ok here my situation:
During the Sokol keep expedition, I play a sorcerer (with 8 strenght) the brawl start, so I stay back being unable to physically fight and ready an action to cast magic missile on anyone coming near me looking menacing, and I tell the DM that I pull back my hood to show my red dragon scale and that I keep back so the brawler understand that I am not fighitng, but will defend myself if needed.
The DM decide to challenge me and send me 3 brawler, so I cast 1 magic missile on each of them, and kill one, i ask the paladin to lay on hand him, but since it's a useless NPC he got no saving throw and as soon that he reach 0 HP he his dead so I stealthly draw some of his blood with my dagger and give my dagger to one of the unscousious brawler. Somehow the black fist still now that I "murdered" the "innocent" brawler. Ok so I manage to escape the black fist (between invisibility and misty step, the guard of a small town like Phlan have no chance, specially when other NPC member of the dragon cult manage to escape without problem as well.
Now the Paladin in my group want to send me back to the balck fist and help them contain me so I can receive my "proper" punishment; death. Would that be consider PvP from the Paladin part? how can I defend myself from this lawful stupid Paladin who is too stuborn to understand that I simply defended myself and I even try to help the guy (when I ask HIM to cast lay on hand to save him and that me helping the town of Phlan (that character did all the DDEX) kinda of repaid my dept.
If the paladin try anything to arrest me, can I defend myself, can I fight back, he is trying to kill me, so can I kill him as well? would be fairly easy to kill him being lawful stupid like his is, stalk him when he's alone from 100 feet away (I have decent stealth and he got no perception and even less stelaht capabilities) I use minor illusion to attract him in a back alley, where I could send him a barrage of magic missile (quicken firebolt), which will easily bring him to 0 HP (I am level 4 he is level 2), then I burn his corpse with firebolt, the smell of burning flesh will attract the rat and other vermin who will eat the corpse and scatter the remains, and I really doubt there is a NPC around able to cast True ressurection (since if the rats will eat the best part first, liver, heart, brain, so regular ressurection won't work) Even if some passant pass by if I cast my sepll from a hidden position on the top of an house for example, and I'm cautious to not cast when someone come to investigate, it shoul dbe a fairly easy kill. Then before leaving I break the mouth so even speak with death won't work.
I'm guessing the Black Fist figured out you murdered the dockworker based on the eight witnesses who weren't involved in the brawl who all were able to confirm that none of the dockworkers or the Black Fist mercenaries pulled weapons during the fight, and that the dead guy was one who went to brawl with you. All of whom also saw you cast a spell at the dockworkers.
This is actually covered in the adventure, though --
I'm not arguing the black guard suspecting me, and as the module say, I got out of it and now I simply have Black guard ennemity and I'm fine with it (never liked the black guard anyway since they said : we cannot help that woman because it's out or our jurisdiction and gave to the first person they saw the "permission" to investigate
My problem is that other player who try to get me killed, he is the disruptive player, not me, when Aleyd come to see us to give us a mission he's always trying to convince her to bring me back to justice, when we interact with black guard he try to convince them to capture me, and during combat he make sure to be in my way so I cannot cast burning hand without hurting him, when I warn the team that I'll cast burning hand on the 4 goblin in front of me so they can go take care of the goblin attacking the cleric, he come put himself in the middle of the goblin in front of me "pretending" to protect me so if I cast burning hand I'll be force to hit him, or I can use magic missile and kill 1 goblin and have the 3 other attacking me, being a sorcerer it could very well kill me. All the other player understood that even if is it was not the best option I could have taken (with hindsight I could have simply put the entire tavern to sleep) I am still a defender of Phlan helping the town defeat the constant dragon cultist attack and I even tried to help that dowckworker, was just too late) and without me the team would have fail many mission (specially the one with the specter resistant to all the damage except my spell since no one have a magical weapon).
That plan I came with it without even thinking about it, simply as I was writting it down, so there is not much "elaborate" it's more made on the spot.
Can you and the Paladin's player arrange to sit at different tables ?
If he comes over and regales your DM with a tale, everybody - including two tables worth of witnesses - knows who owns the problem.
Related issue... In past incarnations, it was not allowed for a PC to harm another PC. But I dont' see that in the current rules.
Is there anything stopping PVP in AL?
Coredump00 wrote:
You defended yourself, eh?
Don't suppose your name is George?
Pauper wrote:
Seems a bit nasty to bring Bolts of Force (magic missile) to a bar room brawl. In effect its no different to a Fighter drawing a sword and cutting down a bar patron.
Pauper wrote:
Sorxores wrote:
bgibbons wrote:
bgibbons wrote:
I would like to point out that the actual disruptive player is the Paladin player in this instance, not the OP.
In AL, I play a Lawful Evil character whom is also a Cleric of Bane (Bane is LE). While my character is adherently Evil, he is also someone who follows and respects the law. If he catches a thief stealing from a vendor, he would more than likely cut off one the thief's hand and heal his stump as punishment. In this case, he dispensed justice against someone who broke the law. A Paladin of a LG deity may capture the thief and turn him into the Black Fist to stand trial or to return to the vendor and apologize and repent. The thief may spend time in jail and face a judge, or the Black Fist might just hang him from the arch of Stojanow Gate. This does not happen in AL specifically, but is just an example of the difference of LE and LG.
In another example in DDEX 1-1 (Zhentarim), our party captured an enemy NPC after knocking him out in combat in order to interrogate him. We forced him to escort us to the next area to help us avoid traps and he did so while also surrending and swearing loyalty to a PC. I have my LE Cleric and another player had a LG Paladin (who the NPC swore to), both of whom respected on another in terms of enforcing the law. However, two other players playing a Chaotic Good characters believed that they were in the right to kill the NPC (who openly aligned with the PCs) because it was a goblin and originally worked for the bad guys. And would do so behind the Good Cop and Bad Cop. I had to step out of character and explain to the players that what they was doing was an openly evil act of assassination making them Chaotic Evil and they were doing it in front of a Knight of Torm (LG Paladin of Vengence) and Judge Dredd (LE Cleric of Bane), both of whom were thinking on the same page in terms of what is Lawful. i said they could do it, but they should consider the consequences of their action before doing so as they would alienate two players from the table and we had yet to face the BBEG.
The OP should take the discussion out of his characters actions from this point on and either talk to the player, ask the DM to talk to the player, or not sit at the same table with the player. I would like to add-on that your character would not know that your faction would spring you from prison, but your DM could adjudicate that you avoided arrest but your faction had to use bribery to call off the Black Fist. This would result in you losing downtime and lifestyle cost since you had to do activities for your faction for free, or that you gain emnity of the Black Fist and gain that disadvantage on all Charisma-checks when dealing with Black Fist people.
But, seriously, you need to have a discussion with both a knowledgable DM and the player at the same time to settle this.
EDIT: Upon further reading of your previous posts, your DM did the right thing in how he ruled what happened. Now, you just need to deal with the other player.
I remember that bar room brawl in the Sokol Keep mod! My Sorcerer threw out Dancing Lights in the shape of a medium-sized figure and did a Performance check to make it look like a ghost had appeared. They had been talking about some lighthouse being haunted, so I decided to play up on their superstitions. Well, I rolled a nat 20, so the DM said that I cleared the place out, except for the two mercenaries who were being harrassed. They were apparently not superstitious enough to be fooled by my cantrip. 
I'm not sure why the DM didn't just sort the problem by allowing the paladin to heal the NPC. p. 198 of the PHB (Monsters and Death) makes it clear that NPCs do not always die at 0 hit points.
Hibiki54 wrote:
I agree with your point about the DM, bgibbons.
but my personal bias is that I'd much rather have a "I'm a lawful good paladin, and when I see someone commit murder and run away, and the DM not do anything about it, I'm going to keep poking the issue until this immersion-breaking situation is resolved" kind of player over a "I use minor illusion to attract him in a back alley... then I burn his corpse with firebolt... attract the rat and other vermin who will eat the corpse and scatter the remains... before leaving I break the mouth so even speak with death won't work..." one.
Okay, so here's what you do.
1. You print out the part of the AL rules about not undermining other players.
2. You call the DM and the other player aside.
3. You point out the rule and say "I think we haven't been doing this well, so how about we just put that behind us?" to the paladin's player.
4. If you and the paladin can't resolve it, ask the DM to resolve it and abide by whatever the DM tells you.
5. It's possible the paladin might be playing from a sense of fun rather than trying to get you killed, and if he realizes it's not fun for you, he may stop.