Are we looking at a Gauntlet-type of dungeon crawl like many previous casual D&D games or is there value in a character builder app? Personally, I think that this would be an interesting place to have some co-op hack-and-slash with some deep character building.
The Magic game on Xbox has drawn in a number of players to the table top game. What sort of video game experiences do you think would encourage more people to try the pen and paper D&D?
I've always thought that DnD lent itself well to turn based RPGs, especially the tactical ones like Final Fantasy Tactics. I could never understand why they never made an attempt at this (that I'm aware of).
That would be my suggestion.
I've always thought that DnD lent itself well to turn based RPGs, especially the tactical ones like Final Fantasy Tactics. I could never understand why they never made an attempt at this (that I'm aware of).
That would be my suggestion.
There was a D&D tactics style RPG for the PSP a couple of years ago that was not that good. A co-op dungeon crawl game would be cool.
I've always thought that DnD lent itself well to turn based RPGs, especially the tactical ones like Final Fantasy Tactics. I could never understand why they never made an attempt at this (that I'm aware of).
That would be my suggestion.
There was a D&D tactics style RPG for the PSP a couple of years ago that was not that good. A co-op dungeon crawl game would be cool.
There was also one for the GBA – Eye of the Beholder. It was pretty bad.
That said, I would like a good tactics D&D game.
As for good D&D games on consoles, Baldur's gate 1 &2 for the playstation 2, D&D heroes for the xbox and demonstone were all good IMO. Turn based games are enjoyed by a minority and for the majority, they're slow and dull, so turn based is probably not the best route to take. Especially if the game would feature multiplayer off or online.
I think it would be very cool to have a standard rpg style (real time) dungeon crawl, with urban areas as well as dungeons and wilderness areas, similar to BG, but with online mulitplayer. I think it would be a lot of fun to have 8 players working together, or have smaller teams working against each other.
I'd rather have a slow paced turn based game for the pc, a machine that can handle large amounts of use at a time, rather than killing my console playing a single, slow game. Consoles need fast paced games worth playing. D&D already has a few strikes against it in the video game world, I'd hope they'd learn from those mistakes.
As for good D&D games on consoles, Baldur's gate 1 &2 for the playstation 2
I don't think Baldur's Gate 1 for the PS2 counts as a D&D game in anything but name. From what I recall it didn't even try to use the D&D rules at all(only thing I recall about the game though is that one of the playable characters was an arcane archer....and all the characters used MP).
First, I would hope that we would get a D&D game for all the consoles, not just the 360. Some of us don't like to gamble when we buy consoles and I don't want to be forced to buy a console that self destructs if I want to play a new D&D game.
As for good D&D games on consoles, Baldur's gate 1 &2 for the playstation 2, D&D heroes for the xbox and demonstone were all good IMO. Turn based games are enjoyed by a minority and for the majority, they're slow and dull, so turn based is probably not the best route to take. Especially if the game would feature multiplayer off or online.
I think it would be very cool to have a standard rpg style (real time) dungeon crawl, with urban areas as well as dungeons and wilderness areas, similar to BG, but with online mulitplayer. I think it would be a lot of fun to have 8 players working together, or have smaller teams working against each other.
I'd rather have a slow paced turn based game for the pc, a machine that can handle large amounts of use at a time, rather than killing my console playing a single, slow game. Consoles need fast paced games worth playing. D&D already has a few strikes against it in the video game world, I'd hope they'd learn from those mistakes.
Turn based D&D games are enjoyed by the majority of D&D players, otherwise I think your DM would have an aneurysm (sorry, i love being a smartass
).However, I get what you mean when it applies to D&D video games. Most people don't play turn based video games anymore. But if you take D&D, strip it of it's sequenced combat system, and amp up the speed, you have to give up a lot of what makes it a tactically deep game. Handling Immediate Actions or Opportunity Attacks would be incredably difficult. You wouldn't be able to choose exactly which square you want your Tide of Iron target to be pushed into, or where everyone will be slid with the Bard's Cunning ability, since both require precise control you wouldn't be able to replicate efficiently.
It's like trying to make a real time version of Chess. It could be done, but i doubt it would feel anything like the original in any way.
BG, IWD, and NWN did it alright, but all of them allowed you to pause the game to give orders, and they didn't include many tactical options that were in the PnP game. The ill-fated Temple of Elemental Evil game was the closest to come to PnP rules, and even that had problems (mostly bugs, but several combat engine problems as well).
Also, i'm apposed to any action rpgs with the D&D brand on it. The only thing that makes DnD different from any other fantasy rpg is the combat and magic system, so when you strip those out and completely redesign it with a real-time system, it's D&D in name only.
I know, I expect alot, but high expectaions yield higher rewards (and usually bigger disappointments).
The closest thing we have right now is Dragon Age: Origins
^ Yeah, and that's not even a decent example of a good D&D-themed game. {sigh}
Now, a D&D video board game would be fun if done right, using all the rules of 4e, mini's and a variety of tiles along with a blank, white battlemap. Add in some graphics for combat and a dungeonmaster campaign builder feature and I'd buy it, as long as you can play online with atleast 6 players and a human DM.
It would also be nice to have a computer DM or a DM-less mode.
Although, I'm a fan of the D&D rpgs on the consoles, so I'd be happy with a BG3 and it wouldn't be impossible to push/pull/slide in those games at all. Aftereffects would be easy, just give a tile selection after an ability has been used, select a tile and push a button. Easy.
I'm more interested in a smooth running and exiting D&D video game than I am in a complete translation of the P&P rules. But with a D&D board game with battle tiles and figs, I'd buy it.
I'd also love a D&D rts game for the pc and ps3. Real time, no turn based and not broken. I still kick myself over buying dragonshard brand new for 60 bucks. I'd also like a fighting game for D&D similar to iron and blood, only better controls and graphics. Drizzt versus Lord Soth or completely custom build characters would be a blast. Also online.
Oh and I must say, the only thing I consider worse than a turn based game is an MMO. MMO's are all about grinding to the end game content and I find that boring.
Now, a D&D video board game would be fun if done right, using all the rules of 4e, mini's and a variety of tiles along with a blank, white battlemap. Add in some graphics for combat and a dungeonmaster campaign builder feature and I'd buy it, as long as you can play online with atleast 6 players and a human DM.
So... MapTools then?
Though it might be more fun if someone could build campaigns for it.
I've always thought that DnD lent itself well to turn based RPGs, especially the tactical ones like Final Fantasy Tactics. I could never understand why they never made an attempt at this (that I'm aware of).
That would be my suggestion.
Well, there were all the Gold Box games, and the Dark Sun games. And the original Neverwinter Nights that ran on AOL.
I'm totally surprised a turn based game based on 4e rules hasn't been released. I mean, the rules are already written, as well as combat design formulas. All it needs is a good campaign arc, which could be ripped straight from Scales of War (tweaked to make sense of course) if they really wanted to be lazy about it.
every time they went with a faster then turn based, it was successful. baldurs gate 1,2 icewind dale 1,2 is considered successful. never winter nights was a huge success.
psp dnd tactics was an utter failure of game, as ws pools of radiance on the pc ( the newer one)
temple of elemental evil was the closest to achiving a sort of sleeper hit prestige but yet again was not a commercial success.
someone mentioned baldurs gate on the xbox and ps2. although named dnd in name only they did achive a modest fanbase.
dnd heroes played much like a gauntlet game and still made more of a financial gain then any tactical version of dnd.
also they streamlined 4.0 for wasting less time for more action, i dont see them making the mistake to going back to a turn based or so called tactical game.
I forgot about Eye of the Beholder, that was a bad game. Why is it that there are so many good D&D PC games but all the ones made for the various consoles are universaly bad?
the two baldur's gate ps2 games were pretty cool. a bit shallow, but fun to play.
I vote yes to the idea of console dnd with fully in depth character building. would be fricken sweet.
a series of them, each one set in a different dnd world.
I forgot about Eye of the Beholder, that was a bad game. Why is it that there are so many good D&D PC games but all the ones made for the various consoles are universaly bad?
Because the consoles are universally bad?
I forgot about Eye of the Beholder, that was a bad game. Why is it that there are so many good D&D PC games but all the ones made for the various consoles are universaly bad?
Because the consoles are universally bad?
Not so much. In a direct comparison to a PC, without any context, they lose, sure. But that's irrelevant. They are made specifically do to certain things, and they do them well. Sitting in a living room in front of a tv playing multiplayer games with your friends who are also in the the room is more elegantly done on a console.
Of course, that won't be true forever. Already, I'd rather have a pc hooked up to my tv, and a good pc speaker system installed, than any other entertainment set up.
I always like the Shadow of Mistara game (which I would love to see on the xbox marketplace) and the xbox Dark Alliance 2 game. Something could be done like that pretty well.
I forgot about Eye of the Beholder, that was a bad game. Why is it that there are so many good D&D PC games but all the ones made for the various consoles are universaly bad?
yeah and none of the pc types arent Great yet some are playable but thats it
should be a perfectly acceptable option. Have the game set up much like Elder Scrolls oblivion, except in a world and creatures we all know and have grown to love over the decades. but please dont skimp on any game to be made spend the time and money to create a great game that includes the whole world and all the heros and creatures and variety of that we al know should be there.
@Joydyhee: That would be awesome for ALL games, not just D&D. Cross-platform gaming is really only being toyed with some games between XBOX and PC. If PS3 and XBOX users could play together, that would e full of win, but unlikely to ever happen.
I'm totally surprised a turn based game based on 4e rules hasn't been released. I mean, the rules are already written, as well as combat design formulas. All it needs is a good campaign arc, which could be ripped straight from Scales of War (tweaked to make sense of course) if they really wanted to be lazy about it.
hehe.. I think WOTC is about as competant at leveraging thier product as the Greek Government was at finance.
The only company that had made put a lot of effort into it was Bioware with its Never Winger Nights line, however, the best or closest game to a PC/Console game that had the tactical aspects of the P&P feel was Temple of Elemental Evil.. I STILL play that one on occasion.. and the PSP D&D tactics is very good too, although the controls are a bit tiresome(no mouse).
In prep mode, the DM can fly around their world, create/modify encounters and NPCs/Monsters, create responses the PCs can get when they talk to NPCs (in addition to real time DM commentary), plant treasures, create traps, and so on. The DM also has map making tools that let them expand the world map as well as build their own dungeons and towns.
They could sell new modules to add to your D&D Live and the DM can download those and then they have new adventure areas and creatures/objects/etc. to use. The modules would be designed to just drag into the world wherever the DM wants them. The modules also are designed to scale to account for the power level and size of the PC group.
On game night, the DM creates his room and invites his players and then everyone signs in. The players explore the dungeon in real time and talk with the DM via voice chat. As they explore the DM can give orders to his monsters or assume the role of any monster and then move through the dungeon with that monster himself just like the characters do. At any time, the DM can step back and let the AI control his monsters using the rules he set up for them in prep mode (I assume each standard monster has a behavior AI that the DM customizes if they want).
Ideally, the system let the DM bring in assistant DMs as well who can run the monsters or talk for the NPCs and so on.
I suppose all of this sounds like the virtual table top and in a way it is but I think that console systems can now support this level of complexity and services like Xbox Live work very well to help coordinate the players.
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Now, a D&D video board game would be fun if done right, using all the rules of 4e, mini's and a variety of tiles along with a blank, white battlemap. Add in some graphics for combat and a dungeonmaster campaign builder feature and I'd buy it, as long as you can play online with atleast 6 players and a human DM.
So... MapTools then?
Though it might be more fun if someone could build campaigns for it.
I don't get the opposition to a turn based game. Magic: Duels of the Planeswalkers was pretty much a direct video game adaptation of playing the card game, and FFS if players could deal with that in turns, even in team multiplayer, then D&D in turns should be a freaking breeze. I for one would like to see a D&D PnP simulation, since that is rare, but we've seen a million and one derivative rpg's done in real time, or psuedo-real time already. FF Tactics was a turn based strategy game, and it was successful. Not everyone has ADD and a speed addiction which requires all games be instant gratification, twitch reflex exercises in order to be at all entertaining. My 2 cents.
you log in and the system found someone that want to delve
each one act in turn and you play against the dungeon
