No wilden unless I missed it. There is indeed a supporting cast section, which talks about Genasi, Gnolls, Goblins, Kobolds, Minotaurs and Orcs.
If Gnolls are in along with Minotaurs and Gith I will love that book forever.
My thoughts exactly. I generally just borrow friend's copies of the books, whether it be PH, DMG, MM, AP, etc. If the PH3 has Gnolls (:D), Minotaur and Gith (we know these two already), I would buy this book for myself no questions asked. Kobolds, Orcs and Goblins would just be icing to finish off the cake.
The arrival of the Monk and [balanced] Psionics will be celebrated as well! (and I thought I was excited about the PH2).
We know that the Minotaurs are going to be in PHBIII, so it seems the possibility of other PHBIII races being in that list exists. So I now put forth the question to the masses, which of these races do you think will make it into the PHBIII?!?
I'd say its a rather small chance and could be closer to coincidence.
Gnolls were probably mentioned because they're in a Dragon article. Goblins and Orcs had to get mentioned because they're rather prominent in 3.5e Eberron. Earlier this week we got told kobolds are too powerful so we shouldn't expect to see versions of them in Dragon anytime soon.
Personally I'd have expected mention on Githzerai and how they fit into Eberron if we were going to get clues as to what was in the PHB3 in the EPG. We know for a fact a gith race (if not both) is in PHB3. How Githzerai fit into Eberron is dead easy (even easier then genasi) so I find their absence telling.
The other reason being that the only reason Goblins, Orcs, and Kobolds were mentioned at all is because they're relatively important to Eberron. After all, Orcs and the Goblinoids were mentioned in the FRPG's supporting cast section, and they didn't make it to the PHB2 or EPG, did they?
That, and I'm anti-including a small race just to fill some quota. Halflings and Gnomes were in the first two PHBs because they're important/traditional/crazy fanboys would burn down WotC if they weren't in. If WotC can come up with a good hook for another small race, sure add it in. But don't do it just because of some ridiculous notion that every PHB has to have a small race.
Source: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4ex/20090612
They existed in 3.5 Eberron, were made reference to the thing is no one knew why they existed. Some were born of human parents who conceived, gave birth, or lived within a manifest zone of a plane too long. Some were born when a certain plane was coterminous. But not all children conceived/born during these extraplanar alignments are genasi and sometimes they were born when no connection to any sort of plane could be detected.
Genasi were a magical anomoly that seemed to have some correlation to the cycle of the planes, but no hard and fast causes could be determined, they were just 'one of those things that happen' in a magical world.
Oddly enough, I didn't see anything on how Drow fit into Eberron though. Considering that I wasn't in 3.xE long enough to try Eberron... All I know is that they live in jungles in Xen'drik and that they probably fight Yuan-Ti a lot.
Gnolls are in the Eberron Supporting Cast page. They mention that there's some kind of Gnoll Nation too!
Oddly enough, I didn't see anything on how Drow fit into Eberron though. Considering that I wasn't in 3.xE long enough to try Eberron... All I know is that they live in jungles in Xen'drik and that they probably fight Yuan-Ti a lot.
The neutral Gnoll tribes are the peacekeeper and law enforcement of the monstrous nation of Droaam. They also hire their services out as bounty hunters and mercenaries.
Drow are going to be detailed in the Eberron Campaign Setting. The player's guide is written from the point of view of things the average player/character should know. If you'll notice, a lot of important NPCs (King Kaius, Cardinal Krozen, Vol, etc) are not explictly mentioned and neither are their dark secrets. The Age of Demons is described as a myth and there is no concrete explanation given regarding the fall of the Giant or Goblin empires or details on the secrets and cultures of Xen'Drik and Sarlonna.
That's for the DM to know and everyone else to find out.
the trend of putting Dragon races in PHBs & PGs that started with the Warforged & Minotaur
How is that a trend? One Dragon race winding up in a PH and a setting's PG updating another (and one that happens to be rather key to the setting) hardly constitutes a trend.
Sometimes I am uncertain as to whether I should despise or be amused by the way these forums seem to lead people to cling to tiny little molecules of information and spin them into elaborate omens of what the gaming future clearly(!!!1!!one!1eleven) holds for us. (Another of my favorite recent examples: Lyk, omg, half-giants and thri-keen mentioned in a region entry! Darksun 2010 for sure gaiz. NO WAI, Dragonlance contest and anniversary! Dragonlance 2010 4 sho!!!!lawl)
...and non-exclusive (every other race) race articles...
Wait, when was the gnoll republished? They're mentioned in the EPG, but that's no guarantee they'll be in the PH3.
Regardless, as good as Dragon magazine is, it's been unabashedly a testing ground for mechanics in future publications. From illusion powers to classes and races, it's all kind of a playtest with some nice artwork & fluff. I don't think DDI was ever meant to be the dumping ground for lots of game pieces that didn't fit into paper publications.
Wait, when was the gnoll republished? They're mentioned in the EPG, but that's no guarantee they'll be in the PH3.
He's saying that it can get republished because, unlike the revenant, its not labeled "exclusive content".
I don't think DDI was ever meant to be the dumping ground for lots of game pieces that didn't fit into paper publications.
It sort of seems like we are getting revenants, assassins, necromancy powers and other things specifically because they might not fit in any other book.
So its not surprising they got a mention in the EPG.
Everyone who's familiar with Eberron realizes that most of the races mentioned in that chapter were mentioned because of their established role in the setting.
The presence of Kobolds was a bit strange, in my opinion, seeing as they had very little importance in 3E Eberron. The absence of Drow, a published playable race with a clear role in the setting, was a bit annoying. Metagame knowledge be damned, they deserved at least a blurb for players interested in playing a drow.
All of the PH2 races were present, regardless of past roles, for obvious reasons. The Genasi entry seemed unneeded, as they are extremely rare and have no established role. I can see, though, why they got an entry with their being a published player race.
Keep in mind that the Playing Gnolls article in Dragon was written by Keith Baker, the creator of Eberron. He also wrote an article in Dragon on the City of Greywall in Droaam (where non-chaotic evil savage Gnolls can be found in Eberron).
So its not surprising they got a mention in the EPG.
Should I point out that while Keith Baker is the creator of Eberron and did write Playing Gnolls, he did not write the Eberron Player's Guide? :P
Well, it's my guess (based on that list at least) that Goblins, Kobolds and Orcs would be in the PH3; whilst Gnolls would appear in the Dragon Magazine Annual Volume 1 (I'm surprised nobody's brought-up DMA1 yet, at least from what I've seen in these forums). That's my point-of-view, anyway
Any new races will not be in the Dragon Annual. New Races and Classes are only in the Player Guides. (PHB's and Settings)
I have not seen anything to dispute this as it was the official statement from the first year that this new edition had been released.
Any new races will not be in the Dragon Annual. New Races and Classes are only in the Player Guides. (PHB's and Settings)
I have not seen anything to dispute this as it was the official statement from the first year that this new edition had been released.
DDi exclusive Revenant just kinda slightly disproves the "only in PHB/PG" theory. ;)
Any new races will not be in the Dragon Annual. New Races and Classes are only in the Player Guides. (PHB's and Settings)
I have not seen anything to dispute this as it was the official statement from the first year that this new edition had been released.
I may be wrong, but I also think I remember an statement that said the Playing X articles (the ones that were published in the full monthly Dragon issues, anyway) would most certainly show up in the Dragon Annual.
As long as it doesn't include new Races or Classes, then yes, it will include articles.
I have no idea what a Reverent is because it is not in a book.
DDi is not published, it is put on a web page, gathered into issues at the end of the month.
As long as it doesn't include new Races or Classes, then yes, it will include articles.
I have no idea what a Reverent is because it is not in a book.
Wrong. That is still being published. Perhaps you should learn what the term means.
Wrong. That is still being published. Perhaps you should learn what the term means.
Can I go to a store and buy it. Where is the latest issue? Will it be available after the month is over, like the books are?
Perhaps technically, your right, but it is at a different level than the books. DDi is material that is "extra" for those that want more than what is offered in the books, or to be more precise, most likely get it before it is in the books.
Yes, you can go to the store and buy it - the WotC store. You're going to have to accept the changing times - electronic print is going to become the standard, and probably within our lifetimes.
Not with a monthly VIP fee, it isn't. There is already failed news VIP sites that have folded already.
DDi has the advantage of the tools to work with the game and the Character Generator (Called Builder here)
Hopefully, the new tools will have some sort of map app and some extensive DM support.
Not that I will see them myself, but I really want for those that get this service to have some sort of reason to pay out the Ransom. The mags, they ain't it.
RPG Forge. Delayed because of Wizard's pull of support, and no 4th edition info able to be in the release.
Characer "Builder" Part of the DDi, and not able to be bought in stores.
It is a ransom.
I know that DDi has improved a bit since the days of the free trail. (actually, did that ever really happen?) Since the development has been more focused, the bits and pieces have gelled and the CB (I always think of the radio when I see this abbr) has been released.
It still not worth a monthly fee, nor is it comparable to the MMO structure that it is modeled after.
Blackmail better?
I know that DDi has improved a bit since the days of the free trail. (actually, did that ever really happen?) Since the development has been more focused, the bits and pieces have gelled and the CB (I always think of the radio when I see this abbr) has been released.
It still not worth a monthly fee, nor is it comparable to the MMO structure that it is modeled after.
Yeah, it is a shame that Dungeon and Dragon used to be free all the time and that you never had to pay for them.
I don't doubt that there are a few good pieces within those web pages, some material that most likely won't make it to the other books (or only into the Annual), but it seems more the exception than the rule.
Your paying for advertising, not a magazine. At least on the newsstand, the advertisements were from other companies.
The mags on the stands were, In My Humble Opinion, of a better quality than the preview and musings of the online articles within DDi. You could also keep the suckers around and use them later on.
If only there was a way to take the images from the screen and put them onto paper. [/sarcasm]
:D
If I do break down and get DDi, it will be for the tools that I can not get elsewhere. I most likely will not look at the mags at all if this ever happens.
If only there was a way to take the images from the screen and put them onto paper. [/sarcasm]
:D
So, when Kinko's refuses to print them because of copyright infringement fears? what then?
So, when Kinko's refuses to print them because of copyright infringement fears? what then?
Print it yourself??
Your paying for advertising, not a magazine. At least on the newsstand, the advertisements were from other companies.
Ah, good ol' paper Dragon Magazine, where something like 50% of content was advertising...
Ah, good ol' paper Dragon Magazine, where something like 50% of content was advertising...
Thax believes Dragonborn and Half-Orcs are the same race. Clearly logical reasoning isn't going to work on her.
Jesus Christ ThaX STOP TURNING EVERY GOD DAMN THREAD INTO A DDI DEBATE!
Seconded! For great justice!!
So, Kalashtar and Doppleganger are in EPG.
The Gnoll and Orc shouldn't make the PHB3, Minotaur is in, as well as at least one Gith. I think the small race is gonna be the Dromite, though there is a want (left over from the horrible 3.5 Sorcerer dragon blood source of power fluff) for the Kobold.
Thoughts?
And since the Gnoll needs to be reworked almost as badly as the Minotaur, I think it's has a very good chance of being included.
And since the Gnoll needs to be reworked almost as badly as the Minotaur, I think it's has a very good chance of being included.
Plus they are just kickass. If I had to pick between Gnolls and Minotaurs it be Gnolls all the way.
MM races. Why not get the Savage Species reprint over with instead, call it a Races Player Guide, for those wanting to go outside heroic gameplay.
I want to see goblinoids as player races first, though!
They might not be your heroes, but that doesn't mean that they can't be our heroes.
You know, like how Dragonlance made a Minotaur (Kaz) one of histories greatest heroes, stood beside Huma, fought a god.
Oh but you don't think they're heroic enough, so lets just pull more races out of whole cloth instead of building on what we have.