete. This ability replaces twin wells (see above) and functions exactly like it except as detailed here. As a full-round action that provokes an attack of opportunity, the character may add his full mind mage class level to both his magical and his psionic class levels for the purpose of determining caster or manifester level. Furthermore, invoking this ability enables him to add together the key ability modifier for his psionic powers and the ability modifier that controls his spellcasting when using any Psi-spell ability. (If both use the same modifier, simply double it.) This ability, like twin wells, can be invoked once per day, and it lasts for 24 hours.
#2 phoenix_m May 24, 2009 17:51:06	The Practiced Spellcaster feat on page 82 of the "Complete Arcane" is a fairly easy fix for this issue as well. A slight rewording would allow for a Manifester to benefit as well.
#3 cnahumck May 24, 2009 19:00:24	Practiced Manifester works too. Complete Psionic. Might be the only good thing in that whole book.
#4 brun01 May 25, 2009 13:59:31	Is there any way to solve the caster level and manifester level problem for advanced beings? You can take as much levels you can in cerebremancer or equivalent prc and choose the Practiced feats mentioned above. Also, most advanced being classes in LoA boost your CL/ML...

Twin Wells (Su): By 5th level, the mind mage has learned enough of the similarities of psionics and magic to bend his abilities in favor of one or the other temporarily. Once per day, as a full round action that provokes an attack of opportunity, he may focus his energies toward either psionics or magic. Thereafter, he adds all his mind mage levels to either his psionic class or his arcane spellcasting class for the purpose of determining caster or manifester level, as applicable, for the next 24 hours. This enables the mind mage to make caster or manifester level checks (such as for dispel magic or spell penetration) at the increased level, and all your spells or powers (depending on your selection for the day) are treated as if cast of manifested from a higher-level caster or manifester. This ability does not change the number of spells he can cast or his power point pool.

For example, the 5th-level wizard/5th-level Psion/5th-level mind mage Quellthik chooses to use twin wells to increase his Psion manifester level. At this level, his manifester level is 8th. Once twin wells is activated, Quellthik's manifester level becomes 13th (8 original manifester levels + 5 mind mage levels = 13).

This effect cannot be ended prematurely.

Twin Wells Same Source (Ex): When the mind mage reaches 10th level, the merger between his magical ability and his psionic power is complete. This ability replaces twin wells (see above) and functions exactly like it except as detailed here.

As a full-round action that provokes an attack of opportunity, the character may add his full mind mage class level to both his magical and his psionic class levels for the purpose of determining caster or manifester level. Furthermore, invoking this ability enables him to add together the key ability modifier for his psionic powers and the ability modifier that controls his spellcasting when using any Psi-spell ability. (If both use the same modifier, simply double it.) This ability, like twin wells, can be invoked once per day, and it lasts for 24 hours.