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| #1gray_richardsonOct 13, 2008 18:45:27 | I have much admired the new elven and dwarven alphabets (rellanic and davek) that were commissioned for the new 4e Players Handbook. I thought I had seen it mentioned somewhere that they had commissioned a draconic script as well, but have not heard hide nor hair of it mentioned in a good long while. This name of the alphabet in the players guide is "lokharic." My web searches have turned up practically no mention of the draconic script. However, in perusing the new Geek Monthly magazine, issue 20 with Greg Kinnear on the cover, I came across an ad for the new Driz'zt novel by R.A.Salvatore The Pirate King on page 3. The ad is a humorous pamphlet in the style of an airline safety card titled "Pirate Safety & Emergency Procedures" which warns what to do in case of a Driz'zt attack on your pirate ship. At the top of the page in the right corner, I noticed the caption "Safety On Board" written in 4 different fonts, including English, rellanic, davek and a 4th, unknown font, which I am assuming is a sample of the yet unrevealed draconic font. It looks pretty cool, kind of a cross between Tibetan and Arabic scripts. The characters appear to be (mostly) connected by a horizontal bar that has hash-like descenders, some straight, some curvy. It also has a few little curly queues and diagonal accent slashes that rise above the horizontal bar. A very attractive font, from what I can discern from the 11 sample letters that I have seen. I am eager to see the whole alphabet. My guess is that it will be revealed in the forthcoming Draconomicon sourcebook. Hopefully they will have a little bit about the draconic language as well. ![]() |
| #2Arcane_GuyverOct 14, 2008 2:39:03 | IIRC, they actually have a full computer font for every script in 4e. I continue to hope they'll release them to the general public (or to DDI subscribers) at some point in the future. ![]() |
| #3mevis_falconhandOct 14, 2008 3:34:51 | That would be very handy for RPG purposes. What I did for my current campaign is to copy the letters from the pdf file into word. As soon as you have each letter copied, it's very quick to write a couple things in "dwarven" or "elven" by copy-paste. |
| #4dunaminOct 14, 2008 3:54:51 | Just thought I'd note that the script is Iokharic, not Lokharic. As in Io, the creator god of dragons (see MM p74). |
| #5pheonixivOct 14, 2008 6:56:47 | Would still be nice to be able to use these fonts though. |
| #6gray_richardsonOct 14, 2008 19:03:35 | My understanding is that they are going to be made available (at some point) as fonts that you can use. At least that is what they said in one of the GenCon blogs (see this link here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=welcome/conventions/gencon07) I don't know when though, I imagine it will be available to DDI subscribers at some point. ![]() |
| #7gray_richardsonOct 16, 2008 0:24:12 | Just thought I'd note that the script is Iokharic, not Lokharic. As in Io, the creator god of dragons (see MM p74). So it is! Good catch! ![]() |
| #8gray_richardsonNov 15, 2008 8:02:02 | Lo and behold! The draconic font is revealed in the art gallery images for the new Draconomicon book. Gallery link here: wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4art/20081114 Image link here: wizards.com/dnd/images/Draconomicon/117680.jpg ![]() |
| #9gray_richardsonNov 15, 2008 8:08:41 | The font creator is Daniel Reeve who did a lot of work for the Lord of the Rings movies. I think he did an excellent job in designing the new D&D scripts. He certainly captured a look and feel for each of the iconic races. Iokharic in particular looks like it could have been easily scratched in stone or on wood with a claw. Very fitting for a race that would more likely use their talons in lieu of a quill pen to inscribe warnings and mark their names around their lairs and such. ![]() |
| #10pheonixivNov 15, 2008 8:16:14 | Now somone needs to fontify it. |
| #11gray_richardsonNov 15, 2008 8:27:05 | For reference, his new elven and dwarven fonts can be found in the gallery for Wizards presents Races & Classes: Races & Classes art gallery link to elven font (Rellanic): wizards.com/dnd/images/RacesNClasses_Gallery/113162.jpg link to dwarven font (Davek): wizards.com/dnd/images/RacesNClasses_Gallery/113163.jpg I like how the elven font looks elegant, lithe and organic, almost "art nouveau" in style. It very much captures the elven spirit: ![]() Dwarven on the other hand looks regal, imperious, and steadfast--exactly the kind of script you would expect to see carved into monuments, above triumphal arches, on tombstones and cenotaphs, and in codices of laws. Davek is superbly suited for a race that works in stone: ![]() |
| www.danielreeve.co.nzgray_richardsonNov 15, 2008 8:44:01 | A little googling revealed the artist has a website with some examples of his work: www.danielreeve.co.nz Sadly, the "font" section of his website is empty at the moment. But there is a lot of nifty art and maps and logos and such to be seen there. I did find a link to a website for the "Dragon War Chronicles". I'm not sure if this is a coming movie, game or novel or what, I haven't really heard of it before. But the cool thing is that there is another nifty script below their logo on this page: http://www.dragonwarchronicles.com/dwcSite/index_main.html that looks pretty cool. I am assuming that Daniel Reeve designed the script for them. Looks influenced slightly by Hindi in style. While not really related to D&D, it is a very nice looking fantasy alphabet. |
| #13nachtsiegerNov 15, 2008 9:05:49 | Wow, the fonts are actually quite nice *_*. I'm especially fond of Dwarven and Draconic. |
| #14pheonixivNov 15, 2008 23:12:46 | Rellanic is used for Deep Speech too, the dark things in the far corners of the Underdark - Gith, Illithid and Kuo-Toa use Rellanic. |
| #15FitzNighteyesNov 15, 2008 23:29:06 | A couple of those look suspiciously like the numbers on a Mahjong set. Link to a pic I googled of 1 through 9 I wonder if that was the inspiration? Regardless, it would make some sense. Brush strokes with a calligraphy paint brush and scratchings with a claw both lend themselves to large single strokes. |
| #16pheonixivNov 15, 2008 23:47:50 | That and the fact that there's only so many different ways to write stuff, so no matter how awesomely original your text is it's bound to look like something somone else has written before. |
| #17gray_richardsonNov 19, 2008 20:20:20 | For reference, the Forgotten Realms already had an elven script that is quite beautiful. It can be found in the 3e Forgotten Realms campaign setting book. The alphabet is called Espruar and it looks like this:![]() |
| #18gray_richardsonNov 19, 2008 20:26:59 | The Forgotten Realms has a dwarven alphabet too called Dethek: |
| #19gray_richardsonNov 19, 2008 20:31:13 | The Forgotten Realms also has an alphabet for the common tongue and other human languages. It is called Thorass and it looks like this:![]() |
| #20pheonixivNov 19, 2008 21:06:54 | Why exactly are you posting this? |
| #21FitzNighteyesNov 19, 2008 22:17:02 | Why exactly are you posting this? He's probably trying to point out the fact that it's wierd that someone reinvented the wheel. Especially since the FR Dwarven Dethek was THE Dungeon's and Dragon's Dwarven script for years, independent of setting. Not sure if that was true for the Elven one too. |
| #22boj0Nov 19, 2008 23:33:25 | Why exactly are you posting this? Because we are all nerds who get our jollies from stuff like this ![]() |
| #23pheonixivNov 20, 2008 3:23:27 | He's probably trying to point out the fact that it's wierd that someone reinvented the wheel. Especially since the FR Dwarven Dethek was THE Dungeon's and Dragon's Dwarven script for years, independent of setting. Not sure if that was true for the Elven one too. Frankly i think the new Davek looks better. Same for the new Rellanic. The characters look more 'individual' and different in the new ones, wheras the old ones, especially that old Elven script, they all look very similar. |
| #24fenrir7139Dec 02, 2008 18:22:57 | I still can't believe no one's made a usable font out of this... I would, but I have absolutely NO idea of how to go about it. |
| #25guest1609218834Feb 19, 2009 15:09:38 | http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-house-rules/245546-iokharic-script-font.html this kid made the font using the pics. unzip it, an save into your font library |
| #26doctorhookFeb 22, 2009 0:15:32 | To be honest, I think the old fonts look like crap compared to these new ones! I am particularly a fan of Davek. |
| #27wizardmonFeb 22, 2009 0:19:59 | To be honest, I think the old fonts look like crap compared to these new ones! I am particularly a fan of Davek. Agreed! |
| #28DragonsWrathFeb 25, 2009 13:02:21 | http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-house-rules/245546-iokharic-script-font.html SWEET! I got bored and did some more poking around. Apparently he also created the dwarven and elven fonts. http://www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-house-rules/246242-rellanic-elven-davek-dwarven-fonts.html :D |
| #29the_badger_02Feb 25, 2009 19:35:26 | So, having these fonts seems awesome to me, but I'm haviing an issue getting it to work. I've got it in my Fonts folder, but I can't use it in Writer. I use Open Office, but I have installed other fonts before and had them work, unfortunately I don't remember what I did then. Anyone got any suggestions? EDIT: It's fixed, all from a simple reboot. |
| #30ArtifactFeb 25, 2009 20:28:04 | I've been waiting for the fonts to be released by Wotc, maybe as part of D&D Insider. No need to wait though: Siberys has done great work on the Iokharic font, as has Guyanthalas on the Davek (4e Dwarven) and Rellanic (4e Elven) fonts. As nice as the fonts look in the books, they look even better as part of player handouts ;). Thanks! Of the six scripts mentioned in the PH, we've got fonts for three. Wonder if we'll see the remaining three? Common doesn't sound too interesting; Barazhad does though and Supernal is an angelic/devilish script, so that's gotta be cool ;). . |
| #31doctorhookFeb 25, 2009 20:46:17 | I've been waiting for the fonts to be released by Wotc, maybe as part of D&D Insider. No need to wait though: Siberys has done great work on the Iokharic font, as has Guyanthalas on the Davek (4e Dwarven) and Rellanic (4e Elven) fonts. Personally, I hope that the "Common" alphabet is just a stylized version of the Latin alphabet. After all, that's the "common" alphabet of the vast majority of D&Ders, right? Why not keep it simple? |
| #32the_badger_02Feb 26, 2009 2:10:04 | I've been waiting for the fonts to be released by Wotc, maybe as part of D&D Insider. No need to wait though: Siberys has done great work on the Iokharic font, as has Guyanthalas on the Davek (4e Dwarven) and Rellanic (4e Elven) fonts. Barazhad! Barazhad seems cooler to me than Supernal, but I want them both, particularly with them having some kind of apparent link. I'm not sure how they would look, I could buy Supernal being very flowy and graceful, with Barazhad being bold and broad strokes. However, I kinda want Barazhad to be twisting and chaotic while Supernal is very smooth and dignified. |
| #33gray_richardsonJun 18, 2009 23:38:37 | So, I was poking around on Daniel Reeve's website here: http://www.danielreeve.co.nz/Newsletters/ And I found that he mentioned this interesting bit in his December 18, 2007 newsletter: "he last few of months have been very busy indeed for me, with the TORn map (which has been such a lovely project to be involved in), work on two movies (The Laundry Warrior and Underworld 3), creating a second set of the Treaty of Waitangi documents for a television documentary, and creating some more Dungeons and Dragons runes and alphabets for Wizards of the Coast. This was one of the projects I hinted at in the last newsletter. I had created three alphabets then – Dwarven, Elven and Dragon – and now I’m working on two more." Well, I assume the last two fonts are probably Barazhad and Supernal. Now, this was a year and a half ago, already, and we haven't seen them pop up in print, yet. But there is a big lead time required for publishing books, over a year or so, so I imagine we will see one soon. My best guess is that we will get to see Barazhad appear in the upcoming release: The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos due out in December 2009. The blurb from WotC reads: "Fiendish dungeons and elemental battlefields await... If so then maybe Supernal will appear in a supplement featuring the Astral Sea sometime in 2010. It would be really nice if D&D insider would make the D&D fonts available for download on the DDI website! If any of you DDI staff see this post, please consider it! |
| #34anubis_reynardJun 19, 2009 0:24:36 | Cool... my gnoll would love to have an abyssal script to write his journals in. |
| #35fenrir7139Jun 23, 2009 13:46:33 | I always thought that this stuff was pretty cool; from the (alleged) "Key of Solomon," which listed a bunch of bad-ass alphabets. |
| #36fey_felineJun 23, 2009 14:18:49 | Where do I save the iokharic to? |
| #37ArtifactJun 23, 2009 14:30:25 | To your 'fonts' folder. Mine is under Settings -> Control Panel -> Fonts. For simplicity, download to your desktop, then copy/paste the file once you've found the right folder; you can erase the original file from the desktop when done. Then, when you next open up a word processing program (like MS Word for instance), the iokharic font should appear in the font window. Select it and you're good to go. Hope that helps ;). |
| #38DragonsWrathJun 23, 2009 15:08:47 | To your 'fonts' folder. Mine is under Settings -> Control Panel -> Fonts. For simplicity, download to your desktop, then copy/paste the file once you've found the right folder; you can erase the original file from the desktop when done. Then, when you next open up a word processing program (like MS Word for instance), the iokharic font should appear in the font window. Select it and you're good to go. Quite Right! Alternately, do a search for "*.ttf" on your computer, then go to the folder most of them appear to lurk. Just make sure you have the "search system folders" option turned ON. This is useful if your fonts are hidden somewhere weird, which I have encountered on occasion. ;) Looking forward to these new fonts mentioned recently. :D |
| #39fey_felineJun 23, 2009 23:33:09 | Quite Right! It tells me the file is in use, shows a little bar sayng installing Iokharic, it loads to 100%, the pp-up vanishes, and then... nothing. No instalation, it doesn't go into the folder, nothing. |
| #40undraveJun 23, 2009 23:59:32 | A couple of those look suspiciously like the numbers on a Mahjong set. huh... those aren't just in Mah-jong. They're the chinese numbers ![]() Well the five looks different from what I'm used to, what with that 'person' radical added there and the seven and four are slightly off too. I mean there's a mouth in the four! I figure these must be a more ancient style. |
| #41anubis_reynardJun 24, 2009 3:38:34 | huh... those aren't just in Mah-jong. They're the chinese numbers Well, the chineese had those Imperial Dragons... it would be perfectly reasonable if they wrote in Draconic fonts. |
| #42DragonsWrathJun 26, 2009 22:56:23 | It tells me the file is in use, shows a little bar sayng installing Iokharic, it loads to 100%, the pp-up vanishes, and then... nothing. No instalation, it doesn't go into the folder, nothing. I... don't know what would cause that. Do you have access rights to the folder? Did the file simply jump to the bottom of the list instead of where you moved it to? Did you restart your computer? (rule #1 about fixing things) |
| #43darth_azalinJun 27, 2009 3:37:16 | Where do I save the iokharic to? In XP (that is Home, Professional, or x64) Best way use Windows Explorer mouse over to the start and right click Explore all users Find your Hard Drive and the Windows folder it will have a + to the left. click it and open the folder look down to you see Fonts just drag and drop it in there Now here is the caveat that I tell everyone that goes and purchases the 1000 fonts cds. Having a ton of fonts you will never or hardly ever use does slow the loading of your computer. Since it will load EVER single one. So if you don't plan on using it often (talking to those with the 1000 fonts and such) just put it in the directory use it and move it to the desktop in a folder called fonts. When you need to use it again just repeat. I still have my Star Trek and Star Wars one in my fonts folder. |
| #44darth_azalinJun 27, 2009 3:39:21 | It tells me the file is in use, shows a little bar sayng installing Iokharic, it loads to 100%, the pp-up vanishes, and then... nothing. No instalation, it doesn't go into the folder, nothing. I would open Word or any other document production software that uses fonts and you will see it as an option to use. Well with Iokharic it is just symbols so unless you have a lot of fonts you might want to rename it. |
| #45gray_richardsonNov 28, 2009 11:47:40 | So The Plane Below: Secrets of the Elemental Chaos is coming out on December 15th. And, while I am very stoked about this book in general, the thing I find myself most eagerly anticipating is to see if it has the Barazhad alphabet inside. (Must confess that I am a total geek for writing systems.) While there has been nothing from WotC to suggest it is actually in there, I note that Daniel Reeves (creator of the Rellanic, Iokharic, and Davek scripts) has said on his website that he was commissioned to create 2 more scripts for WotC, and he said this around a year ago. He never said what those alphabets were, but I am hoping one was Barazhad. I note also that the Draconic script was revealed in the first Draconomicon book. So I can't think of any better book in which to reveal the Barazhad script than The Plane Below. I assume also that the last remaining script is Supernal, which I imagine will find its way into an as yet unannounced "Plane Above" sourcebook to be released at a future date. I wonder what this script will look like? Sinister and demonic? Or simple and basic and blocky? In my head I picture something medieval and Gothic, like a cross between Klingon and Blackletter. But then again, it is an old script, primordial, elemental; so it might instead look very simple, composed of rudimentary shapes--the basic "elements" of written characters. Dwarves and dragons have ties to the primordials, so maybe their scripts evolved out of Barazhad. Perhaps if you extrapolate backwards from those two alphabets, Barazhad might look like something they could have both developed out of. So hopefully it's in there. Only 2 more weeks to go before we find out! I will be terribly disappointed if it's not. |
| #46DragonsWrathNov 28, 2009 19:38:55 | Interesting, and good to know.(creator of the Rellanic, Iokharic, and Davek scripts) What's Rellanic? I'm not near my book right now, but if it isn't elven, I'd like to find a font for it. ![]() |
| #47gray_richardsonNov 29, 2009 23:10:24 | "Rellanic" is the name of the 4e elven font designed by Daniel Reeve. See post #11 in this thread for an image and more info. |
| #48gray_richardsonDec 17, 2009 1:25:43 | So Plane Below came out today. I got my copy, and on top of it being just an all around swell book (some really great stuff in there!), I was also super pleased to find on page 53 the Barazhad script of the Primordial language. It looks pretty darn neat. It does indeed look like something that both the Draconic alphabet (iokharic script) and the Dwarven alphabet (Davek script) could have evolved out of; I see a few elements that suggest an ancestry between the scripts. It looks primal, jagged, ominous, and a little wild and unrefined--exactly appropriate to the Elemental Chaos. It is also evokes a sense of restrained might with a tinge of danger mixed in. It has the feel of black letter or a gothic style font. I definitely like this script. It seems a natural fit for use by demons and elementals. It's just what you would expect to see scrawled in blood on an abyssal parchment, or carved into the mausoleum of a djinni caliph. The wait was worth it. Daniel Reeve did another fine job crafting the Barazhad script, and I am so very pleased to finally get to see it! Now if only WotC would please, please, please make these fonts available to DDI subscribers so we could make maps and prop documents with them for our campaigns, that would make for a very nice Christmas indeed! |
| #49The_SilverswordDec 17, 2009 1:54:51 | So Plane Below came out today. I got my copy, and on top of it being just an all around swell book (some really great stuff in there!), I was also super pleased to find on page 53 the Barazhad script of the Primordial language. Awesome! I was hopin that script would be in there. Im definitely going to have to get me a copy of that book. Aside from just being interested in the planes of D&D, im also interested in the languages, so this book definitely sounds like a win win. Now if only WotC would please, please, please make these fonts available to DDI subscribers so we could make maps and prop documents with them for our campaigns, that would make for a very nice Christmas indeed! That would be very cool if they did that, and for all the other fonts too. If nothing else hopefully someone with some font making software will scan it in and fontify it and share it with the rest of us. |
| #50gray_richardsonDec 17, 2009 8:08:16 | It is my plan, after Christmas expenses are taken care of, to buy some font software in January. I have been checking prices and comparing different programs. I am very interested in trying my hand at making fonts. I would like to maybe take Draconic and make some variants of it, maybe a hand scrawled version, and then maybe a couple of illuminated and caligraphic versions, such as they might use in Thay, or as you might see in scrolls or magic tomes. Maybe something that looks like a stone-cut version for use on monuments or tablets. I can see also playing with a few different styles of Barazhad as well. And elven too. Plus, I have a couple of writing systems of my own I created, and would like to see if I could make a font out of them. Not sure how hard it will be or if I will pull it off, but it would definitely be fun to try. |
| #51The_SilverswordDec 17, 2009 9:40:15 | It is my plan, after Christmas expenses are taken care of, to buy some font software in January. I have been checking prices and comparing different programs. I am very interested in trying my hand at making fonts. I would like to maybe take Draconic and make some variants of it, maybe a hand scrawled version, and then maybe a couple of illuminated and caligraphic versions, such as they might use in Thay, or as you might see in scrolls or magic tomes. Maybe something that looks like a stone-cut version for use on monuments or tablets. I can see also playing with a few different styles of Barazhad as well. And elven too. Sounds interesting, looking foward to it! |
| #52gray_richardsonJan 21, 2010 22:07:49 | Just saw that Wizards is indeed releasing a sourcebook called The Plane Above in April 2010. www.wizards.com/DnD/Product.aspx?x=dnd/p... Per Amazon the release date is April 20th. Looks like this book will probably have the mysterious Supernal Alphabet inside. This is the last of the D&D fonts that they had commissioned (as far as I can tell). The Supernal script will probably look very nifty. I imagine it will appeared dignified and regal, yet flowing. Perhaps like Burmese, Javanese, Thai or Sinhala. Or maybe more akin to Georgian Mkehdruli. Tibetan or Bengali are a nice model, but they look a little too similar to the Draconic font, so I imagine Supernal will look very different from that. Probably more curvy than angular so as to contrast with Primordial and Draconic. If they were going for a more alchemical look, they might go for something like Sabaean or Glagolitic. Whatever the design I am really looking forward to seeing what it is. Guess we will find out in 3 months! |
| #53gray_richardsonApr 15, 2010 3:01:33 | What the hell?!?! Got my copy of The Plane Above today, and there is no Supernal Alphabet inside!!! I searched through it twice, and couldn't find it anywhere! (Tell me if I'm wrong, please!) I mean, this was the companion book to The Plane Below, which did include the Primordial Alphabet. So the Supernal alphabet should have been in this one, right? There's even a sidebar about Supernal writing on page 98, but no picture of the alphabet! Seems like this would have been the perfect place to put the art for it. Even looks like it was intended to go there... Was it an editing oversight? Did they just forget? Did the Art Director mess up? I think the Art director might have dropped the ball. I cannot tell you how disappointed I was with this omission! I have been waiting months and months and months for Wizards to release the final font they commissioned for the Supernal alphabet. I have no idea what other product they could have intended this for. I can only assume the Art Director just had an epic fail. Or maybe there was a rights issue or something. I cannot fathom. The other thing is, the chapter headings have a draconic glyph at the start of each page. What the heck were they thinking! They should have used the Supernal characters to start the chapter headings! I mean, sure, the Draconic characters looked great in the Draconomicon and other books they have done that way, and I am sure the art department was just continuing the theme, like they were on autopilot. But seriously, they commissioned a whole alphabet for the celestials and the inhabitants of the Astral Plane, and they have been sitting on it for a couple of years! This was the ideal time to unveil it! And wouldn't it make sense to use it as the an art element in the chapter headings instead of the Draconic alphabet characters? Just sloppy, lazy, thoughtless editing in my opinion! I mean, there looks like there is some nice stuff in the book, don't get me wrong. The Supernal script was not the only reason I was buying the book. But it WAS a major reason, and I am just sorely disappointed in the editor and art director for so colossally missing the boat on this one! Lost opportunity! Angry, upset customer! Not to denigrate the rest of the book, because I can console myself with some of the other excellent stuff that does appear to lie within. Maybe when I cool off I will appreciate it better. But I am just so boiling mad about them yanking my chain for a couple of years with the Supernal script and then it not being the book. Jeeze! It's going to be hard for me to let that one go. ![]() |
| #54teamfireyleaderAug 25, 2010 18:20:53 | Does anyone know if the Barazhad script ever made it to font form? Or if Supernal got released even as a picture? |
| #55suisyoMar 14, 2011 0:55:20 | I know this is an old topic and I'm not sure if you have already seen this but I was recently looking for the fonts and found this... www.enworld.org/forum/4e-fan-creations-h... You'll need a free account if you dont already have one but if you scroll down there is a link for the Barazhad font. I havent tried it yet, just downloaded it myself, but I hope it turns out to be useful. I haven't heard about Supernal, but I plan to look into it now and if anyone else has heard anything about it recently please update. ^-^ |
| #56gray_richardsonDec 23, 2011 22:45:53 | I still wish they would release the Supernal alphabet. Not sure why they are sitting on it. My suggestion: do a font pack of all the 4e commissioned fonts as part of the resources available to the website subscribers. They could include the unreleased Supernal as part of the font pack. |
| #57gray_richardsonDec 23, 2011 22:50:46 | Or, if they are working on a new Book of Exalted Deeds, that might also be the perfect place to publish the unreleased Supernal Alphabet. |