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Any word yet on 4e Psionics?

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#1
pallin_rahl
Dec 06, 2008 16:23:11 Just wondering if anything has been mentioned yet regarding a 4e Psionics Handbook.

I was a big fan of Psionics as they refined it for 3.5e and furthermore see it as an integral part of Eberron (which I know is coming out for 4e in June 09).

P.S. Off topic, but any word on 4e Monks yet? (I know Bard, Barbarian & Druid are slated for the 4e PHB2)
#2
sigil_beguiler
Dec 06, 2008 16:34:00 The best bet is that Psionics will come out in a PHB (just like all other Power Sources). Most people are betting PHB3 (given that PHB2 are Arcane, Divine and Primal) and each Power Source gets their own Power book.

People are thinking that if Psionics come out in PHB3 it means a good possibility of Dark Sun being the next setting.
#3
ranadiel
Dec 06, 2008 16:36:17 Only info we currently have right now is that the psionic leader will be the empath. Current speculation puts psionics being in PHBIII, but nothing concrete there. Same situation for the monk.

It's getting it's own supplement sometime in between now and summer. At least that's what I've heard from people, could be wrong.

We have the WotC calendars from now until August next year. Nothing about psionics in any of them.
#4
pallin_rahl
Dec 06, 2008 16:58:59 Hmm... given the way things are playing out with power sources, maybe Psi stuff and Monks will be in the same book... Monks fitting into a similar theme/power source if they heavily focus on the mental discipline angle of Monks.
#5
sigil_beguiler
Dec 06, 2008 17:08:19 Well we already know there is going to be a Ki Power Source, so more likely then not the Monk will be Ki based.
#6
doctorhook
Dec 07, 2008 16:00:25 Suffice to say, if we're fortunate enough to see Psionics in a 2010 release, we'll probably have D&DI previews by this time next year. IF.
#7
gnarfflinger
Dec 08, 2008 13:08:56 So it could be Psionic and Ki debuting in PHB III in 2010, then One power book in summer the other in the fall...
#8
Omni-Wyvernil
Dec 08, 2008 13:24:07
So it could be Psionic and Ki debuting in PHB III in 2010, then One power book in summer the other in the fall...

I'm going to guess (and it's been heavily speculated) that the PHB3 will focus on Psionic, Ki, and Shadow classes. The Monk and the psionic classes are in demand and probably won't be put off for much longer. Shadow will probably beat out Elemental because its flavor is more unique and its archetypes (illusion and necromancy) more firmly established.

After PHB2, they'll probably have done as much as they could with the martial, divine, and arcane types (given the difficulty in coming up with an idea for a martial controller class), and I don't think they'll add many additional classes (besides the artificer for the Eberron setting).
#9
cadfan
Dec 08, 2008 13:37:04
Shadow will probably beat out Elemental because its flavor is more unique and its archetypes (illusion and necromancy) more firmly established.

I'm not sure you can understand the Shadow power source without also understanding the Shadowcaster from Tome of Magic.

The design process seems to have gone like this- the Shadow power source was included. In 3e, that meant "mirror magic," reflections, illusions that were themselves reflections, and a sort of super-magic vibe in which shadow magic was better than regular magic in some ways and could control regular magic, but where shadow magic was harder to use.

Then, illusion and necromancy, two things usually owned by arcane magic, were given to the Shadow power source in order to fill out the power source further and to ensure that each power source had a solid shtick.

What that means is that the illusion and necromancy themes of shadow magic will probably be interpreted through the lens of regular shadow magic, instead of the other way around.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 pallin_rahl Dec 06, 2008 16:23:11	Just wondering if anything has been mentioned yet regarding a 4e Psionics Handbook. I was a big fan of Psionics as they refined it for 3.5e and furthermore see it as an integral part of Eberron (which I know is coming out for 4e in June 09). P.S. Off topic, but any word on 4e Monks yet? (I know Bard, Barbarian & Druid are slated for the 4e PHB2)
#2 sigil_beguiler Dec 06, 2008 16:34:00	The best bet is that Psionics will come out in a PHB (just like all other Power Sources). Most people are betting PHB3 (given that PHB2 are Arcane, Divine and Primal) and each Power Source gets their own Power book. People are thinking that if Psionics come out in PHB3 it means a good possibility of Dark Sun being the next setting.
#3 ranadiel Dec 06, 2008 16:36:17	Only info we currently have right now is that the psionic leader will be the empath. Current speculation puts psionics being in PHBIII, but nothing concrete there. Same situation for the monk. It's getting it's own supplement sometime in between now and summer. At least that's what I've heard from people, could be wrong. We have the WotC calendars from now until August next year. Nothing about psionics in any of them.
#4 pallin_rahl Dec 06, 2008 16:58:59	Hmm... given the way things are playing out with power sources, maybe Psi stuff and Monks will be in the same book... Monks fitting into a similar theme/power source if they heavily focus on the mental discipline angle of Monks.
#5 sigil_beguiler Dec 06, 2008 17:08:19	Well we already know there is going to be a Ki Power Source, so more likely then not the Monk will be Ki based.
#6 doctorhook Dec 07, 2008 16:00:25	Suffice to say, if we're fortunate enough to see Psionics in a 2010 release, we'll probably have D&DI previews by this time next year. IF.
#7 gnarfflinger Dec 08, 2008 13:08:56	So it could be Psionic and Ki debuting in PHB III in 2010, then One power book in summer the other in the fall...
#8 Omni-Wyvernil Dec 08, 2008 13:24:07	So it could be Psionic and Ki debuting in PHB III in 2010, then One power book in summer the other in the fall... I'm going to guess (and it's been heavily speculated) that the PHB3 will focus on Psionic, Ki, and Shadow classes. The Monk and the psionic classes are in demand and probably won't be put off for much longer. Shadow will probably beat out Elemental because its flavor is more unique and its archetypes (illusion and necromancy) more firmly established. After PHB2, they'll probably have done as much as they could with the martial, divine, and arcane types (given the difficulty in coming up with an idea for a martial controller class), and I don't think they'll add many additional classes (besides the artificer for the Eberron setting).
#9 cadfan Dec 08, 2008 13:37:04	Shadow will probably beat out Elemental because its flavor is more unique and its archetypes (illusion and necromancy) more firmly established. I'm not sure you can understand the Shadow power source without also understanding the Shadowcaster from Tome of Magic. The design process seems to have gone like this- the Shadow power source was included. In 3e, that meant "mirror magic," reflections, illusions that were themselves reflections, and a sort of super-magic vibe in which shadow magic was better than regular magic in some ways and could control regular magic, but where shadow magic was harder to use. Then, illusion and necromancy, two things usually owned by arcane magic, were given to the Shadow power source in order to fill out the power source further and to ensure that each power source had a solid shtick. What that means is that the illusion and necromancy themes of shadow magic will probably be interpreted through the lens of regular shadow magic, instead of the other way around.