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| #1FearOfTheDarkOct 31, 2010 21:25:42 | I have the Campaign Guide, so yes, I know that he is "killed". The book also talks about Kalak retreating to his Zigguart, and that his body is never recovered. So what happend to it? Or is this just a plot hook for an adventure? |
| #2Lord_VentnorOct 31, 2010 21:36:10 | I have the Campaign Guide, so yes, I know that he is "killed". The book also talks about Kalak retreating to his Zigguart, and that his body is never recovered. So what happend to it? Or is this just a plot hook for an adventure? It depends, really. Kalak's ultimate fate is left up for a DM to decide, which is why it's ambiguous. Some DMs might prefer that he stay dead, to keep Tyr as a "free" city. Others might have him pop up at a later date, ready to reclaim his city. |
| #3FearOfTheDarkOct 31, 2010 21:39:36 | Ah, I thought so. Very interesting. That's one of the reasons I love the Dark Sun book so much. It gives you so many ideas. |
| #4apitch85Nov 01, 2010 8:24:27 | As posted in the other Kalak thread.![]() Source: City State of Tyr [2420] Direct Link for full size: images.community.wizards.com/community.w... The last paragraph before the appearance section is the most relevant to your question. 4th edition, both in an effort to add some intrigue and because of obvious restrictions in the amount of information they could fit in the DSCS, was pretty vague, but he's dead. You can obviously do whatever you want in your campaign. But honestly, this is one of the few instances in Athas where the good guys had a solid victory. Think hard before taking that away. |
| #5RazlikNov 01, 2010 17:58:04 | My Dark Sun campaing is mainly based on the events regarding Kalak's fall. After being seriously injuried, Kalak sought cover inside the Ziggurat. His blood and vital energy activated the Ziggurat's power thus opening a portal to the limbo where Rajaat was imprisoned. Rajaat then started a ritual to possess Kalak's body and set free of its prison. But he still needs a very unique and rare magical component to finish the ritual, the Dragon's tail. Rajaat is now secretly controlling one of Kalak's subbordinates, Murter Dean, to search for a relic called "Crow of Dust", which will be able to summon back the "Dust Kraken", the only enemy capable of facing the Dragon. - So, what do you guys think? Does it make sense? |
| #6apitch85Nov 01, 2010 18:17:10 | So you're disregarding the actions of Tithian and the gladiators? Did they stop following them once he retreated? |
| #7RazlikNov 01, 2010 22:28:01 | Not at all, I am just using what has been written in the DS Campaign Guide 4E, page 141: " It was widely reported that the strike force recovered his corpse (Kalak), but in truth, Kalak's body was never found." And also Murter Dyan's strong desire for finding Kalak and returning him to power: " No group is so eager as the True, a secret society that wishes to return Kalak or an heir to the throne. If King Thithian decides to send another team into the ziggurat, the True's agent among the nobility - Murt Dyan - intends to accompany the group so he can spy on what is discovered and advance the True's schames. " |
| #8603Nov 03, 2010 6:04:39 | So you're disregarding the actions of Tithian and the gladiators? Did they stop following them once he retreated? Given that the new DSCG isn't dependent upon the Prism Pentad novels advancing the metaplot, its entirely possible at the DM's discretion. |
| #9thraelNov 03, 2010 7:31:59 | 4th edition, both in an effort to add some intrigue and because of obvious restrictions in the amount of information they could fit in the DSCS, was pretty vague, but he's dead. I completely disagree here. The 4e DSCS is the source of reference. The metaplot hasn't happened. You can play Athas any way you like in your campaign but in canon there is only FACT: Kalak's body was not retrieved, there are sects cropping up trying to restore him to power, as there are primordials trying to be freed or resurrected. The vagueness is for the DM to fill but that doesn't make whatever YOU do fact. Wizards left it intentionally vague because the situation of a free city with chaos, factions to struggle for power, other sorcerer-kings reaching out for it or fearing the same fate and all that makes for plenty opportunity for DM and players alike. You can obviously do whatever you want in your campaign. But honestly, this is one of the few instances in Athas where the good guys had a solid victory. Think hard before taking that away. Then you obviously must not like Dregoth's fate. Or of the other Sorcerer-Kings in hiding. Or even Rajaat's prison. The suspense of something hidden waiting for its moment is way more entertaining than some ultimate fate. The situation surrounding Tyr has to be resolved one way or another (a city as rich as Tyr just can't stay without proper defense for long), and the 2e way was horrible. Even Tithian succeeding in his quest to become Sorcerer-King would have been a more acceptable solution. As would Kalak returning to restore order to a city sunken in chaos. |
| #10claytoniantombNov 04, 2010 7:43:10 | Back in the 3.x era, I had Kalak as a ghost with his legacy on his mind, seen in visions by his daughter, who was a 3e half-dragon. Fun times. |
| #11phesicNov 05, 2010 16:39:54 | There is nothing that says devout followers couldn't bring Kalek back to life... like Dregoth. My game the Mind Flayers are playing with him in an effort to create a puppet they can work through. |
| #12-tharizdun-Nov 07, 2010 17:20:43 | I agree in part with all the posts thus far, that you can do as you please in your own campaign, as well as not altering the story too much by undermining the fall of Kalak at the hands of the heroes, but I fail to see why anyone would want to bring Kalak back in the first place when leaving him dead and having others try to fill the power vacuume is so much more fun and provides far more adventure seed possibilities. Personally, about the only thing of Kalak I'd like to see are his 4e specs for when he was still alive so I could run a pre-fall campaign and topple him myself. lol |
| #13603Nov 16, 2010 20:05:20 | I agree in part with all the posts thus far, that you can do as you please in your own campaign, as well as not altering the story too much by undermining the fall of Kalak at the hands of the heroes, but I fail to see why anyone would want to bring Kalak back in the first place when leaving him dead and having others try to fill the power vacuume is so much more fun and provides far more adventure seed possibilities. In 2e, it was entirely possible to steve the Prism Pentad, and set your campaign in a Tyr where Kalak was still alive and building his ziggurat. It was also possible to take the "bad ending" version, where the heroes failed, most of Tyr was skeletonized or whatever, and Kalak emerged as an ascendent dragon from the ashes of his city. Aaand then TSR did the re-release, which pretty much canonized the whole bloody trainwreck. Personally, about the only thing of Kalak I'd like to see are his 4e specs for when he was still alive so I could run a pre-fall campaign and topple him myself. lol You and me both, but I think the metaplot was frozen at its most successful point. A seasoned DM could probably re-create him given the right background fluff. |
| #14DontEatRawHagisNov 16, 2010 23:45:39 | DSCS mentions something about a group trying to figure out what happened to Kalak and how to bring him back. I suspect that Kalak is dead but some worshipers might have stolen his body to try and find a way to bring him back whole. |
| #15PennarinNov 17, 2010 8:42:06 | The group is The True, further fleshed out in one of the DDI articles. |
| #16RazlikNov 17, 2010 18:23:20 | The group is The True, further fleshed out in one of the DDI articles. Which article? I would really love one! |
| #17603Nov 18, 2010 20:10:03 | DSCS mentions something about a group trying to figure out what happened to Kalak and how to bring him back. Can't be that hard if they can find someone with the ressurrection ritual. |
| #18PennarinNov 18, 2010 20:49:28 | Mmm, can't find the article. Meaning its one of the paper "free" adventures (not the main published one) that further describes The True. I think I initially mixed up The True with the Broken Builders (DDI article). |
| #19DontEatRawHagisNov 18, 2010 23:15:58 |
Always thought resurrection was supposed to be difficult in Dark Sun, aside from players of course. Either way if I ever have my players run across resurrection its probably going to be the cause of some massive defiling. |