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#1 ygorll Oct 16, 2013 6:32:46	If you want them to keep printing 4th ED stuff please post up here.   I like the 4E system ( i know not everyone does) but if we can get enough people saying they still want it maybe they will keep printing it.   It is impossible to find a store that has an Adventurers Vault (and others)  in stock.   I know I can go Ebay or Amazon, but I started playing in a game shop and I like to support gaming shops.        TYVM
#2 Faytte Oct 16, 2013 7:29:23	I really dislike D&D Next. I have no intentions of buying it at all. I started D&D in 2nd ed, DM'ed throughout 3rd and 3.5 and I fell in love with 4e as a system. That said, WOTC quality of products went straight down as time went on with 4e. It was obvious they cared about the product series less and less. Books remained at a premium cost but got thiner and thiner and in some cases, were just lazy (4e book of vile darkness is a 30 dollar PAPPERBACK in a cardfolder folder!).    That said I cant forsee them continuing their 4e product line. They have done so little with it for months (I.e nothing) that they have killed their own customer base. There is nothing new for 4e in D&D insider for months now. Whats the reasont to subscribe other than the character builder? Is it truely worth about 100 bucks a year just for that one feature?    I wish they would not kill 4e, but at this point 4e development is more or less dead. What I would love is for them to make 4e an open gaming license so companies with actual interest can pick up the reigns.
#3 The_Jester Oct 17, 2013 7:21:49	I don't believe books got smaller. Most were always the standard 160-pages. Which was pretty thin, but what they were sized at the start of the edition.  (The Book of Vile Darkness was the exception, but I think they had planned that as a boxed set before deciding a box was too expensive.)   If Amazon still has a book available that means their distributor still has some. And since there's really only one distributor, that means your game store could order one if they wanted. But every book they order and put on shelves is a book they bought and spent money on. And they're only going to order products they think will sell. They're not going to spend their profits ordering books just to display them on shelves.    Printing also isn't cheap. A new print run requires at least 10,000 copies. Potentially more to make money. If a product isn't going to move 10,000 copies then WotC is just wasting money.
#4 ygorll Oct 17, 2013 8:34:12	They are only wasting money if no one buys them, heck they keep reprinting older books and no one at my shop wants them, it's like reprinting Wayne gretzky rookie cards and expecting people will snap them up. Originals are collectible because they are originals! They can keep making DND NExt but why not support 4e also!   C'mon people , post up if you want them to keep printing them, apparently we need 10,000 people to say yes.
#5 geoharpst Oct 29, 2013 18:02:03	At minimum they should keep printing the core rule books (like the essentials and PHBs).  That was the problem with all the older editions, you couldn't get the books anymore and so to get new players you had to go to the latest edition so they could buy the books.  With technology what it is, make it so you can buy the PDF, at least.
#6 rampant Nov 06, 2013 1:28:45	I'd settle for a compilation of whatever finished/mostly finished material they have lying aorund form all the books that got bumped for essentials.    But yes, keeping the 4e core books in circulation would be amazing.
#7 samstockdale Nov 07, 2013 11:38:46	I recently introduced my group to 4E after playing Pathfinder and to our surprise, we're all preferring 4E so I for one would rather not see it disappear completely. Two of us have played through all editions. Two of us are younglings who enjoy D&D but only play what we (the older two) subject them to. And one of us is just content to play. I really resisted 4E when it first came out. I liked 3.5... hence the adoption of Pathfinder... and although I bought a bunch of 4E stuff (and later stuff from the Essentials line), I've since eBayed them. Now, I'm having trouble getting... for example... the Essentials Starter Set for what I originally paid for it. At eBay (UK) and Amazon (UK), the cost of the Essentials Starter Set is ludicrously expensive... and I'd rather not have to import it from the States or rely totally on pdfs. I guess I'm old-fashioned but I like to have the physical book. It's just like me to start playing a game that is about to be superceded... sigh!
#8 Mr.Durriken Nov 08, 2013 9:19:40	Notice today that you can get the Rules Compendium, MM2 and MM3 in pdf now at www.dndclassics.com.  Don't know how long that will last.  When it first went up the Adventurer's Vault (maybe both) was available, but disappeared shortly after. With these new addition though, I hav hope that much of the 4e content will be released on PDF.   TjD
#9 DND-Lifestyle Nov 15, 2013 1:23:48	Of course! I hope they keep printing 4E stuff, and I also hope they keep available CB and AV for 4E users.  I spend my money on DDI just for that reason.
#10 toryn Nov 15, 2013 6:38:06	geoharpst wrote:
#11 The_Jester Nov 15, 2013 10:57:03	geoharpst wrote:
#12 Be3Al2 Nov 16, 2013 10:57:41	It would be nice to have the DDI tools up and running together with the option of getting pdf or printed (through print-on-demand) versions of 4e from dndclassics.com
#13 Lothlos Nov 18, 2013 8:02:50	Personally that is what I really like about the new adventures Murder in Baldur's Gate and the Legacy of the Silver Shard, I can run them in any edition I want to even 2nd edition with just a little work on my part.  I hope they keep this up.   I believe that the rules for all the editions should be accessable in pdf format given the current technology and costs.  Search enabled pdf's allow players and DMs alike to find information faster.  You can store all your rule books on a Kindle Fire and considerably lighten the load you are carrying.  What would be cool is if there was a way local gaming stores could sell pdf''s versions of the rule books from their webpages so we could support our local store & get the rule books we want or need.     I too believe that supporting your local gaming store is important.  If you cannot find the 4th edition rule books there that you want you could buy the new adventure modules that are edition neutral and source books, dice, minatures, and other accessories there.
#14 Avarian_of_Sertrous Nov 24, 2013 14:22:53	I'm another D&D fan from way back (Basic, Advanced, 3.0, 3.5 & 4.0) who fell in love with 4th Edition.  I agree with supporting local game stores but I recently had to go to Amazon when they didn't carry some products I was looking for.    A more fundemental question than getting WotC to keep printing 4E products is whether they will keep running the DDI tools web site.  It seems like easy income to me but considering how letting 3.5 live resulted in pathfinder, they may go for the coup de gras.  My observation on this forum, however, is that 5th Edition is trying to appeal to a group that has strong opinions about the rules and isn't afraid to not buy new versions of them.
#15 thatjimguy Jan 26, 2014 1:56:25	I see no reason why they cant sell both Next AND 4e. They are different styles, and both have merit. It really comes down to the people you play with. Why try to force everyone into one RPG style? Just make both available. No matter what you do, if you only pick one style, there are going to be people yearning for the other and there will be a company to cover it. Might as well do it yourself.
#16 OCAMPO Feb 10, 2014 1:32:21	I support this post. WotC tries to cover the fact that there's a lot of people who still love and play 4e and WILL NOT make the change to 5e.
#17 Kazadvorn Feb 11, 2014 9:47:15	Another vote to keep 4e in print.   As others have said, it's all available on E-Bay and Amazon, but I prefer to support the local store where I play.   And again, as I and others keep pointing out... 4e is sufficiently different from any other RPG system available that there's no reason not to continue at least a low level of support.   What type?   Well assuming that Dungeon and Dragon e-zines come back, I could see perhaps 10 to 25 percent of their content being devoted to 'retro' systems - ADnD, 3.5, 4e, even 2nd Ed.   We liked the multi-platform support featured in Baldur's Gate and Crystal Shard, so that type of thing could contine with future releases of 'canned adventures'.   I just don't see any hope that Next is going to be the platform that re-unites the RPG world. 3.5 is alive and well... but now it's called Pathfinder and Paizo makes the bucks. The same will happen to 4e... Somebody is going to support the fanbase - why not WotC?   I can see three versions of D&D being supported by WotC. Clean up 3.5 and try to take back the 'ultimate d20 D&D' crown. Continue to support 4e - for those of us who like the tactical skirmish minatures aspect of the game. Let Next be the 'Retro' platform for us old timers, who want a more free-form, narrative, theater of the mind, style of game.   Ford does Trucks, Sports Cars and SUV's... not everyone wants or needs the same vehicle... whether that's a mode of transportation or an RPG.
#18 wu.hsin88 Feb 16, 2014 5:46:13	I would have loyally bought any 4th edition books, and kept subscribing to D&D Insider, for the rest of my life. Even after they announced they were working on a new iteration, I signed up for the playtests, and followed the 5th editions development for a while. I didn't like what I saw as much as 4th, but it reminded me of those old Baldur's Gate games for the PC, so it still had a decent enough Dungeons & Dragons flavor. I would have spent money on it probably.... BUT THEN.... Neverwinter Online came out. It was the worst experience in online gaming I have ever had, and broke all of the promises made in advertising. The combat system pigeon-holed everyone into cookie cutter builds so you never even got to choose your own spells or exploits to make you different from every other member of your class at your level. When I asked on the forums why we were forced to play a certain build instead of getting to create our own a community moderator responded saying it was because the game was based on 4th edition. Of course, you all know that's bologna, and that 4e had a very in-depth character creation system with tons of exploits/spells to choose from. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, here's a link to a more in-depth thread regarding my complaints:   http://community.wizards.com/forum/third-party-and-officially-licensed-products/threads/3945281   I will be boycotting the D&D brand until Wizards does something about Neverwinter Online, and formally apologizes for letting Perfect World soil the reputation of Dungeons & Dragons. I used to tell people with pride that I was a Dungeon Master. Now I'd be ashamed if someone saw the dozens of D&D books sitting on my shelf. With the new iteration, and cash-grab lockbox MMO, I'm convinced that the Dungeons and Dragons brand has fallen into the pockets of businessmen looking to make a quick buck, rather than D&D players like us who simply have a love and passion for the game. The decision to make a new iteration was a poor one in my opinion, it really bummed me out. Neverwinter Online though.. That made Wizards lose me as a customer. I don't even buy Magic the Gathering cards anymore.
(Reply to #18) AaronOfBarbaria	wu.hsin88 wrote:
#20 ludwig5 Feb 17, 2014 17:39:15	4e has my vote
#21 wu.hsin88 Feb 18, 2014 11:54:20	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#22 TheBozz Feb 26, 2014 6:47:35	I am currently enjoying 4e with no plans of changing because i like the product and have many books.  I don't feel like investing in a new system.  I was really liking that they were releasing edition neutral adventures.  Unfortunately they decided to quit doing that was well.  Please continue the edition neutral adventures.
#23 Tsulia Mar 17, 2014 0:12:45	I honestly don't see why they need to stop the 'older' editions; especially if the older one turns out to be more favoured than the newer (World of Darkness, key example) the V20th of that is Dark Ages meets modern settings - so the 2nd edition got shafted effectively. D&D can be pretty much the same way; even if they have to "remake" the core rulebooks of E1-E2-E3 (and Pathfinder, oh wait... nvm) with the PH1/2/3 etc and make it x4/5 the original size... they'd sell for decades to come, as everyone has a ruleset they want or like better.
#24 Torg_Smith Mar 17, 2014 5:12:53	I think they plan on having all the past editions on DriveThruRPG. The actual problem with printing them is that stores do not want to tie up the limited shelve space with stuff that might not sell. Printing of the books is quite expensive as well. The PDFs only have a cost when they are downloaded as the storage of a hundred megabyte is not much. Most PFDs are much smaller in size.
#25 Kazadvorn Mar 18, 2014 12:21:56	Update:   I bought the Essentials Dungeon Master's Kit last year at the local shop (The Portal - Lehigh Valley, PA) for $40. Just was browsing around E-Bay/Amazon for 4e stuff. The going price for 4e DMK is now $150, even more for a Mint unpunched kit.   That's a pretty fine ROI.
#26 Torg_Smith Mar 18, 2014 18:57:42	Kazadvorn wrote:
#27 Plaguescarred1 Mar 19, 2014 2:22:10	FYI In recent News From the GAMA Trade Show, WoTC announced that 4E will remain in print until interest goes away.   D&D Presentation: No edition wars. They will still print 4e until interest goes away. Do whatever rules, enjoy this story
#28 Torg_Smith Mar 19, 2014 5:00:40	Plaguescarred wrote:
#29 JodyJohnson Mar 19, 2014 6:33:35	Amazon shows it's getting stock on several key 4e items this weekend.
(Reply to #29) Kazadvorn	JodyJohnson wrote:
#31 JodyJohnson Mar 19, 2014 13:58:08	It looks like a printing of PHB 1, DMG 1, MM 1, Heroes of the Fallen Lands, Heroes of the Forgotten Kingdoms, and Dungeon Tiles: the Dungeon arrived/are arriving at Amazon. For reprints I don't expect Amazon gets them in large numbers at a time, so it's likely they will go in and out of stock at Amazon and the Distributors as they order more. Books that are available as PDFs on DnDClassics.com probably won't be reprinted. This includes MM2, MM3, RC, and Adventurer's Vault. Both DDI and PDFs keep this product available.
#32 jokerrr88 Mar 27, 2014 23:32:34	Agreed I LOVE 4E and have no intrest in Next.