Fighting their way through nasty, gladiatorial blood pits, torment’s disciples are tough martial artists. This new form of martial arts has never been seen before, until now, and is a discipline that combines strength with agility to overcome one’s opponents.
Torment’s Disciple is mainly taught to gladiators and fighters, although barbarians have been able to mange this discipline as well. Any race can become a torment’s disciple, and although muls, half-elves, dwarves, humans and elves are the most common races to become a torment’s disciple, half-giants and thri-kreens are also no exception and can easily devote themselves to this class. Despite their rough ways of fighting, torment’s disciples are often good as they are evil.
Torment’s Disciples are very devoted to their art and try to find ways to practice in almost every corner of their lives. Their most valuable time is their morning and evening meditations where they are the most productive and gain the most self confidence.
Hit Die: d12
Requirements:
To become a Disciple of Torment, the character must fulfill the following criteria:
Alignment: Any
Base Attack Bonus: +8
Feats: Improved unarmed strike, Improved Grapple, Stunning Fist
Class skills: Balance (Dex), Concentration (Con), Climb (Str), Bluff (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Str), Jump (Str), Sense Motive (Wis), Tumble (Dex)
Skill points at each additional level: 2 + Int modifier
It seems a little underpowered for a PrC and I've never even heard of the Unarmed Critical feat. I would suggest actually giving them a unarmed damage progression. Similiar to a Monk. I would start at d6 (like you have right now) and work up to d10 by the 5th level. Also, I think you should have some sort of Psionic prerequisite if they are going to be gaining psionic powers: Must have a power point reserve should be sufficient.
If I give the class a PP reserve isn't the d12 too much?
Does the psionic prerequisite matter if these are supernatural powers?
Not that I disagree with you, can you explain why?
And yeah I agree with the unarmed damage progression, that's a really good idea.
Have to agree with Sage- never heard of the Unarmed Critical, but making it a prereq and then giving them a crit range of 20 seems kind of redundant seeing as how it sounds like they already have one from the feat that I have never heard of. I am not saying that is does not exist, but I just cannot remember seeing said feat.
As for the Martial Arts- I think a better name for it would be Greater Unarmed Strike, and then you could give them the damage progression like Sage said, d6 at 1st level, d8 at 3rd, and d10 at 5th.
As for the +5 BAB prereq, well I think that with the powers this class has, you could get away with making it a +3 and the feats Improved Unarmed Strike and Combat Reflexes.
I would also add Bluff as a class skill too.
As fo the psionic bit- I would just get rid of mentioning it as there is nothing requiring psionics nor do they gain any manifester levels.
Last thing- the opening fluff material is okay, but I would rewrite parts of it. In the opening you say the "new art of martial arts has never been seen before" and then in the next paragraph you say that "their arts are popular in both arenas and pit-fights..." so this is a bit of a contradiction. And the term brutes is no longer used as a class name- it is barbarian (I tried t jet Jon to go with Hack'em Master but he didn't
)Power point reserves are no longer used as a game mechanic since the XPH came out- and I do not see the need of even mentioning it if there is no psionic requirements or psionic power/manifester gains in the class.
I know it sounds like I am being overly critical but i am just trying to help you out.
I do not see why they would even be able to manifest a power. Psionics should be a requirement and have them learn the powers- maybe giving it to them as per the Expanded Knowledge feat- or get rid of them and replace it with something else.
I could see this class giving +3 manifester levels and you could have this class only require the character have access to 1st or 2nd level powers instead of the BAB requirement.
Here are my two bits-
Have to agree with Sage- never heard of the Unarmed Critical, but making it a prereq and then giving them a crit range of 20 seems kind of redundant seeing as how it sounds like they already have one from the feat that I have never heard of. I am not saying that is does not exist, but I just cannot remember seeing said feat.
Yeah that's no wonder...I was basing this class on an old character of mine and I saw unarmed critical, which in fact was Improved critical - unarmed...so yeah no wonder no-one's heard of it. I'll change it.
As for the Martial Arts- I think a better name for it would be Greater Unarmed Strike, and then you could give them the damage progression like Sage said, d6 at 1st level, d8 at 3rd, and d10 at 5th.
Ok, yeah that sounds good.
As for the +5 BAB prereq, well I think that with the powers this class has, you could get away with making it a +3 and the feats Improved Unarmed Strike and Combat Reflexes.
It's supposed to be a +5 BAB prerequisite, I'll have to work on the feats prereqs.
I would also add Bluff as a class skill too.
Good
As fo the psionic bit- I would just get rid of mentioning it as there is nothing requiring psionics nor do they gain any manifester levels.
You mean that there's no psionic prerequisite and the class does not provide PP's, just so I understand you right...
Last thing- the opening fluff material is okay, but I would rewrite parts of it. In the opening you say the "new art of martial arts has never been seen before" and then in the next paragraph you say that "their arts are popular in both arenas and pit-fights..." so this is a bit of a contradiction. And the term brutes is no longer used as a class name- it is barbarian (I tried t jet Jon to go with Hack'em Master but he didn't
Will change
Power point reserves are no longer used as a game mechanic since the XPH came out- and I do not see the need of even mentioning it if there is no psionic requirements or psionic power/manifester gains in the class.
But the psionic powers are just supernatural with the class, does it need PP reserves?
I know it sounds like I am being overly critical but i am just trying to help you out.
It's alright, if no-one points out the wrongs in my actions I will never see them. So thank you Kal, I really am thankful for you.
I'd suggest lowering the HD to either a d10 or d8 and give the PrC its own manifester power progression. Similar to a Warmind or a Fist of Zuoken. If you do that, I'd remove the inflict pain and inertial armor abilities and replace them with something else. Perhaps a bonus feat which can be selected from a specified list of feats which are tied to the flavor of the PrC.
Ok I'll check that out. Thank you.
Instead of listing the Greater Unarmed each time, just list it the first time and in the description say that it increases to d8 at 3rd and d10 at 5th- it will just clean it up a bit.
Like the hard skin, but instead of giving them three features in it fo with the Hard Skin at 2nd level and Stone Skin at 4th- at Stone Skin give them the +4 nat AC and you could say that instead of being immune to unarmed strikes, that half of the damage they receive from unarmed strikes is treated as subdual damage- which would make this a rocken cless for muls with their natural DR to subdual damage.
In the class skills, I would just state that this class uses Str to determine their intimidate checks, or you could make it a class skill with a bonus to it of up to their class level (or half) if they hurt their opponent before making an Intimidate check- the would be cool IMO.
Keep it uo Master.
I like most of the changes there Master, and here are some additinal commnents-
Instead of listing the Greater Unarmed each time, just list it the first time and in the description say that it increases to d8 at 3rd and d10 at 5th- it will just clean it up a bit.
Will do
Like the hard skin, but instead of giving them three features in it fo with the Hard Skin at 2nd level and Stone Skin at 4th- at Stone Skin give them the +4 nat AC and you could say that instead of being immune to unarmed strikes, that half of the damage they receive from unarmed strikes is treated as subdual damage- which would make this a rocken cless for muls with their natural DR to subdual damage.
Ok, so I should take out the steel skin ability and make it hard skin 2nd and stone skin 4th?
In the class skills, I would just state that this class uses Str to determine their intimidate checks, or you could make it a class skill with a bonus to it of up to their class level (or half) if they hurt their opponent before making an Intimidate check- the would be cool IMO.
That's excactly what I thought to, I prefer a Str intimidate. I just put the Cha for political reasons :D
Keep it uo Master.
Thanks man
Agonizing Strike (Su): Starting at 3rd level, as a full round action, a torment's disciple may expend his focus in order deliver a painful blow against his opponents through his unarmed attacks. The torments's disciple must declare that he is using this ability before making an attack roll (a failed roll still expends his focus). If successful struck, the subject must make a Will saving throw (DC 10+class level+Wis modifier) in addition to dealing normal damage. An opponent who fails their saving throw suffers a -2 penalty on attack rolls, skill checks, and ability checks for 1 round. Agonizing strike considered a mindeffecting ability.
Deflective Aura (Su): At 4th level, a torment's disciple receives a +2 deflection bonus to his AC when psionically focused.
Ok, I need help with the fluff, can somebody help me with that?
Torment’s Disciple
Fisting their way through nasty blood pits, Torment’s disciples are tough martial artists. This new art of martial arts has never been seen before. Torment’s disciples combine discipline with strength and agility to overcome their opponents.
Torment’s discple is mainly taught to gladiators and fighters, although brutes and barbarians have been seen to mange the discipline of hand-to-hand combat. Any race can become a Torment’s disciple. Although muls, half-elves, dwarfes, humans and elves are most common to become a torment’s disciple, half-giants and thri-kreens are no exception and can easily devote themselves to this class. Despite their rough ways of fighting, torment’s disciples are often as good as evil.
Torment’s disciples are very devoted to their arts and try to find ways of practice in almost every corner of their lives. Their most valuable time is their morning and evening meditations, for they rely on nothing more than a good meditation. From there they gain their trust in their bodies and their power.
Fighting their way through nasty, gladiatorial blood pits, torment’s disciples are tough martial artists. This new form of martial arts has never been seen before, until now, and is a discipline that combines strength with agility to overcome one’s opponents.
Torment’s Disciple is mainly taught to gladiators and fighters, although barbarians have been able to mange this discipline as well. Any race can become a torment’s disciple, and although muls, half-elves, dwarves, humans and elves are the most common races to become a torment’s disciple, half-giants and thri-kreens are also no exception and can easily devote themselves to this class. Despite their rough ways of fighting, torment’s disciples are often good as they are evil.
Torment’s Disciples are very devoted to their art and try to find ways to practice in almost every corner of their lives. Their most valuable time is their morning and evening meditations where they are the most productive and gain the most self confidence.
Fighting their way through nasty, gladiatorial blood pits, torment’s disciples are tough martial artists. This new form of martial arts has never been seen before, until now, and is a discipline that combines strength with agility to overcome one’s opponents.
Torment’s Disciple is mainly taught to gladiators and fighters, although barbarians have been able to mange this discipline as well. Any race can become a torment’s disciple, and although muls, half-elves, dwarves, humans and elves are the most common races to become a torment’s disciple, half-giants and thri-kreens are also no exception and can easily devote themselves to this class. Despite their rough ways of fighting, torment’s disciples are often good as they are evil.
Torment’s Disciples are very devoted to their art and try to find ways to practice in almost every corner of their lives. Their most valuable time is their morning and evening meditations where they are the most productive and gain the most self confidence.
Thank you Nyt, that's very nice ;) has a much better flow to it than mine.
For the stone skin ability you'll need to change subdual damage to "non-lethal". No such thing as subdual damage in 3.5.
Ok will do.
Edit: Nevermind
I've got some spare pills if you need any :P
This class just went from one that noone would take to one that everyone would take. I quote:Originally Posted by http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/35/sovelior_sage/injuryAndDeath.html#healing-nonlethal-damage
Healing Nonlethal Damage: You heal nonlethal damage at the rate of 1 hit point per hour per character level.
When a spell or a magical power cures hit point damage, it also removes an equal amount of nonlethal damage.
A couple of guys with 5 levels in this class and a cleric or two will be unbeatable, since all their healing spells will be twice as effective... Not to mention that you automatically heal 1 nonlethal damage per level per hour...
Just ditch the damage converting part completely and you will have a nice PrC.
So the non-lethal damage thing is purely an overkill??
Somebody told me this:
So the non-lethal damage thing is purely an overkill??
Yeah, it's starting to look that way. Why not just give him DR instead?
So the ability should read like so:
Stone skin (Su): At 4th level a torment’s disciple has taken another step in body control, his skin is now hard as a rock; his natural armor bonus increases to +4 and also receives a DR of 2/obsidian or metal.
Somebody told me this:
So the non-lethal damage thing is purely an overkill??
Not really considering as writen it only turns damage delivered from unarmed attacks into nonlethal, not ALL attacks.
Not really considering as writen it only turns damage delivered from unarmed attacks into nonlethal, not ALL attacks.
Exactly, I'm keeping it the way it is. It is only bound to unarmed attaks anyway.
Stone skin (Su): At 4th level a torment’s disciple has taken another step in body control, his skin is now hard as rock and can absorb half his taken damage as non-lethal damage from unarmed strikes and his natural armor increases to +4
Exactly, I'm keeping it the way it is. It is only bound to unarmed attaks anyway.
Yeah, I missed the unarmed damage only part, my bad.
Fists of Torment: Once per day a Torment's disciple can make an unarmed knock-out attempt. With a successful hit his opponent must make a fort save vs. 10+1/2 lvl + str modifier or be completely knocked out. If save is successful the opponent is staggered (as per DMG) for 1d6 rounds.
Now this ability would either be alonside Ki strike or in exchange. This ability is very much like the devastating critical feat. Any thoughts?
Fists of Torment: Once per day a Torment's disciple can make an unarmed knock-out attempt. With a successful hit his opponent must make a fort save vs. 10+1/2 lvl + str modifier or be completely knocked out. If save is successful the opponent is staggered (as per DMG) for 1d6 rounds.
Now this ability would either be alonside Ki strike or in exchange. This ability is very much like the devastating critical feat. Any thoughts?
How about setting the DC like this- 10 + damage dealt + 1/2 class level. This would be better IMO.
Now turn that frown up side down :P
How about setting the DC like this- 10 + damage dealt + 1/2 class level. This would be better IMO.
Now turn that frown up side down :P
:D ;)
Thanks Kal! That does sound better. Is this ability an overkill alongside Ki strike?
:D ;)
Thanks Kal! That does sound better. Is this ability an overkill alongside Ki strike?
I would replace the Ki strike- there is noting in the PrC that would lead me to believe that this character would be able to imbue his fists with some kind od supernatural ability.
Here you can have my last one...
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Thank you very much for your help guys.
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