or do they not plan on releasing this book at all for the 4th?
looking for answers...
Forgotten Realms is this year, Eberron is 2009. So 2010 is the earliest for Dragonlance, but it's not even close to a given at this point.
I'm sure it will be around eventually. It's too important a setting. However, the current buzz is there will be one campaign setting a year, supported by two books (one setting info, one player's info), and an adventure.
Forgotten Realms is this year, Eberron is 2009. So 2010 is the earliest for Dragonlance, but it's not even close to a given at this point.
Dragonlance died to me when the 5th Age came about.
I think Dark Sun and Ravenloft would be more important, as Dragonlance is really just another Forgotten Realms with a different mold as far as I am concerned these days. I think shooting for a unique setting design would work wonders, namely Dungeons and Dragons has not had official horror rules since I believe the last Ravenloft official Ravenloft module released was in 1997 or 98 before the onset of 3rd edition, and nothing was printed for 3rd edition (no I do not consider that abomination by White Wolf to be Ravenloft).
Dark Sun setting provides something different from your typical sword and sorcery game all together. You live in a post apocalyptic world where the people did not learn to control themselves, and a world where the inhabitants are mutated to the point they have limited psionic control. The world is so tough they have to start at a higher level, and the typical ability system was gone, losing the silly 18/00 system that was prevailant throughout most of Advanced first and seconds life.
These are the two settings I would love to see first. We have enough fantasy settings of retreads going on, we need other flavors first I think.
Here's why:We know that WotC cross markets everything, well the last set of Dragonlance novels "The Lost Chronicles" never got to the third book. They published two of the three books and cancelled the third. Also, there are rumors that Weis and Hickman didn't even have a contract with WotC for anything past that third book. Since the have no plans for future novels, why would the work on a campaign setting? It just doesn't fit with their business model.
Don't get me wrong, I love Dragonlance and would hate to see it go, so if anyone has some hard info to refute my thought process on this I'd be happy to hear it.
Another poster on the same thread I posted on (titled Which realms would you like to see in 2010,2011 and so on) Had some interesting thoughts on what would come after Eberron. Apparently, there is a whole new Ravenloft novel series planned for late 09 early 2010. Combine that with my thoughts on WotC's cross marketing scheme. Plus, the fact that Ravenloft was one of, if not the highest grossing campaign setting in 2nd edition. What you have is a lot of really good, albeit circumstantial evidence that Ravenloft will be the campaign setting coming out in 2010.
Of course, for all I know, it could be Spelljammer(WARNING: WotC that was a joke not a suggestion) The point being, I've been wrong before, and it will happen again...so who knows?
I wouldn't be suprised is Soverign Press (the guys that did 3.5 Dragonlance) joined up with Pathfinder. I just don't see how Dragonlance could easily fit into the 4th Ed mold.
It would fit quite easily, a lot easier than it did in te 3rd and 3.5 molds. The problem is, Dragonlance star burnt out long ago, it was a big thing in first edition I give it that, but by the time second edition rolled around and halfway through that, Dragonlance had dwindled down from an actual campaign setting. Then the 5th Age came.
I don't think the interest in Dragonlance as a D&D setting is strong anymore. It was great in it's time, but today I know I am not interested in it being revitallized. All the stories have been told, and like Forgotten Realms, ended up shuffling player characters to the back seat in favor of signature names and characters. But, unlike Forgotten Realms, I don't think you can divorce that from a Dragonlance campaign and keep it interesting for players.
I wouldn't be suprised is Soverign Press (the guys that did 3.5 Dragonlance) joined up with Pathfinder. I just don't see how Dragonlance could easily fit into the 4th Ed mold.
I think DL could fit fine. Consequently, I like the newer Dragonlance stuff just as much as the older stuff.
I wouldn't be suprised is Soverign Press (the guys that did 3.5 Dragonlance) joined up with Pathfinder. I just don't see how Dragonlance could easily fit into the 4th Ed mold.
It would be a Cataclysm like none before and worse than the FR retcon to make DL for 4th. Moons altering the way powers work?
I don't think DL will ever be seen again after the license was taken from Margaret. Like Tasslehoff, DragonLance was crushed under the foot of Chaos. :P
It would be a Cataclysm like none before and worse than the FR retcon to make DL for 4th. Moons altering the way powers work?
I don't think DL will ever be seen again after the license was taken from Margaret. Like Tasslehoff, DragonLance was crushed under the foot of Chaos. :P
You mean the Cataclysm and travesty that it became in 3rd edition?
Frankly, if WotC doesn't want to publish the setting, they should give control of the setting to Weis and Hickman. Yes, it was created by commision for TSR and the rights went to WotC when they bought them out, but it's still Weis & Hickmans creation, and if they aren't going to use it, why do they have to sit on it?
Ah well, greed is as greed does...
More to the point, the 3.X version of Dragonlance was published by a gaming company that Weis started herself, so that she could publish it after WotC refused to do a new version. Then she had to license her own work from them to publish it...
Frankly, if WotC doesn't want to publish the setting, they should give control of the setting to Weis and Hickman. Yes, it was created by commision for TSR and the rights went to WotC when they bought them out, but it's still Weis & Hickmans creation, and if they aren't going to use it, why do they have to sit on it?
Ah well, greed is as greed does...
I doubt it has to do with greed, but the simple fact that I don't think DragonLance is as popular as it use to be. It was obvious that DragonLance popularity had dwindled during the era of 2nd edition. Fewer and fewer modules were being put out for DragonLance versus every other setting. But then agian, the entire story of DragonLance and Krynn had already been told. The results of what came after were just an attempt to spark a fire in something that had nothing left honestly.
DragonLance could have gone just as far as the Realms, but TSR held it back like other settings.
It would be nteresting to see a developed setting with minimal fluff but some kind of history without a novel so that the gamers make any story and don't feel they have to uphold any future or past events in the setting, but that is a different story.
Dragonlance died to me when the 5th Age came about.
Then, the cartoon stomped the corpse. I found myself unable to reread the Chronicles Trilogy after that. And, yes, I mean the trilogy. I thought Summer Flame to be absolutely abysmal.
I doubt it has to do with greed, but the simple fact that I don't think DragonLance is as popular as it use to be. It was obvious that DragonLance popularity had dwindled during the era of 2nd edition. Fewer and fewer modules were being put out for DragonLance versus every other setting. But then agian, the entire story of DragonLance and Krynn had already been told. The results of what came after were just an attempt to spark a fire in something that had nothing left honestly.
You obviously have never visited the Dragonlance forums. (Not on WotC's site.)
Dragonlance has fans. A lot of them. And they'd walk over hot coals for the setting.
You can't simply dismiss a setting as unpopular, or somehow lacking substance. I feel settings like Planescape or Ravenloft are silly and useless. I'd never play them. That doesn't mean they aren't viable for others though. That's part of the beauty of multiple settings. There's something for everyone.
Dragonlance has fans. A lot of them. And they'd walk over hot coals for the setting.
You can't simply dismiss a setting as unpopular, or somehow lacking substance. I feel settings like Planescape or Ravenloft are silly and useless. I'd never play them. That doesn't mean they aren't viable for others though. That's part of the beauty of multiple settings. There's something for everyone.
I'd definately have to agree. I think the campaign setting I'd most like to see back would be Spelljammer, but done as an addition to the core rules. Then each crystal sphere could be detailed in the campaign setting it belongs to (or in Dragon.)
As far as Dragonlance goes, I would absolutely love to see it return. I want Kender back as a playable race (and not just as halflings by another name as someone suggested in another thread) alongwith the tinker gnomes.
I'd like to see the setting's past events summed up (a la Grand History of the Realms,) then have the 4e campaign setting continue on from there.
Aside from Spelljammer (first and foremost) and Dragonlance, I would absolutely love to see the return of Al-Quadim, Kara-Tur, and Maztica (as extensions of the Realms, like they were originally intended) and Ravenloft in all of its demiplane Domain of Dread goodness.
You have goblinoids building a civilized culture, you have two powerful and intelligent leaders of minotuars and ogres building their empires, and breaking their old status quo's. I think it's really neat.
I mean really think about the potential for minotuars, ogres and goblinoids to become base races, in a setting where they are carving a strong niche for themselves. The idea makes me giddy. Where I won't have to worry about DM's saying no because I don't want to play a base pretty race.
Now it's Dragons ruling Krynn.
Hmm yeah. You've been out of the loop for 5+ years I guess...
War of Souls, gods returned, 3 out of 5 of the dragon overlords kicked the bucket (and I believe a 4th is supposed to be killed as part of the adventure path they released at Sovereign Press).
Dragonlance is (was?) in a Renaissance. The Minotaur Empire trilogy and the new book about the ogre lands, as well as the Solamnic trilogy and the one about the elves in Khur, all of these were top notch novels. Golgren is pretty much the coolest character they've come up with for this setting in, like, forever.
Hmm yeah. You've been out of the loop for 5+ years I guess...
War of Souls, gods returned, 3 out of 5 of the dragon overlords kicked the bucket (and I believe a 4th is supposed to be killed as part of the adventure path they released at Sovereign Press).
Dragonlance is (was?) in a Renaissance. The Minotaur Empire trilogy and the new book about the ogre lands, as well as the Solamnic trilogy and the one about the elves in Khur, all of these were top notch novels. Golgren is pretty much the coolest character they've come up with for this setting in, like, forever.
I like Faros just as much as Golgren, I think they make great enemies and awesome leaders for their respective peoples. I just hope the rest of the ogre Titans get killed off, they're lame. There's also a trilogy about escaped goblin slaves in the process of trying to build a real civilization looking for peace rather than hatred, conquest and slavery. The book quality isn't as good, but it has interesting implications.