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#1 quaestor Feb 16, 2009 16:44:58	Today's Racial Paragon Paths preview states the following: Exemplars of the half-elf race do not pursue a paragon path; instead, they take the Versatile Master feat in Chapter 3.
#2 brainstem Feb 16, 2009 16:47:08	I kind of wonder, though, why the Half-Orcs don't get a similar feat. They still have the versatility of Humans in their blood, after all. On another note, does this mean that Half-Elves cannot take a Human or an Elven Paragon Path?
#3 quaestor Feb 16, 2009 17:03:00	I kind of wonder, though, why the Half-Orcs don't get a similar feat. They still have the versatility of Humans in their blood, after all. Traditionally, Half-Elves have been partially about their versatility. In 2e, Half-Elves had by far the best multiclassing options in the game. In 3e, Half-Elves had flexibility in their favored class. Half-Orcs, on the other hand, were about being the Orc that you were allowed to play, and have never had any abilities that suggested versatility. My guess is that their Paragon Path will reflect the idea of Half-Orcs striking a balance between civilized and barbaric. On another note, does this mean that Half-Elves cannot take a Human or an Elven Paragon Path? I would assume that they cannot. The Dual Heritage feature states that Half-Elves can quality for feats that require either Human or Elf as a prerequisite; it says nothing about Paragon Paths or Epic Destinies.
#4 undrave Feb 16, 2009 17:08:10	Maybe it'll turn their Diletante into a full blown at-will O.O Now that would be a Paragon level feat oO Or get a second one. Or maybe change it on an encounter or daily basis based on what At-Wills your party mates use! You can 'copy a move' on the fly! Whatever it is it'll probably boost it in some way.
#5 wizardmon Feb 16, 2009 21:03:46	Maybe it'll turn their Diletante into a full blown at-will O.O Now that would be a Paragon level feat oO Or get a second one. Or maybe change it on an encounter or daily basis based on what At-Wills your party mates use! You can 'copy a move' on the fly! Whatever it is it'll probably boost it in some way. I could dig any/all of that!
#6 big_pete Feb 17, 2009 5:58:33	This feat sounds interesting and hopefully will make Half Elves alot more appealing to play. There are many ways this feat could work. The feat is likely be at paragon level. Perhaps it could allow an additional paragon multiclassing option into the class of your diletante power without requiring Novice/Acolyte/Adept power swap feats or something along those general lines? That would add some interesting options and have very good synergies with bards
#7 Steely_Dan Feb 17, 2009 6:01:51	Yeah, I'm thinking of how many bases you can cover with a Half-Elf Bard with the feat.
#8 big_pete Feb 17, 2009 7:23:38	Yeah, I'm thinking of how many bases you can cover with a Half-Elf Bard with the feat. That might be intentional
#9 big_pete Feb 17, 2009 7:26:59	I kind of wonder, though, why the Half-Orcs don't get a similar feat. They still have the versatility of Humans in their blood, after all. I think Half Elves are considered part human and part elf whereas I believe Half Orcs in 4e are considered a genuine race in their own right, possibly with magical origins rather than the traditional human and orcish orgins of previous editions of dnd
#10 wannabesuperman Feb 17, 2009 23:36:36	I think the DDI article about Half-Orcs mentions that the "blood runs true" or some such. In other words, Half-Orcs reproduce Half-Orcs.
#11 sfurtwangler Feb 18, 2009 15:44:10	Are you implying that half-elves who mate do not produce half-elves?
#12 wannabesuperman Feb 18, 2009 23:59:55	No that isn't what I implied, and it isn't the point of "the blood runs true." I think Eberron may have different rules for this, though. I'm only talking about generic D&D, though it does apply to some of the specific settings. If a Half-Orc and a Human mate, the result is a Half-Orc. If a Half-Elf and a Human mate, the result is a Human.
#13 doctorhook Feb 19, 2009 0:32:50	No that isn't what I implied, and it isn't the point of "the blood runs true." I think Eberron may have different rules for this, though. I'm only talking about generic D&D, though it does apply to some of the specific settings. If a Half-Orc and a Human mate, the result is a Half-Orc. If a Half-Elf and a Human mate, the result is a Human. Interesting speculation. I kinda hope WotC does clarify this; questions about "What do I get if I breed fantasy-race X with fantasy-race Y?" can keep a fan up at night!
#14 Tharag_Bocc Feb 19, 2009 0:54:36	No that isn't what I implied, and it isn't the point of "the blood runs true." I think Eberron may have different rules for this, though. I'm only talking about generic D&D, though it does apply to some of the specific settings. If a Half-Orc and a Human mate, the result is a Half-Orc. If a Half-Elf and a Human mate, the result is a Human. Interesting speculation. I kinda hope WotC does clarify this; questions about "What do I get if I breed fantasy-race X with fantasy-race Y?" can keep a fan up at night! In Eberron... "Elf" + "Human/Half-Elf" = "Half-Efl" "Human" + "Half-Elf" = "Human/Half-Efl" "Half-Elf" + "Half-Elf" = "Half-Efl" This was because there was some intangible but distinct quality of elves which was lost in the hybrid. Future generations could retain a small portion of elven grace, but could never be fully restored no matter how much additional elven blood was introduced. I'm not sure if there ever was an official guide for Half-Orcs, but I think it was at least hinted they worked in a more scientific (genetic traits) way. So... "Orc" + "Human" = "Half-Orc" "Orc" + "Half-Orc = "Orc/Half-Orc" "Human" + "Half-Orc = "Human/Half-Orc" "Half-Orc" + "Half-Orc = "Orc/Human/Half-Orc" ...though a pair of Half-Orcs might have actual always produced Half-Orc offspring instead. It's been far too long since I read the old Eberron articles.