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| #1PennarinSep 25, 2010 18:43:41 | Just speed-read Hawk's The Broken Blade (dreadful, dreadful novel), and one of the characters is said to have the Sight, a psionic talent allowing for visions of importance, be they about the present or near future. How do you see the Sight fitting in Dark Sun, considering that seeing the future - or the concept of a real prophecy - seems to be purposefully absent from any edition of the setting? |
| #2rollawaythestoneSep 25, 2010 23:56:20 | It was present in Dark Sun: Shattered Lands ![]() I love the idea. Strange oracles, either in the lofty towers of Nibenay, or some lonely desert tribe, whispering portents of doom or hope. |
| #3PennarinSep 26, 2010 1:12:37 | Nibenese seers...I get a flash of the Bene Gesserit Reverend Mother from Lynch's Dune, or the defunct Centauri Emperor's seer of a wife from Babylon 5. Still, how to integrate such a new idea in Dark Sun, making it appear as if it were always present? |
| #4PennarinSep 27, 2010 12:45:17 | No ideas? |
| #5naxelSep 27, 2010 13:53:34 | You can always just do it, as the DM. Just say one of your PCs has a vision. A defiling arcanist might glimpse the future in the ecstasy of life-draining, a primal character or preserving arcanist might be given a portent by the spirits, a psionic character's mind might be interwoven with the threads of time, and even a martial character just might have a vision. No questions asked. If you want to use that approach and tie it in with the setting for NPC individuals or organizations, there's plenty of pre-constructed options. Nibenese seers might very well be like the Bene Gesserit. Perhaps templars in Draj, Raam, or Urik are even like the Bene Gesserit in that they manipulate the public behind-the-scenes with religion to carry out some long-term plans. The Order is a group of 'psionic preservers' and might very well have special 'non-PC' rituals that allow them to divine the future. Of course, any wandering prophet in the sand wastes or shaman of some nomadic tribe might have prophecies. Alternatively, you can just create an organization that you need and fit it in. Off the top of my head, what about some halfling clan living high on the Ringing Mountains that choose animal totems in their coming of age rites, and whose shamans go into a spirit trance to view past, present, and future by inhaling the fumes of z'tal oil? If you want something more mechanical the PCs can readily activate (which I wouldn't recommend too strongly) then I think a paragon- or epic-tier ritual would be the way to go. Make a decent quest like stealing it from templars or traveling to the unknown Broken Lands to find, learn, and master it, and you're good to go. In true Dark Sun fashion, activating this ritual is probably morally ambiguous since it creates an area of defiled terrain (mechanically and narratively) and drains its user of a healing surge or two EDIT: I should also add that some character options are presented with certain themes and flavors. There's some kind of prescient bards, psions have a time-oriented paragon path and Psionic Power presents a Time Master (or something) epic destiny. Many epic destinies have themes of being avatars or heralds of prophecy (Eberron's Champion of Prophecy, I think, and Heir of Siberys). Dark Sun wild talents may or may not do the trick. Just look around, you'll find something |
| #6Kye_TyradSep 27, 2010 14:11:15 | As Naxel says you can just have it exist, or you could make a claivoyance wild talent power and maybe have it triggered by a specific event. The PC may or may not know the wild talents exist, they just know that things occur to them depending on how much control you want them to have with it. Some ideas: A doom prophecy occurs at the moment they are bloodied or reach 1 hp (This may appear to them more as a sick DM joke )A vision prophecy occurs during the onset of sun sickness. |
| #7PennarinSep 27, 2010 17:05:00 | I like this, a cultural ritual that involves a trip without water in the desert, without protection against the sun, and if you survive you may be granted a vision of portents. |
| #8PennarinSep 27, 2010 20:53:36 | Sorak's lover, a Villichi priestess, had the Sight, IIRC. Sorak developed it as well. Hence how good the novel is. I definitely want seers in Dark Sun, I'm just fishing for ideas. |
| #9naxelSep 28, 2010 5:50:29 |
That's a very good idea. Gods clearly existed in the past, and most D&D pantheons include a god of prophecy sooo what happens when that god of prophecy is dead? On the other hand, many other talents and abilities have been presented that may grant foresight as I said, most especially psionic power. Perhaps, though, even this is murky and vague...that 'static' - I really like that idea. It's not brand new, but using that word gives the idea a new connotation. The Cleansing Wars idea makes even more sense and sounds great. The OP mentioned the Bene Gesserit. Look more into Dune, then. Use the spice to induce visions as the Fremen did. What about abominations on Dark Sun! Oh MAN! AWESOME! The Dragon of Tyr is actually engaging in some millennia-long gambit like Leto II?! HOLY CHRIST IS THAT COOL! I was interested in making use of Eberron's Draconic Prophecy. In that setting, the Prophecy is a long chain of, "If X, then Y" predictions and is etched out across the land, magic, sky, and skin. Many forces like dragons, immortal elven courts, dream tyrants, and daemon lords chase after the Prophecy, but those forces in Dark Sun are a bit different. The latter three all would have a unique Dark Sun twist to them but that's for a different topic. Here, though, dragons are evil sorcerers who control their city's populations in order to further their own selfish goals. So the Draconic Prophecy becomes something that the sorcerer-kings horde knowledge of. Who wants this knowledge, though? Primal shaman and druids might look to the stars for such omens, and the psionic Order might have their own interests in it. Might dragonmarks exist, though? I read on these forums one guy wanted to tie them into a sort of vague, erratic bloodline based on the powers the sorcerer-kings have spilt into the world. Hmm! Like I said, there are many possibilities if you just look around. |
| #10kedcolemanOct 05, 2010 22:37:28 | Honestly, the Dragon-as-Pariah-Saviour idea isn't too much of a stretch. I mean, Borys' main goal is to keep the prison containing Rajaat sealed. He's made a hard choice for everyone that couldn't: to slaughter thousands of slaves a year to save the millions of others that have no idea what would happen if he didn't. That kind of moral choice is something that echoes through a lot of Athas...do something bad to prevent something many times worse. |