So, I've just come to understand that the deluxe versions of the Core rulebooks being released will include the updated information and errata that's been published since the games release. The game that was released 3 months ago. THREE MONTHS.
I have a great idea for the R&D team at WOTC. It's just my two cents, and maybe it's not such a good idea, but here it comes anyway.
Play test the games for more than five minutes before you release them.
Is that unrealistic? Probably. I've heard on podcasts and through posts here that the 4e team had been designing and play testing for nearly a year before it's release. Let me go off topic to illustrate a point.
If I hire a plumber who's paid by the hour, then leave my house for the whole day, I imagine that plumber will tell me that it took him all day to fix my toilet. I have no idea, because I've been gone all day. Most likely he spent all day watching TV and raiding my fridge, but since I wasn't there to supervise him he can claim whatever he wants.
Back to my point. The designers of 4e were watching TV and raiding the fridge for a year, not putting together a totally developed game system.
Who didn't read the stealth rules and think, "Wow, this is really overpowered. A Rogue can stand behind his Defender and get stealth and add 2d6?" Of course. And there was a crapstorm of posts debating it. Now they're releasing the complete updated version in new $35 dollar books. Wow.
Some WOTC apologists might say I can have the free updates by printing out the online errata. Stop towing the company line, and start expecting a complete product the first time. I feel I'm being penalized for buying the product first. D&D shouldn't be like buying a new iPod, where the new and improved model is out three months later. Even 3e waited a few years before 3.5. Not 4e though, they waited 3 months before releasing 4.1.
If WOTC wants my money from now on, they're going to have to sell me something I don't already have. And if I already bought it, why isn't it a complete freaking product???
This company must be run by the absolute worst bloodsucking money hungry villains out there, or by incompetents. Judging by their success, I'm going to vote for the former.
When you make a deal with the devil, he always collects.
So, I've just come to understand that the deluxe versions of the Core rulebooks being released will include the updated information and errata that's been published since the games release.
You wanna source that?
Do you know how patches for computer games were done before the proliferation of the internet? You either shut the hell up and dealt with errors in said computer game, or you sent a letter nicely printed out on your dot matrix printer, and requested them to send you a 5 1/2 floppy disk with an update, that is if one was even available. Guess what? Errata for RPG's before the proliferation of the internet generally consisted of a new printing of the book, or a brand new version. Or you houseruled the hell out of it.
Now, if you bought the game on 'faith', and I did this very thing, then you have no right to complain about these books because you COULD have waited for the errata to come out. You could have done the research and played the game for a few months before buying - I'm sure someone in your group would have bought the books. But if you bought something without waiting and doing the research and are disappointed, then guess what too bad. This doesn't go for just WotC, it goes for anything. Do the research before you buy anything. As to the playtesting, you are partially right. They should have more playtesters. This would include releasing free copies of the game to everyone who would ever play it, at which point they would never buy the game at all, because they would have all the rules. Also, I've found in my personal experience, that the people that tend to find the loopholes and things that need to be changed in the errata - which more often than not are interpretations of RAW that are different than the RAI are complete jerks. This is not saying they all are, only the ones I've encountered in my personal experience so far. It is entirely possible that the design team did oversee the stealth rules because they thought that the audience might have some gorram common sense and not say you can hide behind another character to become invisible.
Now I may come off as defending WotC, but really what I'm doing is saying I sick of this god damned argument. If you don't like it. Don't buy any WotC product and go play something else, or man up and build your own RPG and sell it and compete against WotC. This is what Paizo is saying they want to do with Pathfinder (3.75e). It's not necessarily better, but it is different and gives the individual a choice. A choice that should be personal. At this point the personal choice should be kept to oneself because otherwise you come off sounding like a whiny little, oh just insert your own personally offensive expletive here and be done with it.
You know another thing, I bet a large number of the people buying the deluxe books are doing so for a collectors reason, leaving the regular copy to get all the cheetos and pop stains on it, and the deluxe ones to collect dust alongside their first printing of the original 1e DMG.
About the only constructive thing the OP has done is sway me more on blocking comments and starting to add people to my ignore list. Thank you for that.
Here's the source that the OP didn't think to include: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ask/20080922
Huh, cool. Now I'm almost tempted to buy them. Unfortunatly, I'm short on cash. Oh well.
You're being robbed!
So, I've just come to understand that the deluxe versions of the Core rulebooks being released will include the updated information and errata that's been published since the games release. The game that was released 3 months ago. THREE MONTHS.
I have a great idea for the R&D team at WOTC. It's just my two cents, and maybe it's not such a good idea, but here it comes anyway.
Play test the games for more than five minutes before you release them.
Is that unrealistic? Probably. I've heard on podcasts and through posts here that the 4e team had been designing and play testing for nearly a year before it's release. Let me go off topic to illustrate a point.
If I hire a plumber who's paid by the hour, then leave my house for the whole day, I imagine that plumber will tell me that it took him all day to fix my toilet. I have no idea, because I've been gone all day. Most likely he spent all day watching TV and raiding my fridge, but since I wasn't there to supervise him he can claim whatever he wants.
Back to my point. The designers of 4e were watching TV and raiding the fridge for a year, not putting together a totally developed game system.
Who didn't read the stealth rules and think, "Wow, this is really overpowered. A Rogue can stand behind his Defender and get stealth and add 2d6?" Of course. And there was a crapstorm of posts debating it. Now they're releasing the complete updated version in new $35 dollar books. Wow.
Some WOTC apologists might say I can have the free updates by printing out the online errata. Stop towing the company line, and start expecting a complete product the first time. I feel I'm being penalized for buying the product first. D&D shouldn't be like buying a new iPod, where the new and improved model is out three months later. Even 3e waited a few years before 3.5. Not 4e though, they waited 3 months before releasing 4.1.
If WOTC wants my money from now on, they're going to have to sell me something I don't already have. And if I already bought it, why isn't it a complete freaking product???
This company must be run by the absolute worst bloodsucking money hungry villains out there, or by incompetents. Judging by their success, I'm going to vote for the former.
When you make a deal with the devil, he always collects.
I know!
I HATE it when a company realizes it made mistakes in a complex product, then they turn around and release free updates to solve those problems right away.
The old way of waiting a few years before getting any errata to correct broken/overpowered/ambiguous rules was SO much better. Especially when they compiled it into a new set of books and made me pay again![/sarcasm]
Look, I hardly expect any rules system to be perfect, especially not given the overhaul that this edition was given. Even after a year or two of revisions and playtesting. That they recognize these errors and are acting quickly to resolve them - that's a GOOD thing.
If they were sitting on broken mechanics for several months, even a year before releasing updates - THAT is something to be upset about.
It hardly takes an "apologist" to point out that these updates are free, especially in the face of an argument that HIGHLIGHTS waiting a few years to release a new version.
From what I'm reading in your argument:
1) You're upset that there are (free) updates
2) You prefer they would have waiting a few years for updates ala 3.5
3) Despite there being free updates, you're even MORE upset that people have the *option* of buying deluxe edition collector's books that will have the current updates
I don't know about you, but since updates are free and available *now* and nobody is being forced to buy the deluxe books. . . I'm a happy camper.
I guess people will complain about anything.
"Robbed", as if they are forcing you to buy it. Dramatics, much?
It must be an interesting reality you live in. What's it like with the sky constantly falling like that?
Let’s keep the personal attacks down shall we?
Constructive critical response is fantastic, snide remarks only reinforce a negative community.
Keep it positive!
Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
D&D 3.5 Errata (various books)
Vampire: the Requiem Errata
Word of Darkness Errata
Mutants & Masterminds Errata (1e)
Mutants & Masterminds Errata (2e) and here (specific to 3rd Printing)
This is just how this industry works. It's pretty much the same when anyone publishes an interactive product for consumer use. All of that being said though, I actually appreciate the updates, instead of the old practice of some companies that just pretended the issues weren't there.
Twenty years of buying D&D books and I've finally realized: I've had enough. I really don't need any more books; I've got the core set, that's all I need. I don't care if they errata and have new print runs every month. I'm done.
I don't see any reason to be bitter or hateful about this. Sure, I'm sad that I've outgrown D&D (as a brand, at least) but hey, I've had a good, long run. I've had fun and can't complain. Breaking News: WotC can't rob us . . . we only rob ourselves ;).
2) You prefer they would have waiting a few years for updates ala 3.5
Yeah. 3.5e was just an update. :D
When you make a deal with the devil, he always collects.
And I just LUUUV collectin'. Hey all,
Let’s keep the personal attacks down shall we?
Constructive critical response is fantastic, snide remarks only reinforce a negative community.
Keep it possitive!
......You spelled positive wrong. :P
......You spelled positive wrong. :P
DOH!
*runs back to ninja edit*
Hey all,
Let’s keep the personal attacks down shall we?
Constructive critical response is fantastic, snide remarks only reinforce a negative community.
Keep it positive!
I have a better idea. When people see threads like this, don't respond at all. You accomplish nothing by giving trolls an ear.
There are a lot of idiots in this forum that cry about the dumbest things but you know when something is completely not right and you did the right thing with this.
My trust meter is moving slowly your direction. Keep it going...
EK
I have a better idea. When people see threads like this, don't respond at all. You accomplish nothing by giving trolls an ear.
The trick is to address the topic, not the poster.
I find the idea that WotC is somehow robbing us, silly as can be. Doesn't mean I won't address such a topic however.
If every topic was prim and proper, this place would be terribly boring. Trolls I can live without but hot-button topics are just too good to pass up sometimes ;).
The trick is to address the topic, not the poster.
Except when the poster in question is the original poster. The entire purpose of this thread is to troll.
If every topic was prim and proper, this place would be terribly boring. Trolls I can live without but hot-button topics are just too good to pass up sometimes ;).
Fair enough, but when you reward trolls by giving them an audience, you can't complain when the boards get overwhelmed with them.
Who didn't read the stealth rules and think, "Wow, this is really overpowered. A Rogue can stand behind his Defender and get stealth and add 2d6?" Of course. And there was a crapstorm of posts debating it. Now they're releasing the complete updated version in new $35 dollar books. Wow.
I din't read that. It's called common sense. So.. hide behind someone and become invisible? No, sorry that doesn't work.
It's like the 3e Bag O' Rats trick. (Which, by the by is mentioned in the 4e books. The books tell you not to abuse the rules like that. Such tricks and loopholes don't work.)
And that's what was posted all over the forums. "You can hide behind a friend!"
Any DM can clearly see this Rule Abuse and not let it happen.
So clearly people intentionally or unintentionally muddy the rule explination and the books get updated. That is a good thing.
WotC does playtest the game. There's even a whole page listing a large number of playtesters. It's the larger group that finds these loopholes/issues/rule abuses.
WotC does playtest the game. There's even a whole page listing a large number of playtesters. It's the larger group that finds these loopholes/issues/rule abuses.
With all due respect, even a larger group can't find all the errata, not in so short a time period before the material has to go to the printers.
Sighs. Still I hope there will be an errata-free game book product.
As for the silly "robbing us" notion. I'm not being robbed. I haven't ordered those leatherbound books. In the end, WotC may be the one losing money, and left with a warehouse full of unsold books (like TSR).
Then again, I have known quite a few hardcore fans that ARE willing to buy ALL THINGS D&D. Not my duty to stop them, though. They're spending THEIR money, not mine.
As for the silly "robbing us" notion. I'm not being robbed. I haven't ordered those leatherbound books. In the end, WotC may be the one losing money, and left with a warehouse full of unsold books (like TSR).
Then again, I have known quite a few hardcore fans that ARE willing to buy ALL THINGS D&D. Not my duty to stop them, though. They're spending THEIR money, not mine.
I agree with your point about not being robbed, but I actually see it in a different light.
Actually being "robbed" is about perception. If you feel like the product you purchased wasn't worth the cost then you've been "robbed", intentions of the publisher aside. If you feel like it worth every cent you paid, then you're out nothing.
I agree with your point about not being robbed, but I actually see it in a different light.
Actually being "robbed" is about perception. If you feel like the product you purchased wasn't worth the cost then you've been "robbed", intentions of the publisher aside. If you feel like it worth every cent you paid, then you're out nothing.
Sorry, but that is not what "Robbed" means. Your personal usage of the word is in stark contrast to the meaning of the word.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/robbed
Robbed is the unlawful removal of object or money by force.
Sorry, but that is not what "Robbed" means. Your personal usage of the word is in stark contrast to the meaning of the word.
As a former editor-in-chief of a law journal, I find myself correcting people's grammar, vocabulary, etc. until they're sick of me (which doesn't take long). Nevertheless, this is an unfair criticism that even I wouldn't make. People say that the refs "robbed" their team on the field. Does that colloquial use of the term cause you to cite URLs pointing to dictionaries? There's nothing wrong with slang so long as people know what you mean, and we all know what the anti-WotC posters meant (i.e., taking advantage of our geeky natures to leverage us into buying the same product twice). I simply argue that they're wrong because our natures are our own responsibilities. The opposing point of view is just an example of our typical, spoiled, American characteristic of shifting the blame to someone else when things go bad for us due to our own OCD, stupidity, ignorance, arrogance, etc.
Nevertheless, the message is the same: If you don't think the deluxe editions are worth your money, don't buy them.
Does that colloquial use of the term cause you to cite URLs pointing to dictionaries?
Normally I ignore it as well, but this time I felt compelled. When uses a common word as a personal idiom that has only a cursory connection to the actual meaning of the word, I do have to go into grammar nazi mode.
I, however, do share the message; "If you don't think the deluxe editions are worth your money, don't buy them".
Normally I ignore it as well, but this time I felt compelled. When uses a common word as a personal idiom that has only a cursory connection to the actual meaning of the word, I do have to go into grammar nazi mode.
I, however, do share the message; "If you don't think the deluxe editions are worth your money, don't buy them".
Which is why we should be ignoring this thread altogether: it was started as a troll by a troll. Ergo, our criticisms may seem inappropriate at times. Unfortunately (or fortunately), it's taken on a life of its own and become a legitimate topic, which has me responding.
With all due respect, even a larger group can't find all the errata, not in so short a time period before the material has to go to the printers.
Yep, that's part of my point. Once the larger "playtest group" (I.E. The players) get their hands on it, all these issues present themselves.
:D
Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
You're being robbed!
I have a great idea for the R&D team at WOTC. It's just my two cents, and maybe it's not such a good idea, but here it comes anyway. Play test the games for more than five minutes before you release them. If I hire a plumber who's paid by the hour, then leave my house for the whole day, I imagine that plumber will tell me that it took him all day to fix my toilet. I have no idea, because I've been gone all day. Most likely he spent all day watching TV and raiding my fridge, but since I wasn't there to supervise him he can claim whatever he wants. Some WOTC apologists might say I can have the free updates by printing out the online errata. Stop towing the company line, and start expecting a complete product the first time. I feel I'm being penalized for buying the product first. D&D shouldn't be like buying a new iPod, where the new and improved model is out three months later. Even 3e waited a few years before 3.5. Not 4e though, they waited 3 months before releasing 4.1. This company must be run by the absolute worst bloodsucking money hungry villains out there, or by incompetents. Judging by their success, I'm going to vote for the former.
The first thing I thought when I read this was:
What a load of paranoid crap.
Get off your high horse and come back to reality, MCPunchFunk. Were you AT WotC when they were working on the 4E system for the years that they were doing? Were you clocking in at the development meetings and and playtesting times? No? I thought not. Then how in the Nine Hells, can you claim that they didn't playtest it? Your comments are based purely upon ignorance, and deserve no merit whatsoever.
Your comments about a plumber in your house demonstrate your general paranoia and lack of trust with society and continue to illustrate that comments aren't based on verifiable fact.
So when you say we should expect a complete product the first time, you mean that we should never get any updates or clarifications? News flash! D&D is an EVER-EVOLVING GAME. If WotC *didn't* put out errata, then the game would break down REAL quick!
Oh, you've been *penalized* for buying the books first. Wahh. You got books when they came out, then when the designers realized that there were problems, they fixed them FOR FREE, and you still complain. Boo hoo.
And just for the record, 3E had errata released for it shortly after it was printed too. So that part of your argument has no validity either.
Which is why we should be ignoring this thread altogether: it was started as a troll by a troll. Ergo, our criticisms may seem inappropriate at times. Unfortunately (or fortunately), it's taken on a life of its own and become a legitimate topic, which has me responding.
Yeah, the hope of something useful growing out of this thread is what kept me popping my head in... but all I found was stuff that made my OCD twitch. >,>;;
I wouldn't encourage anyone whose thinking of buying the deluxe books just for the errata getting the deluxe books at all. Give WotC a month or two after the deluxe books are out and the standard books will have the errata incorporated into them. WotC did it with the leatherbound 3.5 books (We have a "standard" 3.5 PHB at my house that has the updated leatherbound text) , I'd expect they'll do it within the next print run or two of the base books.
So, if the deluxe books are not for you nor for me, then who is WotC selling it to?
Hmm.
Yep, that's part of my point. Once the larger "playtest group" (I.E. The players) get their hands on it, all these issues present themselves.
:D
That and all the time in the world. Perhaps including the lack of WotC's rules of playtesting put upon us customers, assuming there is any. Kinda like having rules for jury duty.
Titanium Dragon brought up another point. Where do WotC go to for playtesting? RPGA? If so, should the members be competent?
So, if the deluxe books are not for you nor for me, then who is WotC selling it to?
Hmm.
Collectors, of course (you're being sarcastic aren't you ?!?) - and those who want to flash the fancy books at their friends with the "Look what I got" goofy grin. I used to be a collector of all things D&D, but 3E actually broke me of that.
I will say in 3E I was going to buy all the leatherbounds for 3E (did get the PHB) partly for the errata, partly to have a goofy grin on my face, but when our group discovered the leather-bound/ninja-edited standard PHB, I held off and never did pick up the DMG or MM.
So, if the deluxe books are not for you nor for me, then who is WotC selling it to?
Hmm.
Me, having bought the pdf files of the books instead of hardcopy, because I figured this would happen exactly like it did with 3.5.
Me, having bought the pdf files of the books instead of hardcopy, because I figured this would happen exactly like it did with 3.5.
Aren't the PDF's supposed to be updated when the books are? Would this count?
Aren't the PDF's supposed to be updated when the books are? Would this count?
Yes, they are updated when errata is incorporated into the book, if the book has the same SKU. I bought the pdf files so that I could have the books immediately, print them out for my use, doge-ear them, write in them, etc, and wait to get "nice" books until the errata was incorporated in a print run. This way, I get the best of all possible worlds.
Collectors, of course (you're being sarcastic aren't you ?!?)
Is that obvious? :D
Actually, I'm trying to weed out those willing to buy such a thing when a standard edition is more than enough to play.
Like Digital_Thaumaturgy.
Actually, I'm trying to weed out those willing to buy such a thing when a standard edition is more than enough to play.
Why would you care about what other people chose to buy?
I used to be a collector of all things D&D, but 3E actually broke me of that.
Me too:
…I learned my lesson in 2nd Ed with The Complete Gnome Cobbler's Handbook and those Al-Qadim napkins…
Why would you care about what other people chose to buy?
I don't want WotC to get an idea how to market in the future.
So am I to understand if WotC didn't release any errata and just left stuff broken that we wouldn't be "robbed" since then they'd be releasing an errata-free product? :D
If you want to be technical about the word "errata." :P
I don't want WotC to get an idea how to market in the future.
Oy. If people buy the books, then by definition there's a market for them. WotC's marketing strategy doesn't and shouldn't revolve around you. It's always about catering to the numbers.
Oy. If people buy the books, then by definition there's a market for them. WotC's marketing strategy doesn't and shouldn't revolve around you. It's always about catering to the numbers.
Then pray the numbers represent the average joes with average income ... kinda like ... hmm ... ME.
--not a richie rich boy.
Would you rather they release without the erratta? I would think that was retarded. Including the erratta (which is free, by the way), simply makes the package all the more sweet.
"Robbed", as if they are forcing you to buy it. Dramatics, much?
I wish they had never released in the first place but your right noone is forcing me to buy any more product or to play what I feel is an inferior one.
Just my
You're being robbed!
So, I've just come to understand that the deluxe versions of the Core rulebooks being released will include the updated information and errata that's been published since the games release. The game that was released 3 months ago. THREE MONTHS.
I have a great idea for the R&D team at WOTC. It's just my two cents, and maybe it's not such a good idea, but here it comes anyway.
Play test the games for more than five minutes before you release them.
Uhmm...they did. Not only that but they also released books of what we could possibly expect (with the art, concepts, and essentially nothing that had a stat block at all...and people bought those btw).
Is that unrealistic? Probably. I've heard on podcasts and through posts here that the 4e team had been designing and play testing for nearly a year before it's release. Let me go off topic to illustrate a point.
If I hire a plumber who's paid by the hour, then leave my house for the whole day, I imagine that plumber will tell me that it took him all day to fix my toilet. I have no idea, because I've been gone all day. Most likely he spent all day watching TV and raiding my fridge, but since I wasn't there to supervise him he can claim whatever he wants.
Back to my point. The designers of 4e were watching TV and raiding the fridge for a year, not putting together a totally developed game system.
So what do you want them to do? Not watch TV and/or raid a fridge? That's what ALL OF US DO when we play RPGs (even you I would suspect). As a matter of fact I appreciate the fact that my gaming group has a 'community fridge' where we can get a beverage on our breaks during the game.
Who didn't read the stealth rules and think, "Wow, this is really overpowered. A Rogue can stand behind his Defender and get stealth and add 2d6?" Of course. And there was a crapstorm of posts debating it. Now they're releasing the complete updated version in new $35 dollar books. Wow.
So instead of paying $35 for a book that tells you (whatever) use one of the greatest DM rules ever: The House Rule.
(and as an aside can Rogues no longer do this? can someone point me in the direction of that Rogue 'debate' please?)
Some WOTC apologists might say I can have the free updates by printing out the online errata. Stop towing the company line, and start expecting a complete product the first time. I feel I'm being penalized for buying the product first. D&D shouldn't be like buying a new iPod, where the new and improved model is out three months later. Even 3e waited a few years before 3.5. Not 4e though, they waited 3 months before releasing 4.1.
If you feel like you're penalized then don't buy 4.1 (or the Deluxe books or whatever). Make a SMART decision as a consumer as opposed to buying something and then complaining about money YOU SPENT! One of the current problems with today's economy is people who mis-use the judicial system to compensate them for making bad decisions as a consumer. I'm sure our court systems have better things to do than smooth over the ego of someone who did not spend his/her money wisely. If you have a problem with the product there are some questions you should probably ask yourself. Did the book break? Is the ink coming off on your fingers when you read the book while going to the bathroom? If you bought the book and don't like it then take it back to where you bought it from.
I happen to work for a company (a major wireless phone company) and you remind me of people who feel their phone should work 100% of the time. It doesn't. Neither do these forums, or even the non-electronic games we play. They never ever work 100% of the time. If they did there is nothing new to learn, no growth, and in the case of technology it will never work 100% of the time (and half the time it doesn't work it's the manufacturer of the product, not the network that the product is able to be used on).
If WOTC wants my money from now on, they're going to have to sell me something I don't already have. And if I already bought it, why isn't it a complete freaking product???
Again they can not see every possible avenue of thought when it comes down to a gaming product. They have a timetable, as a business, to complete a product for it's release.
Back when I used to DJ at clubs I could never ever know what I would play during the night (and I also could not know what any of the other DJs that night would play either). There was zero chance of knowing everything 100%. A lot of what we used to make a successful night came in the form of feedback from the patrons. They spoke with their money and we responded (usually with fulfilling requests either that night or being e-mailed between club nights, or by taking their money and booking bands for them as a 'thank you' to the patrons).
That is how a business is run (and how it should be ran). I'm sorry these books did not expose every single possibility for the players, however imho that's half the fun of figuring these things out.
This company must be run by the absolute worst bloodsucking money hungry villains out there, or by incompetents. Judging by their success, I'm going to vote for the former.
When you make a deal with the devil, he always collects.
No one is making you buy the book. No one. Also seeing as how WotC is a part of Hasbro I'm sure it takes rather smart people to run a large company.
You're unhappy, we get it. I happen to disagree with nearly everything you said. Welcome to America.
Is the ink coming off on your fingers when you read the book...
Funny you should ask that...
This is another reason I bought the pdf files instead of printed books. A few of my friends that bought the first print run books from our local Books-A-Million have shown me numerous places in their books where the ink smudges. While probably a contractor issue and not the direct fault of WotC, it still sucks.
Several of them have taken their books back to the stores and exchanged them, but every book from the first printing has the same problem (at least in my friend group). I don't know if this problem affected other printings though, or if it affected books shipped to other regions of the country (I live in the southeastern USA) or to other retailers.
One guy I know even had most of the text of a page come off when he put his character sheet in his PHB and left it for a few days.
