The new race Devas is not Aasimars at all. They have another history, stats etc..I am a new one here in D&D 4.0 but I played in 3.5 and from there have my favourite race Aasimars. Could you tell me people is there any chance to see Aasimars as playable rase?
Probably not. The Deva ate the Aasimar
Yes, you can see them as a playable race, because we have them. They've just been "4e'd". Sorry they aren't what you want/like. Tough cookies, you know?
There are no 'Upper Planes' now (since 4e doesn't use the same cosmology of previous editions). So, the aasimar had to be 're-imagined' to fit. We can still use the 3rd edition cosmology however (in fact, there are brief guidelines given in the 4e Manual of the Planes). If we can do this, then it should be easy enough to use the mechanics of devas to play aasimar in 4e.
I've always enjoyed exploring the shinning hero archtype (such as paladins), so I really like devas (a.k.a. aasimar ;)).
I've always enjoyed exploring the shinning hero archtype (such as paladins), so I really like devas (a.k.a. aasimar ;)).
Aasimars was half human, because they could have children with humans. But Devas could not. When Deva die his spirit is reincarnated in a new adult body in some sacred place... It is not the aasimars at all
And also they have another stats//Aasimars was half human, because they could have children with humans. But Devas could not. When Deva die his spirit is reincarnated in a new adult body in some sacred place... It is not the aasimars at all
Actually Deva can have children with humans or other mortal races. There's even a whole set of feats one can take to represent such heritage, some people even like to use those feats for 4e Aasimars. Also, if you're such a big fan of Aasimars I would have expected you to know that they weren't half-human. They were in fact mostly human with their celestial ancestor being removed by 2 or more generations.
Anyway, reincarnation is just fluff. There really isn't much stopping anyone from using the Aasimar's fluff with the Deva's mechanics. If I were going to run a 4e campaign using the old 3e fluff I'd do exactly that.
The biggest offender against such a switch is the Memory of a Thousand Lifetimes racial power, but even that is easily fixed. A power's name is just fluff. Rename it something like celestial guidance or divine grace, problem solved.
Refluffing the racial power Memory of a Thousand Lifetimes shouldn't be too hard. Just say this 'insight' is a gift of the aasimar's celestial heritage.
Just some ideas ;).
You don't have to stick with the new fluff for devas. You can always use the 4e mechanics, call 'em aasimar and say that they are actually half-human.
Refluffing the racial power Memory of a Thousand Lifetimes shouldn't be too hard. Just say this 'insight' is a gift of the aasimar's celestial heritage.
Just some ideas ;).
And it could be given possibillity to have children by the gods also? you mean smth like that ?
Use the 4e mechanics for a deva but the actual story is that the character is the offspring of a mortal and a good celestial; ignore any mention of being 'reborn' or 'rebirth' in the 4e fluff-- heck, write your own or even port it directly from a 3.5 sourcebook ;).
As an example of 'refluffing' the aasimar while keeping the actual game rules: As DM, I had a player who wanted to play an angel very much. "How about playing an aasimar? They're sorta like angels and fit well with the rest of the group." This was in 3.5 but my recommendation would be the same in 4e as well. So, the player got to play the angel she wanted so badly (wings and all, at one point as I recall ;)).
Aasimars was half human, because they could have children with humans. But Devas could not. When Deva die his spirit is reincarnated in a new adult body in some sacred place... It is not the aasimars at all
Big deal. Change the fluff to suit your campaign, and call their racial power something else. There, you're done. Most players don't give a fig about heritage or whether their PCs can get one another pregnant or not.
And also they have another stats//
Every race has different stat mods, and stats in general work very differently in 4E.
Also you could make a human (or elf or any other non-deva race) and give them the deva bloodline feats and you have your aasimar: a mortal with the blood of an angel in them. What I think would be an interesting concept is a tiefling with deva bloodline.
I can't change the appearance of my Tiefling, he can't have a tentacle growing out of his face and cloven hooves.
Bel
Ah, takes me back to the Tiefling debates when 4E first came out.
I can't change the appearance of my Tiefling, he can't have a tentacle growing out of his face and cloven hooves.
Bel
Tieflings in our games don't have a unified appearance (despite what's said in the 4e PH). They appear human at a glance, although they possess at least one unnatural feature that reveals their infernal heritage (a whiff of brimstone, small horns, or red eyes); no two tieflings have the exact same apperance.
This is how they were often described in 2nd edition (such as Planescape) and even in 3.5 (such as Races of Destiny). If it worked in those games, why not 4e, eh ;)?
Similarly, even though I like how devas appear in 4e, they don't look like this in our games. Like tieflings, they appear human from a distance. Up close their 'heveanly' aspects shine through: Tall, attractive, maybe silver or golden hair, or even metallic eyes or a melodic voice. When it comes to my homebrew games, I prefer a more subtle approach than 4e takes.
Thank you all, i think i will get Human with some kind of selestial or smth like that background. I even saw smth like that in 4.0 character backgrounds.Some kind of profecy or blessing..But I didn't see any bloodlines
Bloodlines can be found in Ecology of the Deva, though a DDi account is required to read the article.
Bloodlines can be found in Ecology of the Deva, though a DDi account is required to read the article.
I am sorry . I can not see that text i havn't insider account yet. Say please here what did you want to show me there.
Bloodlines can be found in Ecology of the Deva, though a DDi account is required to read the article.
An excellent article, I can't recommend it enough. If you can spare $8.00 to download Dragon #374 (the current cost of a monthly subscription to D&D Insider), its definitely worth a look for anyone who enjoys the ideas behind aasimar/devas.
I am sorry . I can not see that text i havn't insider account yet. Say please here what did you want to show me there.
You said...
But I didn't see any bloodlines
...so I pointed you to the appropriate resource.
I have no money on my WEBMONEY now to look at it ((
I mean Deva has no children, so how could it be any bloodlines with humans?
I have no money on my WEBMONEY now to look at it ((
Actually, they can have children, just not deva children. A snippit from the Ecology article (in case anyone is interested):
"Devas can also have actual families, although this practice can be hard on those involved. A deva might marry, and he or she can even have children with a nondeva. When this happens, the family unit is very important to the deva. Devas nurture their loved ones, taking proper responsibility and teaching youngsters with the utmost care so that they know right from wrong."
I mean Deva has no children, so how could it be any bloodlines with humans?
I have no money on my WEBMONEY now to look at it ((
Deva cannot have children with other Deva. They can however (though its rare) have children with other races, not just humans.
The article talks about it and adds bloodline feats for it. You have to take Deva Heritage first to unlock the other bloodline feats for Devas.
This works like the Dhampyr as well with the Vampiric Heritage bloodline feat.
Think of bloodline feats like Multiclass feats were you take one ot go into that bloodline that in turn unlocks others that build on the base. Like Multiclass you can only take one heritage/bloodline base feat so you couldn't be a Deva Dhampyr Eladrin for example.
For Deva the benefits for the heritage feat alone is a utility power (Astral Splendor) and +2 to Perception and Insight checks against devils, angels, devas, and rakshasa. Even a deva could take this feat to more strongly emphasize their angelic nature.
Actually, they can have children, just not deva children. A snippit from the Ecology article (in case anyone is interested):
"Devas can also have actual families, although this practice can be hard on those involved. A deva might marry, and he or she can even have children with a nondeva. When this happens, the family unit is very important to the deva. Devas nurture their loved ones, taking proper responsibility and teaching youngsters with the utmost care so that they know right from wrong."
Ok. Thank you very much for explanation
and information that you gave. So actually bloodlines with Devas could be, but children will be nondeva, but perhaps with some celestial powers. Thak you all again!
Its okay to share a snipit of an article with non-subscribers (like I did above) but sharing the whole thing would certainly be crossing the line. Sorry, Gersan ;).
That's Ok. I have tried at least
I didn't know that it would be so difficult to give one little article .....And as long as sane heads prevail in the D&D design team, it will never return. :P
It is one of the better player-option oriented articles, IMO.
Oh, how I love mixing metaphors!
On a tangent: I for one am thankful they ditched the name "Aasimar".
And as long as sane heads prevail in the D&D design team, it will never return. :P
They are also known as aasimars in the 4e FR player's guide; in the Mulan language or something.
They are also known as aasimars in the 4e FR player's guide; in the Mulan language or something.
Chinese?
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. . . so I'll be going now :P