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#1 jakk9999 Oct 12, 2010 15:30:46	Hey. I was wondering how come the Dark Sun Campaign book does not come with a complete map? Sure it has a chunk of it but I would like the whole world, even if I need to buy a few maps and put the whole thing together.
#2 phoffman Oct 12, 2010 15:38:31	You should feel free to expand the map as you need to.   Most campaigns aren't tributes to Phileas Fogg  and don't require more than a few hundred miles across.  In earths history, ancient maps that were commonly available during the middle ages didn't show more than that.  Its reasonable that the map included with Dark Sun is the "known world" that adventurer's are likely to be aware of.
#3 jakk9999 Oct 12, 2010 15:52:14	Awww but I wanna tolkin it all over :P Plus I just think wizards just owes it to us
#4 sir_sparhawk Oct 12, 2010 16:02:58	Dark Sun never had a world map, and I'm very happy that we still don't have one.  The rest of the world is dark, barren and void of civilization.  The Tyr Region is the light.  However that leaves many sites of mystery that you can perhaps have your players explore.
#5 fromost_the_grimm_02 Oct 12, 2010 16:05:23	What you need, Sir, is to get your hands on a copy of the old 2E Dark Sun boxed setting that contained a large, foldable map of Athas printed on a beige cotton fabric. Yes, fabric.
#6 ritorix Oct 12, 2010 16:10:26	There have been fan maps created to fill in the gaps.  Someone made an awesome globe also, I used it and the campaign guide maps for a little 'google athas' zoom-in map below.
#7 naxel Oct 12, 2010 17:18:07	Check out this thread. I'm unsure of how up-to-date it is. 4e expanded the scale of the map, which was a good idea in my opinion, but the OP of that thread was going off of 2e. community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
#8 aeskalis Oct 22, 2010 17:15:38	What you need, Sir, is to get your hands on a copy of the old 2E Dark Sun boxed setting that contained a large, foldable map of Athas printed on a beige cotton fabric. Yes, fabric. I have one. It's ok to be jealous. Check out the Athasian cartographers guild. ds.daegmorgan.net/
#9 kalfalnal Oct 23, 2010 21:49:33	Awww but I wanna tolkin it all over :P Plus I just think wizards just owes it to us Tolkein's map didn't shoe the entire world, just a relatively small part of one continent.
#10 Mechalibur Oct 24, 2010 13:03:26	I don't think the problem is wanting the entire world mapped out, but at least knowing where the 7 major cities are in relationship to eachother. All I know for sure is that Gulg and Nibeny both border the Crescent forest, and that Urik is west of Raam. Yeah, sure, there's nothing stopping us from filling out the details ourselves, but frankly I believe that's their job, not the DM's.
#11 Feetz Oct 25, 2010 1:03:48	I don't think the problem is wanting the entire world mapped out, but at least knowing where the 7 major cities are in relationship to eachother. All I know for sure is that Gulg and Nibeny both border the Crescent forest, and that Urik is west of Raam. Yeah, sure, there's nothing stopping us from filling out the details ourselves, but frankly I believe that's their job, not the DM's. The map of the Tyr region that came with the DSCG shows the location of each city.
#12 Pennarin Oct 25, 2010 1:08:02	Another case of someone stealing from the book the included, detachable map prior to the book's sell.
#13 nightchill Oct 25, 2010 8:25:52	Real shame if that's what's happened. DDI subscribers can get an annotated map from Dragon 391 at: www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/d...
#14 kalfalnal Oct 25, 2010 13:37:25	Yeah, sure, there's nothing stopping us from filling out the details ourselves, but frankly I believe that's their job, not the DM's. Blasphemy!
#15 naxel Oct 27, 2010 16:10:27	Yeah, sure, there's nothing stopping us from filling out the details ourselves, but frankly I believe that's their job, not the DM's. I think the total opposite: the details are our job, broad strokes are Wizards'. That's why 4e campaign setting design philosophy is great, in my eyes. It gives you a world so you don't have to do all the head-aching work (you have maps, some NPCs, some history) but if there are certain things you like to have in a campaign (certain wars in history or whatever) then there's room in the initial vagueness. It allows you to still tell the type of story you want to tell without having to shoe-horn it into whatever Wizards thought up
#16 khornetto Oct 28, 2010 6:58:51	Anyway, I would like a map to print on a A4 (or A3)  to be used on the table (the huge map would tear in no time in the hands of my players)... can you tell me where to download it?
#17 modern_iconoclast Oct 28, 2010 7:24:07	The best you can find right now is a scanned image on Google image. I've tried resizing it to Letter format but it's not good, we can't see anything really. I ended up zooming a bt on the region where our game takes place (Great Alluvial Sand Wastes) so that region fits on Letter-sized paper. The map from DDi is nice and all but if you don't care for distances in big text bubbles, you don't have a lot of options right now. I hope for a Fearun-type HD map.
#18 apitch85 Oct 28, 2010 7:54:04	The map from DDi is nice and all but if you don't care for distances in big text bubbles, you don't have a lot of options right now. You can turn those off by manipulating the layers of the pdf, iirc.
#19 modern_iconoclast Oct 28, 2010 9:07:11	The map from DDi is nice and all but if you don't care for distances in big text bubbles, you don't have a lot of options right now. You can turn those off by manipulating the layers of the pdf, iirc. Will have to try that, thanks for the heads up.