"Draconomicon I: Chromatic Dragons describes several varieties of dragons, including red, blue, green, black, and white dragons, as well as three completely new chromatic dragons."
So, what do you think are the new types of dragon.
I'll say Yellow for deserts, Cyan for sea... and possibly rainbow (ugh)
I'd like to see a pink dragon with laughing gas as a breath weapon. ;)
The acid breathing, desert dwelling brown dragons. pic
The explosive oil spitting, forest dwelling orange dragons.
The radiant light breathing, plains dewlling purple dragons.
The salt water breathing, sea dwelling yellow dragons.
You forced me to open my old 2nd ed MM.
Blue dragon was one hell of beast! :-)
Well it was stated somewhere that it would be yellow, brown, and purple dragons.
It was established quite some time ago that the new dragons will be grey, brown and purple.
I believe the grey dragon is featured on the cover:
Seeing as I believe the line that Amazon gave about "completely new" chromatics is total BS (or at the very least, only true from a certain point of view... i.e. as a core dragon type), I think we should look at older, obscure, chromatic dragons that have existed in the past...
Also, for the record, Amazon's just quoting WotC's catalog. WotC are the ones saying there will be three *new* dragons in the book. Whether or not they're really new remains to be seen.
It was established quite some time ago that the new dragons will be grey, brown and purple.
I believe the grey dragon is featured on the cover:
Also, for the record, Amazon's just quoting WotC's catalog. WotC are the ones saying there will be three *new* dragons in the book. Whether or not they're really new remains to be seen.
adamantium or its a white dragon
adamantium or its a white dragon
This book is only for the chromatics, and the adamantine dragon is a metallic, so it's not that ... and it's definitely not a white dragon either. That's not what white dragons look like.
As I said, it has been established already that the new dragons are brown, grey and purple. The dragon on the cover looks pretty grey to me.
Is there any chance we'll see dragons as playable races in this book? One of my friends mentioned a "Council of Worms" game and it got me wondering on the subject.
I would not count on it because dragons seem to a bit overpowered compared to the other PHB races and as there is no level adjustment mechanic(for the benefit of us all), I really don't see anyway that they could dilute a dragon down to the appropriate power level without basically just making them dragonborn.
This book is only for the chromatics, and the adamantine dragon is a metallic, so it's not that ... and it's definitely not a white dragon either. That's not what white dragons look like.
As I said, it has been established already that the new dragons are brown, grey and purple. The dragon on the cover looks pretty grey to me.
I don't suppose you have a link on where this was confirmed? I seem to recall it, but I can't find the original source and would like to link to that in my compilation topic.
This book is only for the chromatics, and the adamantine dragon is a metallic, so it's not that ... and it's definitely not a white dragon either. That's not what white dragons look like.
As I said, it has been established already that the new dragons are brown, grey and purple. The dragon on the cover looks pretty grey to me.
It looks like a brown dragon in blue lighting to me. /shrug
I think a full-fledged dragon as a playable race would be overpowered except in campaigns where everyone is a dragon or a creature of equally viable power.
It looks like a brown dragon in blue lighting to me. /shrug
But weren't brown dragons wingless?
But weren't brown dragons wingless?
And angels weren't faceless. Much has changed with 4th edition. ;)
Anyway, I'm not trying to suggest it actually is a brown dragon, I'm just saying that's the color it looks like to me.
It would make sense though, if brown is indeed a chromatic dragon this time around. IIRC, brown "dragons" weren't "true" dragons in the past, but if they are being included in this book, particularly with its subtitle, it'd make sense that they get wings and everything else just like all the other dragons.
I don't suppose you have a link on where this was confirmed? I seem to recall it, but I can't find the original source and would like to link to that in my compilation topic.
It was confirmed in one of WotC's recent catalogs. I read about it on EN World (The store owner who posts as thalmin over there is the one who always posts info from WotC catalogs).
EDIT: Here's the excerpt from the WotC Fall Catalog:
Draconomicon: Chromatic Dragons November 18th 288 pages, $39.95 "...details of each dragon's powers, tactics, myths, lairs, servitors, and more." Side Bar 3 New Chromatic Dragons: Brown, Purple and Grey
Personally, I think those are very boring colors but whatever ... Brown? Could be ok. Purple? Too Barney. Grey? They kicked the brass and bronze dragons out of the "top ten" because they felt they were too hard to tell apart. So what do we get instead? Two new dragons that are just as hard to tell apart (both the adamantine and iron dragons are grey, if their minis are anything to go by). On top of that, now we're getting an actual grey dragon. So we're still going to have the problem of hard-to-distinguish dragons ...
there *may* be links with Dragonborns...
Indeed. We might see a feat that gives dragonborn wings in the book.
Indeed. We might see a feat that gives dragonborn wings in the book.
That would go against some of their stated goals(keeping players from having to haul around 20 books to the table for all of their characters feats and such), so I doubt that they would do that so early into the game's life cycle.
That would go against some of their stated goals(keeping players from having to haul around 20 books to the table for all of their characters feats and such), so I doubt that they would do that so early into the game's life cycle.
That's true. It's more likely to be in the PHB2. But it's possible there could be some options to make dragonborn more dragon-like in the Draconomicon books.
Greys are creatures that enjoy the solitude and isolation of mist and fog. They fly and live within rolling banks of fog that crisscross the lands. They are hardly ever seen but their devastation is easily visible as the fog moves away; leaving behind destroyed towns, broken people and all different manners of carnage. Most people will only see the barest glimpse of one, be it a shadow within the fog or a head rearing its head out of the fog bank to snatch a meal.
Browns are some of the earliest of dragons and the most feral. Their hard scaled bodies hide a basic and animalistic-mind, they are viewed as beasts even amongst other dragons only caring about mating, eating and hoarding. They have no language and live in packs similar to wolf packs using physical strength and aggression to determine ranks.
the speculations:
if its like the 3.x version its wingless and digs and is flightless.
iron dragon: no knowledge of any concrete info, nothing i could speculate either.
save its breath is likely to be paralyzing and that is based off the iron golem of old, which reminds me......
still looks like its a white dragon and the light source is a bit off.
furthermore the terrain looks like ice with a ruined ship in the back.
iron dragon: no knowledge of any concrete info, nothing i could speculate either.
All we know about the iron dragon is that it's supposed to be the metallic version of the white dragon ("a not-too-bright, savage killer", according to W&M). It was a fairly contentious issue early on because the designers were taking so-called "needless symmetry" out of the game with one hand (changing devils and demons so they don't mirror each other so much, getting rid of identical monsters for each base element) and putting it back in with the other (turning archons into the identical monster for each base element, making the metallic and chromatic dragon families mirror each other more).
We also know what the iron dragon looks like thanks to the upcoming mini:
still looks like its a white dragon and the light source is a bit off.
furthermore the terrain looks like ice with a ruined ship in the back.
I didn't think so at first but you could have a point. The dragon's head looks wrong but it's a head-on angle so that could be why. Here is the latest white dragon mini and the book cover for comparison:
The main similarity that I can see is the overlapping plates on the wings where they meet the dragon's shoulders. That and the fact that the dragon's mouth is glowing blue, which is usually associated with cold ...
So you could very well be right.
BTW, W&M claims that the adamantine and iron dragons will be easily distinguished by color (as opposed to the brass and bronze dragons), but if you ask me, between white, grey, adamantine, iron, and silver, I think they've actually made distinguishing them by color worse rather than better. They'll have to be distinguished by shape instead (for instance, the adamantine dragon has an ankylosaurus-style spikey mace on the end of its tail).
its white and not a horned iron dragon
and i think this was the adamantium dragon since it has the barbed tail that you mentioned
http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4art/20080219a
And that dragon on the cover is obviously a white. The glowing blue eyes, the shoulder scales, the head crest, the size and placing of cheek and chin spikes and the lack of horns are all there.
the fin is noticeable on the head too.......
its white and not a horned iron dragon
I never suggested it was. What I was complaining about was the fact that there are now four greyish dragons (iron, adamantine, silver, and grey) ... which is worse than having two browny dragons (brass and bronze).
and i think this was the adamantium dragon since it has the barbed tail that you mentioned
Yes, that's the adamantine dragon.
Ranadiel
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Is there any chance we'll see dragons as playable races in this book? One of my friends mentioned a "Council of Worms" game and it got me wondering on the subject.
I would not count on it because dragons seem to a bit overpowered compared to the other PHB races and as there is no level adjustment mechanic(for the benefit of us all), I really don't see anyway that they could dilute a dragon down to the appropriate power level without basically just making them dragonborn.
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This book is only for the chromatics, and the adamantine dragon is a metallic, so it's not that ... and it's definitely not a white dragon either. That's not what white dragons look like.
As I said, it has been established already that the new dragons are brown, grey and purple. The dragon on the cover looks pretty grey to me.
I don't suppose you have a link on where this was confirmed? I seem to recall it, but I can't find the original source and would like to link to that in my compilation topic.
Check the subTitle on the picture it says Chromatic Dragons
Ok, ummm Check the
Check the subTitle on the picture it says Chromatic Dragons
Why did you quote me? I don't really see any correlation between what you quoted and your response to said quote.Also, as another poster mentioned, Adamantine Dragons are more black- than grey-coloured, though shinier than Black Dragons and with very different features. There won't be any confusion here.
BTW, W&M claims that the adamantine and iron dragons will be easily distinguished by color (as opposed to the brass and bronze dragons), but if you ask me, between white, grey, adamantine, iron, and silver, I think they've actually made distinguishing them by color worse rather than better. They'll have to be distinguished by shape instead (for instance, the adamantine dragon has an ankylosaurus-style spikey mace on the end of its tail).
I never suggested it was. What I was complaining about was the fact that there are now four greyish dragons (iron, adamantine, silver, and grey) ... which is worse than having two browny dragons (brass and bronze).
I have the Adamantite Dragon mini, and when I first opened the box and saw a BLACK dragon, I went 'cool! a black dragon!'.
It's only when I opened the plastic wrapped and took a closer look that I noticed he didn't have the 'skull face'... and the card clearly indentified him as a Young Adamantite Dragon.
So he's definitly not Gray. He's black.
Other thing to notice:
- He is a level 7 solo elite.
- Adamantite Dragon's Breath does Thunder Damage and impose a -2 to all attack (save ends) penalty (or it could be -2 to Defense, I'm going from memory here).
- He has a Claw attack and a bite attack listed. His 'special' move is a double claw attack (no three hit combo for him unlike White and Blue dragons)
- When using his Breath Weapon and not bloodied, he has an automatic Burst 3 (I think) thunder damage effect.
- The young adamantite dragon doesn't have any special 'tail ability', which doesn't mean older dragons of this subtype won't get one.
I can post more info once I'm home and I get my card.
Someone mentionned having the Iron Dragon mini... care to share any info? :P
I have the Adamantite Dragon mini, and when I first opened the box and saw a BLACK dragon, I went 'cool! a black dragon!'.
It's only when I opened the plastic wrapped and took a closer look that I noticed he didn't have the 'skull face'... and the card clearly indentified him as a Young Adamantite Dragon.
So he's definitly not Gray. He's black.
Other thing to notice:
- He is a level 7 solo elite.
- Adamantite Dragon's Breath does Thunder Damage and impose a -2 to all attack (save ends) penalty (or it could be -2 to Defense, I'm going from memory here).
- He has a Claw attack and a bite attack listed. His 'special' move is a double claw attack (no three hit combo for him unlike White and Blue dragons)
- When using his Breath Weapon and not bloodied, he has an automatic Burst 3 (I think) thunder damage effect.
- The young adamantite dragon doesn't have any special 'tail ability', which doesn't mean older dragons of this subtype won't get one.
I can post more info once I'm home and I get my card.
Someone mentionned having the Iron Dragon mini... care to share any info? :P
Adamantine Dragon is a Solo Soldier. :P Also, I imagine that stat block to be very preliminary compared to what will appear in MM2. Perhaps it's just an isolated error, but for example, the Max HP listed on the card is off by about 200 points. (It says 133/66, but it should say 332/166, assuming its Constitution is correct. FWIW, MM1's Young Red Dragon is also a level 7 Solo Soldier, and has 332/166 HP.)