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#1 positronica Sep 28, 2010 12:09:15	I'd like to pick up some inexpensive dinosaur toys to use as crodlu mounts in an upcoming campaign.  What real world dinosaur does everyone think is closest in apearance to a crodlu?  From the little bit of searching I've done so far, it looks like the featherless version of the oviraptor seem to be the best match.  Unfortunately I haven't been able to find a lot of cheap oviraptor toys for sale.  The velociraptor would make an ok match, too, but I'd prefer to find something with more of a beaked/toothless mouth.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?
#2 dustmanexe Sep 28, 2010 12:11:33	Struthiomimus and dromiceiomimus are pretty close.
#3 Alphastream Sep 28, 2010 12:56:40	If you find some, please post! Many of us are always searching for good DS minis!
#4 LordArchaon Sep 28, 2010 14:13:22	Well, real world in the sense of really existed... Actually no dinosaur would even come close due to feathers! All the dinosaurs of that type had feathers. Even many that haven't been found with feathers are now considered to have been feathered because an ancestor had them (and it is good reasonment even if it doesn't sound like it...). So I wouldn't really know. The only ones that were considered to be featherless, bipedal and beaked were the psittacosaurs, but they're not considered runners, and you won't find good plastic toys I guess. Plus, they are now being portrayed with strange feather-like... things, either in the tail only or in the whole body, look: - Old look: blog.webosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/20... - New look: www.planetdinosaur.com/dinosaur_list/ima... - Newest look: liberal-debutante.com/wp-content/uploads... I would really go with oviraptors. Maybe plastic toys are not that common, but I'm positive that any more common toy will not resemble a Crodlu. If you want something that will fit the body but not quite the beak, then all the gallimimus, struthiomimus, dromiceiomimums are ok, as DustManEXE said. Maybe toys of those are more common.
#5 Chiba_Monkey Sep 28, 2010 14:51:40	To add what's already been said, Ornitholestes.
#6 LordArchaon Sep 28, 2010 20:38:38	To add what's already been said, Ornitholestes. No beak!
#7 Alex_ Sep 29, 2010 9:28:59	Well, real world in the sense of really existed... Actually no dinosaur would even come close due to feathers! All the dinosaurs of that type had feathers. Even many that haven't been found with feathers are now considered to have been feathered because an ancestor had them (and it is good reasonment even if it doesn't sound like it...). So I wouldn't really know. The only ones that were considered to be featherless, bipedal and beaked were the psittacosaurs, but they're not considered runners, and you won't find good plastic toys I guess. Plus, they are now being portrayed with strange feather-like... things, either in the tail only or in the whole body, look: - Old look: blog.webosaurs.com/wp-content/uploads/20... - New look: www.planetdinosaur.com/dinosaur_list/ima... - Newest look: liberal-debutante.com/wp-content/uploads...   For a couple of reasons, I doubt Psitticosaurus had feathers.   1) Psitticiosaurus and the theropods and other animals with feathers actually existed around the same period.  However, their descendents split off many many millions of years before.  Psitticosaurus is more related to the late tricerotops  or even a diplodocus than it is to an oviraptor or any other theropod.   2) Other animals that Psitticosaurus has closer ties with have shown similar growths along their spines- Diplodocus and other "long necked" sauropods, Maiasaurus and other "duck billed dinosaurs", etc.  These are more akin to the frills along the back of a lizard than they are to feathers.   I'd liken the third picture more to artistic liscence than anything based on actual fossil evidence. ......................................................................................................................................................   That said, Struthiomimus, Gallimimus, and other "ostrich dinosaurs" did have toothless jaws, are similar in size, and are commonly considered amongst the speediest dinosaurs.  Pretty obvious that the Crodlu was based on them.
#8 Pashalik_Mons Sep 29, 2010 17:02:57	And regardless of whether they did or did not have feathers, older toys of such creatures will be featherless, like the crodlu.