WotC_Logan wrote:
I do have the compiled lists that I e-mailed to WotC customer service. Should I just dump them all here?
The Dragon Magic thread
The Faiths of Eberron thread
The Cityscape thread
I couldn't find the others; maybe you can remember some piece of text to help with the search. To find these on Google, I used the following text in the search box, including any quotes you see:
site:boards1.wizards.com essex "future releases" "cityscape" errataCheers!
COMPLETE PSIONIC
> Chapter 1:
>
> pg. 6 The Ardent information on Table 1-2 doesn't provide a Maximum Power
> Level Known column.
>
> pg. 6 The Ardent's class skill list contains the entry "Knowledge" but does
> not specify what knowledge skill or skills is on the list.
>
> pg. 9 The Divine Mind Class Features text indicates that the class receives
> no power points until 5th level; an assertion which is contradicted by Table
> 1-3.
>
> pg. 9 The last line of the first paragraph of the Powers Known section is
> unclear and seems to contradict table 1-3.
>
> pg. 10 The Divine Mind's Mantle ability is listed as Extraordinary when it
> should almost certainly be considered Supernatural.
>
> pg. 11 Kelemvor gets the Death Mantle but should probably have gotten the
> Repose Mantle instead.
>
> pg. 12 The Time Mantle's bonuses don't increase over time as do the bonuses
> of similar mantles.
>
> pg. 13 The Half-Giant Divine Mind starting package lists Weapon Focus
> (longsword) as the character's feat. The character lacks the BAB necessary
> to take the feat.
>
> pg. 14 The Lurk's Lurk Augment ability is listed as Extraordinary when it
> should probably be considered Supernatural.
>
> pg. 14-16 Several Lurk Augments provide saving throws equal to 10+Int
> modifier. Shouldn't the DC also include a bonus equal to either Lurk level
> or 1/2 Lurk level?
>
> pg. 15 Table 1-6 lists a Lurk Aurment named Reach Attack yet there is no
> listed augment with that name.
>
> pg. 15 The Mental Assault Lurk Augment seems overpowered as written. I
> believe that ir should offer a saving throw to resist the effect.
>
> Chapter 2:
>
> pg. 18 The Anarchic Initiate, a prestige class designed primarily for
> Wilders, requires 8 ranks of Knowledge (planes) to enter despite the fact
> that Knowledge (planes) is not a class skill for Wilders.
>
> pg. 21 The sample character could not have met the Knowledge (planes)
> prerequisite for the prestige class by 7th level.
>
> pg. 26 The Ectopic Adept needs Skill Focus (Craft [sculpting]) as a
> prerequisite but doesn't seem to require any ranks in Craft (sculpting).
>
> pg. 29 Giles Stoneforged should have two of his Psionic feats noted as bonus
> feats from his Shaper levels (the two bonus feats from his Ectopic Adept
> levels are already indicated). He is also missing 1 feat.
>
> pg. 30 The text indicates that Alliyon Dak'aris is an 8th level Ectopic
> Adept. The class only has 5 levels.
>
> pg. 30 The "Becoming A Flayerspawn Psychic" section states that only Psions
> and Erudites can enter the class but this isn't supported by the entry
> requirements.
>
> pg. 30 The Flayerspawn Psychic can use a Mind Blast by channeling power
> points. How many power points are needed?
>
> pg. 31 The top of the second column mentions a feat named Illithid Speech.
> This feat is not in the book.
>
> pg. 36 The 6th paragraph of the Mind Arrow entry seems to state that the
> enhancement bonus on the Mind Arrows somehow increases a character's Base
> Attack Bonus.
>
> pg. 36 The Mind Arrow entry states "Powers or spells that upgrade weapons
> can be used on a mind blade." While actually true, in this instance the
> words 'mind blade' should obviously be replaced with 'mind arrow.'
>
> pg. 37 The Soulbow's Mind Arrow Enhancement choices includes Returning. This
> weapon enhancement seems useless for a class that summons it's weapons as a
> free action.
>
> pg. 39 Two more of Nathra Teng's feats should be listed as bonus feats (one
> from race and one from her prestige class).
>
> pg. 42 One of Dante's feats should be labeled as his human bonus feat.
>
> pg. 43 The powers known text states that a new power is learned at every
> level. The table on the same page disagrees.
>
> Chapter 3:
>
> pg. 51-52 Many of the Ectopic Forms seem likely to gain a stability bonus
> for having extra legs or a generally horizontal form yet there is no mention
> of this in the feats.
>
> pg. 52-53 Elemental Envoys don't gain additional HD as you increase in
> level. This renders them very likely to die in higher level campaigns. Does
> this have negative effects on your character? Does your character get a new
> one after the old one dies?
>
> pg. 53-54 Euphoric Reduction states that it grants a "boost for one of your
> skills" but actually grants damage resistance.
>
> pg. 57 Practiced Manifester does not explicitly indicate if it provides an
> increase to manifester level for the purpose of bonus power points.
>
> pg. 57 Skin of the Construct lasts for the normal duration of the Astral
> Construct power (a matter of rounds) yet the temporary hit points last for
> an entire hour.
>
> pg. 59 Xeph Burst, Extra indicates that you can use your racial ability one
> time per day without the feat and three times with the feat. Xephs can
> actually use the ability three times without any feat.
>
>
> pg. 61 Illithid Heritage feats seem to presume that one of your ancestors
> was an Illithid. I was unaware that llithids could reproduce in the normal
> manner.
>
> pg. 61 Illithid Blast states that you must channel power points to use it.
> How many points are needed?
>
> pg. 62 The Ilithid Heritage feat can apparently be taken by such creatures
> as Warforged and Illithids.
>
> pg. 63 The Metapower feat is written so poorly as to be virtually
> incomprehensible.
>
> Chapter 4:
>
> pg. 70 The Life Mantle's third level power (Body Purification) states that
> it heals 1d12 points of damage. That is actually the effect of the Body
> Adjustment power. The Body Purification power heals 2 points of ability
> damage.
>
> pg. 74 Energy Wave's base damage is listed as 13d4 while the XPH power entry
> lists it as 13d6.
>
> pg. 80-81 Chaos Fissure does not indicate the level of the Wild Surge effect
> generated or how the Enervation aspect of the power would effect
> non-Wilders.
>
> pg. 81 Either the Claws of Darkness damage table is wrong or the power
> description is.
>
> pg. 82 Deaden Blow lists a power cost of 3 despite being a first level
> power.
>
> pg. 84 The Ectoplasmic Swarm power has no maximum duration.
>
> pg. 85 When using Empower Weapon, you expend the points for that power and
> for the power that you are placing into the weapon at the same time. Isn't
> this likely to surpass the maximum power points that you can expend at once
> as a result of your manifester level?
>
> pg. 85 Energy Arc has a listed saving throw of "Reflex half (object)". Does
> this mean that only objects get saving throws against the power?
>
> pg. 86 Energy Barrage offers no power resistance.
>
> pg. 86-87 Energy Emanation's augment increases the saving throw's DC yet the
> power offers no saving throw.
>
> pg 92 The Mental Turmoil power indicates that it is a 3rd level power for
> the Pain and Suffering Mantle yet on pg. 71 the Pain and Suffering Mantle
> entry does not include Mental Turmoil.
>
> pg. 94 The Planar Embrace power should have two different power point costs
> because the classes that grant it do so at different levels.
>
> pg. 94 The first bulleted point for Planar Embrace uses a 13th level Psion
> as an example. The example character is too low in level to use the power.
>
> pg. 95 Primal Fear does not include the [Fear] descriptor.
>
> pg. 97 An augmented Psychoportive Shelter can hold extra creatures of any
> size yet the entrance to the shelter is small enough that many larger
> creatures cannot enter. The power should probably limit the size of the
> extra creatures.
>
> pg. 97 Rage of the Remorhaz's augment increases the saving throw's DC yet
> the power offers no saving throw
>
> pg. 102 The Stygian Touch power's augment lets the negative levels last for
> 24 hours. Does this mean that there's a chance for permanent level loss?
>
> pg. 103 Shouldn't Suggestion, Implanted note that Detect Psionics can also
> detect the presence of the power?
>
> pg. 104 The Urge Extermination augment's example should use the number 2
> instead of 20.
>
> pg. 106 When wielding an Ethereal Reaver what happens if somebody built a
> wall on the Ethereal Plane that doesn't exist on the material plane?
>
> pg. 110 The Skin of Ectoplasmic Armor costs 3,000 gp but takes 15 days to
> make. Is the gp (& xp) cost wrong or is the time to create wrong?
>
> pg. 115 The Sandals of Springing grant a +15 bonus to jump checks yet only
> cost 6000 gp.
>
> pg. 118 Can a character benefit from both location effects or only one?
>
> Chapter 5:
>
> pg. 120-121 The Base Atk lines for all of the Astral Constructs is
> incorrect.
>
> pg. 125 The Heavy Deflection entry in the first column mentions astral
> aquans when it should refer to anathemic carapaces.
>
> pg. 129 Shouldn't the Ectoplasmic Swarm's Improved Initiative feat be
> considered a bonus feat?
>
> pg. 129 The Ectoplasmic Swarm's entry indicate that they feed and reproduce
> despite the fact that they're from the astral plane, a place where time does
> not pass (thereby preventing biological drives such as hunger). Also, due to
> the timeless trait of the plane, creatures that lack healing powers can
> never recover lost hit points.
>
> pg. 130-132 The Arctine, Geodite and Tempestan speeds listed as squares do
> not match their speeds listed in feet.
>
> pg. 130-132 The Arctine, Emberling, Geodite and Tempestan have 1d4 slam
> attacks despite having the Improved Natural Attack feat as a bonus feat.
>
> pg. 134 The Shadow Eft's flat-footed AC is higher than it's standard AC.
>
> pg. 135 There is an error in the Sibyllic Guardian's color scheme. The eyes
> in the picture are red while the text mentions blue, while the Glyphs are
> blue when the text indicates red.
>
> Chapter 6:
>
> pg. 140 There are no age, weight, height or other similar tables for the
> Synad PC race.
>
> pg. 149 The Thri-Kreen should actually receive starting skill points equal
> to 4x(2+Int modifier).
>
> pg. 155 The section on learning new powers states that the Erudite must pay
> "20 XP per erudite level." This should probably have been "per power level,"
> since otherwise it costs more for a 10th level erudite to learn a 1st level
> power than it does for a 1st level erudite.
>
> pg. 156 The sample Erudite starting package should have 2 (instead of 3)
> powers known before adding the Intelligence bonus.
>
> pg. 156 The Epic Divine Mind doesn't doesn't have any Bonus feat progression
> listed.
Tome of Battle Errata:
The Human Crusader, Swordsage and Warblade starting packages (pages 12, 18, & 24) don't seem to take into account the bonus skill points that humans start with.
Miros Xavt (page 14) appears to be short 4 skill points.
The Swordsage's skill multiplier is listed as x6 instead of x4.
Crimson Mask (page 20) has 3 skill points too many. The writer appears to have given him a +2 racial bonus to Listen, Spot, and Search instead of a +1 bonus. Crimson Mask also has a longbow despite the fact that Swordsages are only proficient with Martial Melee Weapons and half-elves don't gain proficiency with the bow in the same manner as full-blooded elves.
Vardalak Axebearer (page 26) appears to be short 2 skill points and is missing the extra language that he gets for a high intelligence.He also has a 3rd level stance for which he fails to meet the level prerequisite.
Page 39, Table 3-1. The third from last line should read 13th-14th instead of 13th-4th.
Page 52's Burning Blade maneuver has no damage cap despite being a first level maneuver. I am unsure if this is an oversight or if it is actually meant to have no limit, but it seems unusual for a first level ability to allow theoretically unlimited damage. To contrast this, the first level Devoted Spirit maneuver Crusader's Strike has a maximum +5 bonus to it's effect.
Page 53 - The Firesnake maneuver's duration is listed as Instantaneous but the text portion states "A firesnake starts in an adjacent square. It can move up to 60 feet EACH ROUND. It can move out of your line of sight or line of effect, but you gain no special knowledge of the areas it moves into." The entry goes on to state that a creature can only be harmed by a firesnake once PER ROUND and that it only takes damage the first time the snake touches it. How does an effect with an instantaneous duration continue to move (and cause damage) each round?
Page 55 - Inferno Blast has a reflex save for half damage but provides no DC.
Page 56 - Why does Searing Blade require a standard action when the previous and next maneuvers in the chain (Burning Blade and Inferno Blade) require a swift action.
Page 57 - The first four entries should probably have alignment prerequisites.
The Shadow Blade Technique (p. 78) should probably have the [Cold] descriptor just as Burning Blade (p. 52) has the [Fire] descriptor.
Page 88's Leaping Dragon stance gives a 10 ft. enhancement to jump checks. Does this mean that your jump checks are made as if your speed were 10 feet greater, that you jump an extra 10 feet in distance every time you make a jump check, or that the word 'ft.' is in error and that the stance is actually supposed to grant a +4 bonus to the skill check?
Does page 88's Prey on the Weak maneuver use up one of your Attacks of Opportunity for the round?
Page 92's Leading the Charge also doesn't put a max cap on the damage dealt despite the fact that it is a first level stance.
Page 92'a Lion's Roar only works when you reduce your opponent to fewer than 0 hp. Does this mean that it doesn't work when facing undead and constructs, as these beings are destroyed at 0 hp and thus can never technically go below 0?
Page 97's Bloodclaw Master prestige class grants low-light vision but doesn't indicate what happens if you already have low-light vision. Same thing with scent. It also indicates that Shifter Bloodclaw Masters are treated as having the razorclaw trait when considering prerequisites for feats despite the fact that Shifters simply gain extra uses of their regular shifting ability rather than the temporary claws that normal members of this prestige class get. Thus Shifter feats such as Great Rend or Shifter Multiattack that depend on the claw attacks provided by the razorclaw trait are useless.
Page 99 - Rhaskana
Speed should be reduced to 20 because of armor (unless the character is in a Tiger Claw stance and uses the Tiger Claw Synergy prestige class ability to boost his speed). Since the claw attack option can only be used while shifting the attack modifier should be +11 (instead of +10) and the damage modifier should be +6 (instead of +2; which would have been wrong even if the strength bonus to damage had been added). The attack option Blood Meditation should be Blade Meditation. Mobility is not noted as an AC modifier on the AC line (it was actually noted on the line for a later example character).
Page 104 - Varand
The character's HD are listed as 14 instead of 15. The character is missing 1 hp (Assuming that the character took Warblade at first level instead of Fighter. If a level of Fighter was taken first then the hp are fine. Since taking Warblade first causes the skill block to make sense we'll assume that this is the case). The possessions line of text indicates that the character has a +1 Dwarven Waraxe while the attack line indicates that it is a +2 Dwarven Waraxe. This character's skill block lacks the dwarven racial bonuses.
Page 108 - Karthak
The character's Keen Greataxe should have a threat range of 19-20. This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 16 skill points (26 for Fighter, 6 for Deepstone Sentinel, and -16 from intelligence). Taking the character's total skill modifier (10), and figuring in his armor check penalty (-5) gives a result of 15 points. The character is one skill point short. The character also lacks the dwarven racial bonuses to skills.
Page 113 - Aedor
The stat block list the character's disciplines as including Desert Wind, Stone Dragon and Tiger Claw despite the fact that the character doesn't seem to have taken maneuvers in any of them and despite the fact that the prestige class doesn't grant access to them. This character's skill block is incorrect. Although Concentration became a class skill for the character because of the Martial Study (Diamond Mind) feat Diplomacy remains a cross-class skill because the character didn't take the Martial Study (White Raven) feat.The character is also missing the elf racial bonuses to Listen, Search, and Spot checks.
Page 118 - Kuthar
The character's IL should be 8 instead of 7 (rounding down the wizard level). The character is missing the two bonus feats gained from Wizard levels.
Page 121 - Vaunred
The character could not have met the feat prereqisite for his prestige class at the level it was taken. The character's Improved Unarmed Strike feat should not grant him d6 damage dice with unarmed attacks. That is a special ability of the Monk class. The Listen modifier of +3 at the top of the entry doesn't match the modifier of +8 in the skills entry. The character is missing 1 stance, has 3 maneuvers too many, and has 2 readied maneuvers too many. This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 91 skill points (60 for Swordsage, 18 for Master of Nine, and 13 from being human). Taking the character's total skill modifiers (119), and accounting for their ability modifiers to skills (19), synergy modifiers (8), and an armor check penalty to skills (-4) you gain a total of 96 points. If we assume that the Listen modifier should be +3 instead of +8 (as noted at the top of the entry block) they the skill block will be correct.
Page 125 - Ereth
The character is listed as being a follower of St. Cuthbert (including having access to St. Cuthbert's domains) despite being a member of a prestige class that requires you to worship Wee Jas. The character's hp are too low (they apparently gave the Crusader levels d8's instead of d10's). This character's skill block is incorrect. The character should have 64 skill points (28 for Crusader, 2 for Cleric, 12 from Ruby Knight Vindicator, 11 from intelligence, and 11 from being human). Taking the character's total skill modifiers (64), and accounting for their ability modifiers to skills (12), the bonus from the Blade Meditation feat (2), speed penalty to Jump checks (-6), and an armor check penalty to skills (-10) you gain a total of 66 points.
Page 130 - Doomveil
The character should be gaining 8 stunning fist uses per day instead of 6 (the prestige class specifically notes that its levels count as monk levels for this purpose). This character's skill block is also incorrect. The character isn't gaining the synergy bonus to Diplomacy that their ranks in Sense Motive should grant.
Page 124 - Table 6-1 is missing the fort save penalty entry at 9th level (the entry on the chart is totally blank).
Page 135 - The Faithful Avenger should be noted as granting either Detect Evil or Detect Good.
Page 140 - Table 6-5 indicates that the blade improves to a +3 Defending Mithril Short Sword at both levels 16 and 18.
Page 144 - Tiger Fang's Frenzied Charge ability doesn't indicate if the second attack is made at your full attack bonus or if it is at a -5 penalty. Table 6-8 also seems to indicate that the weapon never improves beyond being a +1 keen weapon. Is this correct?
Page 149 - The Crown of Ravens item doesn't indicate how maneuvers that it grants are recovered.
Page 151 - The Rakshasa's greatsword should list a 19-20 critical range.
Page 153 - The ecology of the Naityan Rakshasa section indicates that it doesn't need to eat. As a native outsider it actually does need to eat.
Page 157 - The Valkyrie's slam attacks are off. Natural attacks are normally covered by the Weapon Finesse feat but are not affected by two-weapon fighting penalties. Thus the attacks should be 3 points higher than listed.
Here's some books that aren't yet included. Anyone recall an errata thread for them?
DMG II
Magic Item Compendium
Champions of Valor
Magic of Incarnum
Weapons of Legacy
Lords of Madness
Races of the Dragon
Races of Destiny
Races of the Wild
Races of Stone
pg100: Dragonqrought Kobolds are granted darkvision 60, the same ability granted to all kobolds anyway.
There are probably more errata threads in the archive. I'll see if I can dig them out.
Edit: Found some (didn't check for doubles):
Libris Mortis Errata thread
Frostburn Errata thread
Complete Arcane Errata thread
Warlock errata by Rich Baker
Stormwrack errata
Heroes of Horror errata
Hellspike errata
Monster Manual IV errata
Tome of Magic errata
Fiendish Codex I errata
Tome of battle errata
Dragon Magic errata
Faiths of Eberron errata
PHB II errata
Complete Psionic
Powers of Faerun errata
I also clearly remember a Spells Compendium and several Races of X errata threads, but I am unable to find them anymore.
Spell Compendium
Keep up the good work folks !
And is there no errata for complete adventurer ?
This thread is a great idea
Keep up the good work folks !
And is there no errata for complete adventurer ?
There's an official one, or do you mean beyond that?
Edit: Found some (didn't check for doubles):
Libris Mortis Errata thread
Frostburn Errata thread
Complete Arcane Errata thread
Warlock errata by Rich Baker
Stormwrack errata
Heroes of Horror errata
Hellspike errata
Monster Manual IV errata
Tome of Magic errata
Fiendish Codex I errata
Tome of battle errata
Dragon Magic errata
Faiths of Eberron errata
PHB II errata
Complete Psionic
Powers of Faerun errata
A few of these already have official errata.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=804535
A few of these already have official errata.
I knew that, but I was unsure to what extent the official errata and the threads I posted overlapped, as I've not read all posts in each of them. As this thread is a resource for finding community created errata lists, I thought it advantageous to put links to any errata thread I could fine, not only those that do not have an official errata yet.
I basically went though the entire archive on Future releases and General and put a link in for every thread I found that at least contained a valid amount of usefull errata.
It would be up to anyone inside WotC working on errata to compare the issues in the lists in this thread with those known internally and published.
Just for the record, I am planning on compiling a list of known errata for Races of the Wild. Most of those I know are already in the generic errata thread I posted above, but it's my personal gripe and I'll put my time where my mouth is, to make it as easy as possible on the WotC folks to put out an errata. This however will take some time, so probably needs a quiet weekend end of may/early june.
Anyone else interested?unoffical d20 Modern Errata.
Draft Errata and FAQ
Draft d20 Future Errata
all of the above is sadly unoffical
Well, this being the dnd forum, I don't know if we should make it overly general. Maybe it would make more sense to start an errata metathread on the d20 modern forum?
I would keep it here, having one big "meta" thread, is exactly the reason you started this, right?
I wonder if any of the nice folks at WotC have any comments about when new errata might be expected?
We're still waiting for some more feedback on our current books. Since this is a new way of doing the process, we're still figuring it out. We're very close to establishing our errata criteria so the process will be faster in the future. If you have any suggestions for good errata criteria, send me a PM (or make a new thread if you want to discuss it here; I don't want to derail this one).
"Errata criteria" should be what you think constitutes a significant error. We want the errata documents to be useful and significant. Listing every single error means errata will be less useful and will feel like a waste of time to anyone reading it. So what are the kinds of errors that really irk you and significantly impact your game?
We're still waiting for some more feedback on our current books. Since this is a new way of doing the process, we're still figuring it out. We're very close to establishing our errata criteria so the process will be faster in the future. If you have any suggestions for good errata criteria, send me a PM (or make a new thread if you want to discuss it here; I don't want to derail this one).
"Errata criteria" should be what you think constitutes a significant error. We want the errata documents to be useful and significant. Listing every single error means errata will be less useful and will feel like a waste of time to anyone reading it. So what are the kinds of errors that really irk you and significantly impact your game?
I have a question is the new round errata only limited to the D&D line or will it also extened to the other RPG lines?
I have a question is the new round errata only limited to the D&D line or will it also extened to the other RPG lines?
We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.
We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.
I understand starting with new products first but I'd strongly urge WOTC to find the time, or devote the resources, to releasing errata for older books too, at least the ones that don't have any. There's a huge gap in errata releases and a lot of those books need errata.
I know personally it would go a long way toward restoring some of the faith I've lost in WOTC. As it is it feels like the mentality is that the company can just turn out anything and we'll gladly lap it up. There's been a really noticeable decrease in the quality of the releases, I'd like to see an upturn in the quality of the new stuff as well as errata for the existing stuff.
I understand starting with new products first but I'd strongly urge WOTC to find the time, or devote the resources, to releasing errata for older books too, at least the ones that don't have any. There's a huge gap in errata releases and a lot of those books need errata.
We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.
We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.
I'm sorry? this is really confusing me, with the amount of player compiled errata on this web sight it would seem to be reasonably easy to put to gather the errata for older books. you might have to push off the more complex questions and answerers with a statement like "we are studding this issue and how best to resolve it. " but most of the problems are readily answered. If your having to have mutable meetings to decide if a Duskblade was meant to have simple weapon proficiency than you are doing some thing vary wrong.
So put out a memo that says that and the 90% of the other problems that can be answered with out any difficulty. then send it to the relevant people in R&D etc( if this is more than a dozen people, whittle it down) with a 24h window for comment before publication. Then after that parts out of the way go back and tackle the big questions with a big round table discussion or how ever you do it.That part is really impotent and will take longer. If you can't do it in that kind off fashion because of corporate policy's than the policy's need to be altered so you can. If Criss, Scott and the other bigger fish cant get the polices changed then all the fish may end up without enough water. Gamers are expecting all game company's to be nimble not ponderous. Look I know that I expect things to happen fast, i work in a industry that has insane time pressure, in 21 to 30 days we shot a 2h TV Movie, 1h TV show in 7 days, and most small feature 60 to 90 days some times less. If its smaller than a fridge we don't ship by land we Fed-X it over night. we work 13h days minimum all the time some times 7 days a week.
The last two "Errata " posts on the main web sight are not errata there more like drooped content. It's been almost a month since Criss said that errata was a priority and that more resources were being brought to bare on the issue. In that time WotC has made two easy posts. That seems rather slow given the priority that the customer and management have placed on the issue.
Let me state that this is not meant as a attack on you Logan or any other employ at WotC but rather a revive of what appearers to be a bureaucracy out of control. I can think of no other reason for this kind of delay other than it being deliberate or a case of incompetence neither of which can i see or except as being the problem.:D :D
We're starting with new releases, and going back to older books is only an option if we have time for it. As far as including errata on any new books for other lines (I wonder which one you're referring to ;)), that's TBD. With Star Wars Saga Edition releasing, we'll need to figure that out.
lol,Thanks for the answer Logan..I'll pass it on down to the rest of the gang in d20m land....
We're well aware that people want errata for releases we've missed. However, the best way to avoid another huge gap is to go forward with our new books and pick up the others if we can.
I understand that, and truly do expect that new releases will receive errata first. However, we've also been promised increased editorial staff so one would hope that we'd be seeing fewer errors.
Personally, I think that errata should become WOTC's top priority. Yes, it's nowhere near as "sexy" as releasing new products but quite frankly, the quality of the new products flat out sucks. The level of errors we're seeing in current products is unacceptable. New products might mean sales figures but right now the impression that I get is that WOTC is content to continue pumping out shoddy product and then doesn't want to stand behind them with support. Honestly, I'm flat out not buying, and it has nothing to do with the magazines being discontinued (I never bought either magazine), but the shift in attitude I'm talking about.
There's a good list of books that have come out recently, and not so recently, that I'd like to purchase but I'm just not going to do it unless I see WOTC putting some real effort into improving the quality of new releases and fixing the mistakes in existing ones.
He does so much quality work without pay, I imagine it'd be relatively cheap to get him as an independent contractor and avoid most of this garbage from getting out in the first place.And you're welcome, Essex; I have no problem speaking for you.
WotC needs to hire a proofreader, and I nominate Essex.
And you're welcome, Essex; I have no problem speaking for you.
Thanks for the vote of confidence.
As luck would have it I am currently out of work (I quit my proofreading job of 10 years so that I could move to Florida and take care of my grandmother) and looking for ANY potential source of income. While I couldn't relocate I do have a high speed internet connection that would allow me to receive large text files. Of course, if I proofread the new products before they were released what would be left for me to post on the message boards?;)
When I was a TA, I was always told, "NEVER, EVER, use the examples/formulaes given in a math/physics book if it was a 1st edition without doublechecking yourself". Yet these are crunch which have been known/used for decades.
The fact is, 1st editions in math/physics books are always rife with errors and this is true for the crunch of the WOTC products. I mean, how much errata did people find in say "Expedition to Castle Ravenloft"?
Steve Jackson Games, for example, has a volunteer who goes through the errata submissions, makes sure they are potential errata and not a misunderstanding, then submits this list to the line editor. The line editor periodically reviews all submitted errata, confirms or refutes it, and passes this back to the coordinator. It then gets posted on the Errata webpage. There you can find errata for any book they publish. If a book has no errata, they tell you.
Errata for all the WotC books needs to be compiled, not just the new books. While it is important to make sure that the new books are correct (or corrected when errors are found), the same is true for older books. Just because a book is newer doesn't mean it is more important.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775
Sadly I don't think the top pages have been updated since page 4 or so, so it'd need a serious trawl - but there's some key stuff in there.
To me the criteria for the errata should be to only change things that have an actual game impact, ie what action does a specific ability require, game balance issues, left out material etc. The NPC is only as valuable as the new information..if the new information is represented correctly then I personally don't care about the rest.
For Tome of Battle this is a key thread.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=683775
Sadly I don't think the top pages have been updated since page 4 or so, so it'd need a serious trawl - but there's some key stuff in there.
Thanks for the link, looks like a good one.
I'm sorry? this is really confusing me, with the amount of player compiled errata on this web sight it would seem to be reasonably easy to put to gather the errata for older books. you might have to push off the more complex questions and answerers with a statement like "we are studding this issue and how best to resolve it. "
Yup..almsot of the d20 modern and other D20M books have player complied errata jsut screaming to be compiled and officalized....anymore news for us Logan?
p 108 Replace the Wild Shape text with the following:
Wildshape (Su): An Arcane Hierophant with levels in Druid can add his Arcane Hierpophant levels to his Druid levels and will gain the Wildshape ability of a Druid of the resulting level. For example a character who is a 3rd level Wizard/4th level Druid/1st level Arcane Hierophant has the Wildshape ability of a 5th level Druid. If you do not have levels in Druid, you do not gain the ability to Wildshape, for example as a Sorcerer/Ranger/Wildrunner/Arcane Hierophant.
The text has two issues:
- It is unclear if a Wiz3/Drd4/AH1 has Wildshape, Jesse Decker and Andy Collins say yes, Rich Redman and Ed Spark say no, the above assumes the first are correct, as it also makes the example NPC work correctly.
- A Wizard/Ranger can not qualify for the PrC
p 168 Replace the first sentence of the Leafweave armor material with this:
Leafweave: As the name suggests, leafweave armor is made from forest leaves, which are then treated with a special alchemical process that makes them as tough and flexible as leather, but with only 2/3 the weight and encumberance.
The current text does not specify how much Leafweave weighs less, and it can not be gleaned from table 7-2
p 168 Update the following weights in table 7-2:
Leafweave padded 7 lbs.
Leafweave leather 10 lbs.
Leafweave hide 18 lbs.
This would be the weights using 2/3 weight
p 168 Add the following lines to the description of the Thistledown armor material:
The arcane spell failure chance for Thistledown armor is reduced by 5% compared to ordinary armor of the same sort. The armor's maximum Dexterity bonus is increased by +2, and it's armor penalty (if any), is lessened by 2.
The Thistledown items in table 7-2 have these properties
p 168 The cost of Thistledown padded in Table 7-2 should be 305 gp.
This would bring it in line with the cost mentioned in the text, but it is very low, so for game balance it might be better to change the text
p 168 Update the costs and weights of the following Wildwood items in Table 7-2:
Wildwood chain shirt 700 gp
Wildwood scale mail 650 gp
Wildwood chainmail 750 gp
Wildwood breastplate 800 gp
Wildwood splint mail 800 gp 34 lbs.
Wildwood banded mail 850 gp 26 lbs.
Wildwood half-plate 1200 gp
Wildwood full plate 2100 gp
This brings the cost and weight values in line with the written text
This is one of my most valued threads ever on these boards! Good work everyone!http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?p=13817418#post13817418
It looks like most of these errata will never become "official" errata.
Actually, I think this post is more relevant to the errata issue, and more promising.
Have you dropped Greg a message with a link to this thread?
Have you dropped Greg a message with a link to this thread?
Yep, I hope it is helpful.
What they are trying to tell you, in a rather polite way, is that once 4th edition debuts all bets for ANY 3.5 errata are off. once 4th edition rolls off the presses 3.5 is officially dead.
That's certainly clear, and even understandable. However, I'd really like to see them put some effort into this now. I'm really torn here, I really like what I'm hearing so far about 4ed and the design process but I'm also really annoyed that WOTC has been putting out poor quality products, rife with errors for some time now and they've done little or nothing to address them. Yes, I understand that development efforts were shifted to 4ed but they also need to support their current product. It'd be a really nice good-will effort if they would put out errata for the releases that are missing them, at least, not to mention those that have errata and yet still have problems that still haven't been addressed.
nothing to address them. Yes, I understand that development efforts were shifted to 4ed but they also need to support their current productS.
There we go.....
Actually, I think this post is more relevant to the errata issue, and more promising.
Hmmm, that indeed looks a bit more promissing. Let's hope...
Next on my agenda is Complete Mage, Complete Scoundrel, and Complete Champion. Hopefully these will be up within the next couple weeks.
I'd like to thank Essex for his hard work compiling errata and corrections. His comments and notations make my job a lot easier.
Thanks
Greg, New Errata Guy
Spell Compendium, Player's Handbook II, and Magic Item Compendium errata will be up shortly.
Next on my agenda is Complete Mage, Complete Scoundrel, and Complete Champion. Hopefully these will be up within the next couple weeks.
I'd like to thank Essex for his hard work compiling errata and corrections. His comments and notations make my job a lot easier.
Thanks
Greg, New Errata Guy
Wheres the offical D20 Modern errata at?
Now I'm hoping that I hear back from Stephen Radney-MacFarland before the Magic Item Compendium errata comes out. He e-mailed me in early May looking for help finding errata (since nobody seemed willing to crunch their way through nearly 300 pages of magic item blocks) in exchange for a factory set of Night Below miniatures. I finished going through the book in late May and he e-mailed me in late July to let me know that the minis were being shipped once the set was released. I e-mailed him again over three weeks ago to ask if they'd ever been shipped and have yet to hear a reply.
The PHB2 errata is up. It seems to address practically every issue noted in the errata thread.
Nice! That's some quality errata, there. I'll have to fulfill my long-standing promise to buy a new book once the errata posts. What a hardship
And get the man his minis!
I thought it was interesting that it was a Word doc rather than a PDF this time...
Yeah...oops.
We'll get that fixed.
And what the issue,i've brought up
We're being ignored because we're not saying "Woot! Keep up the good work WotC". Seems to be an old standard rule, to improve customer service ignore the angry consumers.
I thought you were being ignored because d20M players are smart enough to get by without errata. :D
Ouch.......lol we are,but still......ya know it owuld show a little love
Spell Compendium errata is also up.
(edit) Now they claim that it's not the link that's broken, it's the SITE that's broken (due to too many people trying to all use it at once). Gee, that's an improvement!
GAH! WotC calims to have posted errata for the Magic Item Compendium but at present the link is broken.
(edit) Now they claim that it's not the link that's broken, it's the SITE that's broken (due to too many people trying to all use it at once). Gee, that's an improvement!
So they store that one file on a different site? While every other errata can still be downloaded? Something seems fishy here.
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 1
pg. 7 - Averter - What happens if enemies are already within 30 feet? What happens if you move towards enemies while the effect is active?
pg. 7 - Balance/Balance, greater/Balance, Improved - Change the school from Abjuration to Divination.
pg. 7 - Bane Blind - The last sentence indicates that when you randomly roll an Outsider entry on the table you must select a subtype. Since the table already seperates Outsiders into lawful, chaotic, good, and evil subtypes does this mean that you have to choose a further subtype (such as angel, guardinal, eladrin, etc.) or is the text in error?
pg. 9 - Blueshine - Change the school from Abjuration to None.
pg. 11 - Ectoplasmic Wall - The phrase "the wall has an area of up to ten 10-foot squares" is confusing. How does a two inch thick wall fill a 10 foot square? I think that the wording should be "the wall is up to 100 feet long."
pg. 11 - Fearsom - The entry should note that it is a mind-affecting fear effect.
pg. 12 - Manifester - Change the school from Abjuration to None.
pg. 13 - Menacing - The entry should note that it is a mind-affecting fear effect.
pg. 14 - Soulbound - Change the school from Abjuration to Transmutation.
pg. 16 - Barricade Buckler - Is the wall of force stationary? Do you keep the buckler's AC bonus while the wall of force is in effect? Does the buckler reappear on your arm after the duration of the wall of force ends?
pg. 18 - Exoskeleton Armor - This armor grants the exact same benefits as +1 Axeblock Spearblock armor yet costs 4000 gp less.
pg. 19 - Kyton Armor - How many times per day can the chain attack be activated? How long does the effect last once activated?
pg. 20 - Mithralmist Shirt - What effect does wind have on the mist?
pg. 23 - Vampire Hide Armor - The Item Level is listed as 17th yet the listed price would give it an Item Level of 15th.
pg. 24 - Wrapped Tower - What is the range of the effect?
pg. 24 - Zombie Hide Armor - This armor grants the exact same benefits as +1 Hammerblock Spearblock armor yet costs 9000 gp less.
pg. 25 - Crystal of Arrow Deflection - Change the school from Divination to Abjuration.
pg. 26 - Crystal of Screening - Change the school from Abjuration to Conjuration.
pg. 26 - Iron Ward Diamond - Change the school from Evocation to Abjuration.
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 2
pg. 27 - The Hardness and Hit Points entry indicates that each point of enhancement bonus increases hardness and hp by 1 each. It actually increases hardness by 2 and hp by 10. This was an error in the DMG that was fixed in an errata document.
pg. 28 - Aquan - This property indicates that it overcomes the DR of a specific subtype of creature. Does this include Epic DR and DR/--? Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 28 - Arcane Might - Although not actually errata, I'd like to comment that this is a REALLY lousy ability which I cannot foresee anybody ever willingly applying to an item. Sacrificing a spell slot to potentially deal extra damage on a single attack equal to the spell slot used is very weak. The Arcane Strike feat from Complete Warrior is much better and is still a relatively poor use for spell slots (although the feat was integral to an excellent character that I once played).
pg. 28 - Auran - This property indicates that it overcomes the DR of a specific subtype of creature. Does this include Epic DR and DR/--? Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 31 - Consumptive - The text states that the effect "does not harm you as long as you have the weapon in hand." Does that mean that it will harm you if you drop the weapon? Since it only inflicts damage "on a successful hit" then the answer should be no, but if that were true then the first section of text is largely redundant. Does the negative energy have any special effect on undead?
pg. 31 - Corrosive - The text states that the effect "does not harm you as long as you have the weapon in hand." Does that mean that it will harm you if you drop the weapon? Since it only inflicts damage "on a successful hit" then the answer should be no, but if that were true then the first section of text is largely redundant.
pg. 32 - Deadly Precision - Does the effect also apply to somebody with the Skirmish class feature?
pg. 32 - Desiccating Burst - The Desiccating quality indicates that it only works against living creatures but the Desiccating Burst quality does not list this limitation. This would allow the ability to suck the water out of Constructs (like stone golems) and Undead (like skeletons and ghosts). The text to this ability also indicates that the Desiccating quality requires an action to activate, but the Desiccating quality seems to indicate that it is always on.
pg. 33 - Domineering - Unlike many similar abilities, this entry does not state that a creature that makes it's saving throw will be immune to the effect for 24 hours. The entry also doesn't note that the ability is a mind-affecting effect.
pg. 33 - Doom Burst - This should be noted as being a mind-affecting fear effect.
pg. 33 - Dragonhuter - Change the school from Transmutationtion/Necromancy to Transmutation.
pg. 34 - Eager - Change from Evocation to Transmutation.
pg. 34 - Energy Aura - Change the school from Evocation to Conjuration/Evocation/Transmutation.
pg. 34 - Energy Surge - Change the school from Evocation to Conjuration or Evocation or Transmutation (depending on prerequisite).
pg. 34 - Everbright - The Cost line states that it "Varies" despite the fact that the Price is +2000 gp. The Cost line shoud instead indicate 1000 gp, 80 xp, 2 days.
pg. 35 - Fleshgrinding - The text indicates that the weapon will not return to the character if the target pulls it free and holds it. What happens if somebody other than the target pulls it free and holds it?
pg. 35 - Ghost Strike - Does this ability apply to either the Sudden Strike or Skirmish class features? Change the school from Conjuration to Necromancy.
pg. 36 - Hunting - Change the school from Abjuration to Transmutation.
pg. 36 - Ignan - This property indicates that it overcomes the DR of a specific subtype of creature. Does this include Epic DR and DR/--? Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 36 - Illusion Bane - The second sentence of the first paragraph staets "against a for" when it should read "against a foe."
pg. 37 - Impact - Change the school from Evocation to Transmutation.
pg. 37 - Impaling - Change the school from Transmutation to Divination.
pg. 37 - Implacable - If the Caster Level is 9th then the DC should be 19 instead of 18.
pg. 38 - Knockback - Change the school from Evocation to Abjuration.
pg. 38 - Mage Bane - Chage the school from Evocation to Abjuration.
pg. 38 - Manifester - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 39 - Morphing - The Activation line is listed as Standard but does not apply a (command), (mental), etc. entry.
pg. 40 - Paralyzing - The ability states that it works on the "next creature struck" but does not limit the ability to strikes made before the end of the round in the same way as every similar ability from earlier in the chapter. This means that a character can get up in the morning, activate the ability, and have the paralysis apply to the first target that he strikes during the day.
pg. 40 - Power Storing - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 40 - Precise - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 40 - Prismatic Burst - The ability price is +30,000 gp but the Cost to Create line reads "Varies." Change the Cost to Create to 15,000 gp, 1200 xp, 30 days.
pg. 41 - Psibane - Chage the school from Divination to Abjuration.
pg. 41 - Psychokinetic - The entry indicates that "the energy does not harm you while wielding the weapon," which implies that it may harm you if you drop the weapon.
pg. 43 - Soulbound/Soulbound, Greater - Change the school from Abjuration to Transmutation.
pg. 45 - Terran - This property indicates that it overcomes the DR of a specific subtype of creature. Does this include Epic DR and DR/--? Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 45 - Transmuting - This property indicates that it overcomes the DR after the first strike. Does this include Epic DR and DR/--?
pg. 46 - Axe of Ancestral Virtue - The price of 8530 gp should be 8030 gp. The same correction needs to be made on the table on page 243.
pg. 47 - Bladed Crossbow - Change the xp cost from 80 to 160.
pg. 48 - Bow of Songs - Change the school from Evocation to Transmutation.
pg. 49 - Chromatic Rod - Change the school from Conjuration to Divination/Illusion.
pg. 49 - Crystal Echoblade - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 49 - Cudgel that Never Forgets - add the Ego score. Change the school from Conjuration to Divination.
pg. 50 - Dagger of Denial - Change the Intimidate modifier from +13 to +16 (10 ranks, +4 charisma bonus, +2 Bluff synergy).
pg. 51 - Dwarf Crusher - Change the Cost to Create from 6000 gp to 3000 gp.
pg. 52 - Ghost Net - Change the Item Level from 11th to 12th.Change the Aura from Moderate to Strong.
pg. 53 - Manticore Greatsword - If you've already fired several spines can you use a full-round action to fire all of the remaining spines or can you only fire all of them at once when all six spines are available?
pg. 56 - Rod of Cats -What sort of action is required to open the secret compartment (free, move, standard, full round, etc.)?
pg. 56 - Rod of Defiance - Change the school from Necromancy to None.
pg. 58 - Rod of Surprises - Change the Cost to Create from 9 days to 6 days. While the rod is in quarterstaff form are both ends considered to be +1 weapons?
pg. 59 - Ruby Blade - Change the xp cost from 120 to 800.
pg. 59 - Spear of Retribution - Change the xp cost from 180 to 360.
pg. 60 - Spider Fang - Change the Item Level from 9th to 10th.
pg. 61 - Sword of Mighty Thews - Change the xp cost from 180 to 360.
pg. 61 - Sword of Virtue Beyond Reproach - Change the xp cost from 180 to 360.
pg. 63 - Viperblade - Change the xp cost from 300 to 240.
pg. 63 - Water Whip - Change the school from Transutation to Conjuration.
pg. 64 - Crystal of Energy Assault - Change the school from Evocation to Conjuration or Evocation (depending on prerequisite).
pg. 65 - Demolition Crystal, Greater - Does the ability apply to either the Sudden Strike or the Skirmish class features?
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 3
pg. 68 - Amber Amulet of Vermin, Giant Bee - Change the DC from 17 to 18. Add the cost to create of the individual amulets.
pg. 68 - Amulet of Aquatic Salvation - Change the school from Conjuration to Transmutation.
pg. 68 - Amulet of Catapsi - Change the school from Enchantment to Abjuration.
pg. 69 - Amulet of Incarnum Shielding - Change the school from Abjuration to None.
pg. 69 - Amulet of Retributive Healing - Change the school from Transmutation to Conjuration.
pg. 71 - Angelhelm - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 73 - Beholder Crown - Is the activation supposed to be a Swift action? That seems to be a bit fast given the effects, but this may be countered by the fact that each effect can only be used once.
pg. 75 - Blindhelm - Change the Aura from Strong to Moderate.
pg. 78 - Boots of Skating - Change the DC from 15 to 16.
pg. 79 - Boots of Temporal Acceleration - Change the school from Conjuration to Transmutation.
pg. 79 - Boots of Tremorsense - Next to the Tremorsense spell prerequisite add (SC 224).
pg. 80 - Bracers of the Entangling Blast - Change the xp cost from 100 to 80. The item does not state that the spell or spell-like ability that is modified by the bracers must be used before the end of your round. That means that you could activate the effect hours before casting the spell that the effect will modify.
pg. 80 - Bracers of Great Collision - Change the Aura from Moderate to Faint.
pg. 83 - Brooch of Stability - Either change the Price from 1000 gp (4th) to 550 gp (3rd) [while also changing the table entry on page 253] or change the Cost to Create from 275 gp, 22 xp to 500 gp, 40 xp.
pg. 84 - Cape of the Viper - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 85 - Charm of Countersong - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 86 - Chronocharm of the Laughing Rogue - Why is activation an Immediate action instead of a Swift action when the skill check that it is based on can only be made during your turn?
pg. 86 - Chronocharm of the Uncaring Archmage - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 86 - Circlet of Rapid Casting - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 86 - Circlet of Solace - Change the school from Abjuration to Conjuration.
pg. 86 - Circlet of Wild Surging - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 87 - Cloak of Battle - Shouldn't Craft Magic Arms and Armor be a prerequisite since the item can change into a magic weapon?
pg. 89 - Cloak of Turn Resistance - Change the school from Necromancy to None.
pg. 90 - Contact Medallion - Change the school from Enchantment to Divination.
pg. 90 - Crystal Mask of Detection - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 90 - Crystal Mask of Discernment - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 91 - Crystal Mask of Dread - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 91 - Crystal Mask of Insight - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 91 - Crystal Mask of Knowledge - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 91 - Crystal Mask of Languages - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 92 - Crystal Mask of Mindarmor - Change the school from Enchantment to Abjuration.
pg. 92 - Crystal Mask of Psionic Craft - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 93 - Desperation Chain - Should the xp cost be increased by 300 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 1500 gp?
pg. 94 - Dimension Stride Boots - Either changes the Caster Level from 7th to 3rd or change the Aura from Faint; (DC 16) to Moderate; (DC 18).
pg. 95 - Dragon Spirit Amulet - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 95 - Dragon Spirit Cincture - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 96 - Eagle Claw Talisman - Change the school from Transmutation to Evocation.
pg. 97 - Essentia Helm - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 98 - Executioner's Hood - Change the Cost to Create from 6000 gp to 3000 gp.
pg. 98 - Eyes of Power Leech - Change the school from Enchantment to Necromancy.
pg. 98 - Eyes of Power Leech, Vampiric - Change the school from Enchantment to Necromancy. Should the xp cost be increased by 300 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 1500 gp?
pg. 99 - Fanged Mask - The entry makes it seem as if you have to use a standard action to gain the bite attack but does not indicate how long you keep the bite attack. The entry also makes it seem as if you must use a standard action to stun a target after using a standard action to bite the same target, thereby requireing you to take two standard actions during the same turn.
pg. 99 - Farspeaking Amulet- There are several things that can be done with the item, requiring several different activation times.
pg. 100 - Flesh Ring of Scorn - The item description states that it must be activated but it has an Activation entry of --. Change the entry to Immediate (command or mental) so that it works with all attacks, including Attacks of Opportunity.
pg. 101 - Gauntlet of Gruumsh - Change the Item Level from 11th to 12th. What type of Standard action is required to activate the item: (command), (mental), etc.?
pg. 101 - Gauntlet of Infinite Blades - The Conjuration & Divination school may change to Divination depending on the assumed class of the creator.
pg. 102 - Gauntlets of Eldritch Energy - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 103 - Gauntlets of Lassitude - Should the Activation time be -- when melee touch attacks usually require a Standard action?
pg. 103 - Gauntlets of Mindfire - Change the school from Transmutation to Necromancy.
pg. 104 - Ghoul Gauntlets - The Standard action activation time of the item works poorly with the Standard action required to use some of the attack options. Perhaps it should be a Swift action to activate an effect that lets you either make a touch attack as a Standard action or combine the effect with a different sort of melee attack?
pg. 105 - Gloves of Agile Striking - Change the xp cost from 84 to 88.
pg. 105 - Gloves of Eldritch Admixture - Change the school from Evocation to Evocation or Conjuration
pg. 106 - Gloves of Fortunate Striking - Change the xp cost from 40 to 80.
pg. 107 - Gloves of Object Reading - Change the Activation from -- to see text.
pg. 108 - Goggles of Lifesight - Change the school from Divination to Necromancy.
pg. 109 - Hat of Ananymity - What type of bonus is the Hide bonus?
pg. 110 - Healing Belt - Either change the price from 750 gp (3rd) to 1000 gp (4th) [while also changing the table entry on page 255] or change the Cost to Create from 500 gp, 40 xp to 375 gp, 30 xp.
pg. 110 - Hearstring Amulet - Change the school from Transmutation to Divination.
pg. 111 - Helm of Battle - Change the Aura from Moderate to Faint.
pg. 111 -Helm of Heroes - Change the Activation from -- to see text.
pg. 111 - Helm of the Purple Plume - Change the school from Transmutation to Enchantment.
pg. 112 - Incarnum Focus - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 115 - Mantle of Second Chances - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 116 - Mask of Silent Trickery - Change the school from Transmutation to Illusion.
pg. 116 - Mask of Sweet Air - Remove the last word from the descriptive text. What type of bonus does the item grant to saving throws?
pg. 117 - Mindblade Gauntlet - Change the school from Conjuration to None.
pg. 117 - Mindblade Gauntlet, Greater - Change the school from Conjuration to None.
pg. 117 - Mindblade Gauntlet, Lesser - Change the school from Conjuration to None.
pg. 117 - Mithral Bells - Does the ranged attack require an attack roll for a grenade-like weapon or does it aoutomatically hit the designated target (like a fireball spell).
pg. 118 - Necklace of Copper Dragon Scales - The xp for the item comes out to 22.8. Should that be rounded down to 22 (as indicated by the entry) or up to 23.
pg. 119 - Platinum Helm - Change the school from Transmutation to Divination.
pg. 119 - Psionatrix - pg. 117 - Mindblade Gauntlet - Change the school from Varies to None.
pg. 120 - Rearguard's Cape - Change the xp cost from 160 to 80.
pg . 120 - Reins of Ascension - Should this item be considered clothing since it is actually used by your mount and activated by you rather than used and activated by yourself?
pg. 120 - Reliquary Holy Symbol - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 121 - Repelling Gauntlets - Change the school from Conjuration to Evocation.
pg. 121 - Retributive Amulet - Change the Cost to Create from 4600 gp to 4500 gp.
pg. 122 - Ring of Arcane Might - Should the 300 xp cost of the Limited Wish prerequisite be calculated seperately from the 800 xp base cost of the item for sake of clarity? Shouldn't the final price of the item be increased by 1500 gp due to the additional xp cost?
pg. 122 - Ring of Communication - Is there a limit to how many times per day the effect can be activated?
pg. 122 - Ring of Divergence - Change the Cost to Create from 1500 gp, 120 xp to 900 gp, 720 xp.
pg. 123 - Ring of Forcewall - Change the school from Transmutation to Evocation.
pg. 126 - Ring of Nine Lives - Change the school from None to Conjuration. Should the xp cost be increased by 300 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 1500 gp?
pg. 126 - Ring of Self Sufficiency - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 127 - Ring of Spell-Battle - Does the counterspell function require an actual Dispel Magic attempt or is it automatically successful.
pg. 128 - Ring of Vanishing - Change the Aura from Moderate to Strong.
pg. 128 - Rings of Force Armor - Do the rings count as both of the magic rings that a character can wear or as a single item?
pg. 129 - Ring of Acrane Might - Change the school from Abjuration to Conjuration.
pg. 130 - Rock Boots - What sort of bonus is the +4 bonus to Strength checks?
pg. 130 - Rogue's Vest - Change the school from Illusion to Transmutation. If you have more than one of the sneak attack, sudden strike, and skirmish abilities do you gain an extra 1d6 damage for each?
pg. 131 - Sandals of Springing - Should the enhancement bonus to Jump checks instead be a competence bonus?
pg. 133 - Scry Shroud - Change the school from Illusion to Abjuration.
pg. 133 - Sepulchral Vest - Change the school from Abjuration to Necromancy.
pg. 133 - Shadow Maniple - Since the item description states that it functions because of a connection between the Material Plane and the Plane of Shadow can the item be used on a plane without a connection to the Plane of Shadow or does it become inactive?
pg. 133 - Shiftweave - Change the school from Transmutation to Illusion.
pg. 134 - Shirt of Chains - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 134 - Shirt of the Fey - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 135 - Shirt of Ironskin - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 135 - Shirt of the Moon - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 135 - Shirt of Resilience - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 136 - Shirt of the Treant - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 136 - Silk Slick Belt - Change the school from Transmutation to Conjuration.
pg. 136 - Soulsmite Gauntlets - Change the school from Evocation to None.
pg. 136 - Soulstone - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 137 - Spare Hand - Change the school from Transmutation to None. The Activation should change from -- to see text. The text should make it clear what sort of action is required to command the item to perform certain tasks.
pg. 138 - Steadfast Boots - What sort of bonus is the +4 bonus?
pg. 139 - Surge Crystal - Change the xp cost from 648 to 720. Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 140 - Tabard of the Great Crusade - To the best of my knowledge St. Cuthbert does not accept evil followers despite his Lawful Neutral alignment.
pg. 140 - Third Eye Aware - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 141 - Third Eye Conceal - Change the school from Enchantment to Abjuration.
pg. 141 - Third Eye Concentrate - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 141 - Third Eye Expose - Change the school from Transmutation to None.
pg. 141 - Third Eye Gather - Change the school from Divination to None.
pg. 142 - Third Eye Penetrate - Should the xp cost be increased by 300 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 1500 gp?
pg. 142 - Third Eye Repudiate - Change the DC from 25 to 20.
pg. 143 - True Strike Surge - Change the school from Transmutation to Divination.
pg. 143 - Torc of Preservation - Should the xp cost be increased by 300 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 1500 gp?
pg. 145 - Vanguard Treads - what type of bonuses are the bonuses against bull rush and grapple attempts?
pg. 146 - Vest of the Archmage - Should the xp cost be increased by 5000 because of the limited wish prerequisite? Would that increase the final price by 25000 gp?
pg. 146 - Vest of the Master Evoker - Change the Activation from Swift to see text.
pg. 148 - Water Cloak - What sort of bonus is the bonus to Reflex saves? Is the counterfire ability automatically successful or do you need to make a Dispel Magic check?
pg. 148 - White Cloak of the Spider - What sort of bonus is the bonus to Fortitude saving throws?
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 4
pg. 149 - Aberrant Sphere - Add 3 days to the Cost to Create section.
pg. 150 - Anstruth Harp - This item (and several other musical instruments in this section) includes in the price the cost of a masterwork instrument but the Arcane Thieves' Tools entry (also on page 150) does not include the cost of masterwork thieves' tools. Should the cost of a masterwork item be included in the price? Depending on the creator's class the aura should either only be Transmutation or it should drop the Transmutation aura.
pg. 150 - Aroma of Curdled Death - If you do not apply the liquid to yourself are you still immune to the effects of the gas cloud? Do strong winds have an effect on the gas cloud?
pg. 150 - Aroma of Dreams - If you do not apply the liquid to yourself are you still immune to the effects of the gas cloud? Do strong winds have an effect on the gas cloud?
pg. 150 - Bag of Boulders - Change the Body Slot from -- to -- (held).
pg. 151 - Bag of Flames - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 151- Battle Bridle - The flavor text describes a saddle rather than a bridle.
pg. 153 - Camouflage Paint - Change the school from Transmutation to Illusion.
pg. 154 - Craft Cognizance Crystal - Change the school from Evocation to none.
pg. 155 - Crystal Anchor of Alertness - What is the type for the bonus?
pg. 156 - Daylight Pellet - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 156 - Diamondskin Decanter - The text for the single draught should read "...1 hour OR until..."
pg. 156 - Domain Draught - Change the school from Transmutation to none.
pg. 157 - Dragon's Draught - Change the school from Evocation to none.
pg. 157 - Dragondoom Scepter - Change the school from Evocation to none.
pg. 159 - Eternal Wand - The Cost to Create the 0 level spell wand is listed at 18 xp but doing the math indicates 18.4 xp. Should this be rounded up or down (if rounding down then the Blessed Bandage on page 152 should cost 0 xp instead of 1 xp)? The Cost to Create the 1st level spell wand is listed at 32 xp but doing the math indicates 32.8 xp. Should this be rounded up or down? The Cost to Create the 2nd level spell wand is listed at 176 xp but doing the math indicates 176.8 xp. Should this be rounded up or down? Change the time to create that wand from 3 days to 4 days.
pg. 160 - Everlasting Rations - What happens to uneaten rations?
pg. 160 - Field Provisions Box - What happens to unused provisions?
pg. 161 - Fochlucan Bandore - The Cost to Create notes (plus 100 gp for masterwork bandore) but the extra cost is not added to the total price of the item, either on this page or on the table on page 258.
pg. 161 - Globe of Sunlight - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 161 - Glyph Seed - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 161 - Glyph Seed, Greater - Change the school from Transmutation to Abjuration.
pg. 162 - Healing Salve - Change the Cost to Create from 1175 gp to 1125 gp.
pg. 162 - Icy Strand ofthe North - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll? Does the item run out of crystals or do they return over time?
pg. 162 - Incense of Concentration - Does the item work for spontaneous casters?
pg. 163 - Magic Bedroll - Change the school from Conjuration/Enchantment to Conjuration/Abjuration.
pg. 164 - Map of Unseen Lands - Change the Cost to Create from 2700 gp to 2600 gp. Change the school from Evocation to Divination.
pg. 164 - Memento Magica - Change the school from Transmutation to none.
pg. 165 - Metamagic Rod (Reach) - Change the school from Transmutation to none.
pg. 165 - Mirror of Time Hop - What happens if the spoce is occupied when the target reappears?
pg. 167 - Ollamh Harp - Change the Cost to Create from 51 days to 50 days as the cost of the masterwork harp should not figure into the creation time.
pg. 168 - Pipes of Frenzied Revelry - Are you immune to the effect of the pipes?
pg. 169 - Porcupine Elixer - The Body Slot indicates -- (held) while the other elixers in this chapter do not have a (held) notation. Should (held) be eliminated here or added to the other elixers, draughts, etc.?
pg. 169 - Powder of the Black Veil - What effect does wind have on the cloud?
pg. 170 - Skin of Celestial Embrace - What is the type for the Fortitude save bonus?
pg. 171 - Skin of the Hero - Should the Limited Wish prerequisite increase the xp by 300 and the total price by 1500 gp?
pg. 172 - Quiver of Energy - Change the school from Evocation to Evocation or Conjuration.
pg. 173 - Rod of Bodily Restoration - Why is the Caster Level 9th when the CL on the Orb of Mental Renewal (pg. 167), which has almost exactly the same effect, is 3rd?
pg. 173 - Rod of Escape - Change the Cost to Create from 70 xp to 140 xp.
pg. 175 - Rod of ilence - What is the type for the save bonus?
pg. 176 - Rod of Viscid Globs - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 176 - Runestaff of the Architect - Wood Shape is a Divine spell.
pg. 177 - Runestaff of the Assassin - Pass Without race and Poison are Divine spells.
pg. 177 - Runestaff of Destruction - Earthquake is a Divine spell.
pg. 178 - Runestaff of Ethereal Action - The Cost to Create notes (plus 300 gp for masterwork quarterstaff) but the quarterstaff is a double weapon and should therefore cost an extra 600 gp. Change the total price from 31300 gp to 31600 gp and change the table entry on page 263.
pg. 178 - Runestaff of Eyes - Remove Blindness/Deafness is a Divine spell.
pg. 181 - Runestaff of Power - The Cost to Create notes (plus 300 gp for masterwork quarterstaff) but the quarterstaff is a double weapon and should therefore cost an extra 600 gp. Change the total price from 38300 gp to 38600 gp and change the table entry on page 263.
pg. 182 - Runestaff of Transportation - Change the school from Transmutation to Conjuration.
pg. 182 - Runestaff of the Undead Slayer - Death Ward, Disrupting Weapon, and Searing Light are Divine spells.
pg. 183 - Scepter of the Netherworld - Change the school from Necromancy to none.
pg. 183 - Scrolls of Uncertain Provenance - Change the school from Necromancy to Conjuration.
pg. 184 - Shackles of Silence - Is there an Open Lock DC to escape?
pg. 185 - Skill Shard - Change the Cost to Create from 1 xp to 2 xp and from 6 xp to 12 xp. Change the school from Transmutation to none.
pg. 186 - Soulvoid Orb - After the Divest Essentia spell prerequisite add (MoI 101). Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 187 - Strand of Acid Pearls - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 188 - Talisman of the Disk - Is this a single use item?
pg. 188 - Tanglepatch - Does the item automatically strike the target or do you need to make an attack roll?
pg. 190 - Change the school from Enchantment to none.
pg. 190 - Change the school from Transmutation to none.
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 5
pg. 191 - Change the first sentence on the page from "...three to six..." to "...three or more..." because the Seven Veils item set on page 210 contains seven items.
pg. 193 - Helm of Wounding Sight - Change the Cost to Cerate from 6 days to 7 days.
pg. 194 - Gloves of Endless Javelins - Since the javelins are made of force does this mean that they bypass DR?
pg. 195 - Five Virtue Collection Benefits - What type of bonus is the AC bonus granted to adjacent allies by a character wearing all five pieces?
pg. 196 - Five Virtues Pieces and Abilities Table, line 1 - Change 1400 gp (4th) to 1400 gp (5th).
pg. 196 - Five Virtues Pieces and Abilities Table, line 4 - Change --(armor to --(armor crystal) and change +5 ft. speed crystal) to +5 ft. speed.
pg. 201 - Panther Mask - Why does an item meant primarily for Monks grant an enhancement bonus to speed when such bonuses are useless to Monks due to their Fast Movement class ability?
pg. 203 -Blood Claw Choker - Change the school from Necromancy/Transmutation to Necromancy. How come the prerequisites line doesn't list "sorcerer or dragonblood subtype" the same way that the other two items in the set do?
pg. 204 - Raiment of the Four Collection Benefits - While the energy resistance states that it stacks with similar resistances granted by race, class, or templatre it says nothing about energy resistance granted by feats. Should it stack with the effects of such feats?
pg. 204 - Gloves of the Starry Sky - Change the Aura from (DC 15) to (DC 16).
pg. 205 - Raiment of the Stormwalker Collection Benefits - The third paragraph section "even if the items..." is irrelevant since all of the items in the set can be used while in wild shape.
pg. 207 - Regalia of the Hero Pieces and Abilities Table, line 1 - Change 1200 gp to 1400 gp.
pg. 208 - Badge of Valor - Change the Aura from Moderate to Faint. What type of bonus is granted to saving throws?
pg. 209 - Crown of Flames - Change the school from Transmutation to Evocation.
pg. 211 - Seven Veils Pieces and Abilities Table, line 6 - Change Neck to Throat.
pg. 211 - Seven Veils Pieces and Abilities Table, line 7 - Change Eyes to Face.
pg. 214 - Badge of Glory - Change the school from Transmutation to none.
pg. 215 - Ephod of Authority - Change the school from Necromancy to none.
Magic Item Compendium Errata: Chapter 6
In the previous chapters of the book I noted many item aura schools as possible errors because the items didn't include any spells and the text on page 4 stated that "if the item requires only universal spells, or if it requires no spells, this reads "no school."." Page 218 indicates that even items without spell prerequisites can have an aura based on school of magic. Which page is correct? If it is page 218 then what is the meaning of the chart text "and so on?" Does that entry only apply to items that give bonuses or to all items that do not fit in any other category? Which items should have the "no school" designation?
Additionally, page 220 provides rules to determine save DCs against the effects of magic items. Do all items that allow saving throws use this formula? Should I go through all of the entries in the book to see if the DCs for items that allow saving throws versus their effects are correct?
pg. 220 - The top of the page uses a +2 flaming greataxe as an example of an item that doesn't need to be activated before use. Flaming weapons do need to be activated before use.
pg. 229 - Table 6-7 - Change 13 + 8 to 14 (13 + 8) and change 15 + 13 + 8 to 17 (15 + 13 + 8).
pg. 234 - In the example provided at the bottom of the page should the price of either the new addition to the magic item or the original item be increased by 1.5 because you are adding a new effect to an existing item (in accord with the rules from page 233) or are the effects on Table 6-11 exempt from that rule to encourage players to buy unique items for slots that are traditionally used by popular items (rings of protection, cloaks of resistance, ability boosters, etc.)?
pg. 283 - The last entry on the +9 Bonus table has an asterix notation. Why?
No errata this week, complete mage should be out next week.
What about D20 Modern,URban arcana,future etc...
What about D20 Modern,URban arcana,future etc...
I consulted my magic 8 ball about this. I asked, "Will there ever be errata for the other D20 games?" I afraid the answer was "Concentrate and ask again."
So I concentrated and asked again, and got "Cannot predict now."
I tried again an hour later and got "My sources say no."
Sorry.
I consulted my magic 8 ball about this. I asked, "Will there ever be errata for the other D20 games?" I afraid the answer was "Concentrate and ask again."
So I concentrated and asked again, and got "Cannot predict now."
I tried again an hour later and got "My sources say no."
Sorry.
And thats why i asked Gerg and not a magic 8 ball......:P
And thats why i asked Gerg and not a magic 8 ball......:P
Hey the 8-ball gives more straight answers then the Wizards.
And thats why i asked Gerg and not a magic 8 ball......:P
I'm afraid I'm with the 8 ball. "Outlook not so good."
I'm afraid I'm with the 8 ball. "Outlook not so good."
Well,this confirms what everyone has been saying that WotC has aboned the D20 modern line.....
Well,this confirms what everyone has been saying that WotC has aboned the D20 modern line.....
Well, you can look at it as an opportunity. Get some folks together and set up an "Official Unofficial D20 Modern" webpage, and put in your own errata fixes. If people playing accept the fixes as standard, then that's just as good.
Well, you can look at it as an opportunity. Get some folks together and set up an "Official Unofficial D20 Modern" webpage, and put in your own errata fixes. If people playing accept the fixes as standard, then that's just as good.
Same could be said about the rest of the errata for the D&D line.....
I have certainly daydreamed about a "3.5 users group" that would go through and tighten up the 3.5 rules in the places that WotC doesn't hit. They could even be hosted on Gleemax, as I understand how that will work.
You can find other errata discussion on this thread, where I've posted some explanation of what appears in errata and answered some questions.
With regards to d20 modern—I wouldn't yet give up on it. I suspect (and this is only my uninformed opinion) that we will seriously revisit d20 modern at some point in the future. At this point, though, with the advent of 4E, it would be better to put our attention toward the future (of D&D and d20 modern).
Complete Mage errata is up and can be found here. I'll probably post some FAQ-type material addressing why certain issues didn't make it into the errata.
You can find other errata discussion on this thread, where I've posted some explanation of what appears in errata and answered some questions.
With regards to d20 modern—I wouldn't yet give up on it. I suspect (and this is only my uninformed opinion) that we will seriously revisit d20 modern at some point in the future. At this point, though, with the advent of 4E, it would be better to put our attention toward the future (of D&D and d20 modern).
Then can we just stop looking at PAST product errta aand look twoard 4th eidtion errata?
EDIT: btw,everythings going to be cross posted in the d20 modern area pf the forums....
Has anybody else noticed that the errata documents are not correcting any of the horribly wrong NPC stat blocks?
okay the npcs statblocks are the least of the problems with the books. Most cases its minor errors like plus or minus 3 hp, maybe a few extra skill points or lack there of. Maybe the thing doesn't meet the writen preqs for the prc. These errors don't make the NPCs unplayable for a DM and aren't going to cause issues or problems in game other then people just being nitpicky.
Most cases its minor errors like plus or minus 3 hp, maybe a few extra skill points or lack there of. Maybe the thing doesn't meet the writen preqs for the prc. These errors don't make the NPCs unplayable for a DM and aren't going to cause issues or problems in game other then people just being nitpicky.
You think that the NPC problems mostly amount to minor errors involving a few hp and a couple of skill points? Where did you get that idea?
Go to the first post on page one of this thread and click on the Complete Mage link. The errors on the majority of the NPCs are pretty massive. Wrong saving throw DCs are given for spells and spell-like abilities. The wrong caster level is listed for spells. AC is off by as much as 5 points. Wrong damage dice are listed for weapons. Wrong attack bonuses are given. One character is missing a large number of spell slots.
As for being a few points off on hp and skills, there is one character who has 30 hp too many and another with 21 skill points too many. These are hardly minor errors.
You think that the NPC problems mostly amount to minor errors involving a few hp and a couple of skill points? Where did you get that idea?
Go to the first post on page one of this thread and click on the Complete Mage link. The errors on the majority of the NPCs are pretty massive. Wrong saving throw DCs are given for spells and spell-like abilities. The wrong caster level is listed for spells. AC is off by as much as 5 points. Wrong damage dice are listed for weapons. Wrong attack bonuses are given. One character is missing a large number of spell slots.
As for being a few points off on hp and skills, there is one character who has 30 hp too many and another with 21 skill points too many. These are hardly minor errors.
Yes, I'm sure all of these will completely throw the game into chaos. And ruin everything. This is dnd, just come up with a reason for why its that way and get on with your life. The guy missing spells used some in the morning to fight those pesky kids. The one with the 30 extra hp drank a potion that gave him some temp hp. The 5 extra AC guy is just "very lucky", maybe even blessed by a divine force. The one with the extra skills invoked some unknown and lost rule in the game to get them.
These things will not impact the game, its that simple. Sure we should be riduculing WotC for letting these errors through so that they don't let it happen in the future. But when it comes to erratas there hell of alot more important then fixing impactless NPCs, such as releasing erratas FOR ALL THEIR BOOKS LIKE THEY SHOULD BE DOING*.
* As I understand it their current plan is to cut and run when it comes to errating most of their books, which is pretty poor method of convining us that this new magical edition won't suffer the same problems the last did under their management.
Has anybody else noticed that the errata documents are not correcting any of the horribly wrong NPC stat blocks?
We are aware of the problems with NPC stat blocks, but the problems are not game-altering. The purpose of errata is to clarify and address rules and information that makes something unreadable or easily misinterpreted. The NPC stat blocks, while having fallacious pieces of information, are nonetheless usable without adverse effects on one's game.
Okay..its be recommanded to me by a Wizo that will remain nameless that i should instead just ask "Why was/is D20 modern left out of the current errata update?"
I hate to be the one to tell you this. But I guess somebody has to, so here goes...
They all sat around in a conference room one day, a bit bored and a little burned out about 4e stuff. "We need something fun to distract us from these silly games!" one of them declared. "Let's screw with the people on the message boards!" another said.
And so they sat and sat and talked and talked, tossing out all sorts of cruel and bizarre pain they could inflict upon us with merely words. Finally, one of them said, "Hey, you know. If we have Greg tell them that there won't be any d20 Modern errata, I bet he'll cry." "No way! I'll bet you $20 he won't cry!" "You're on!"
And so, that's why. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
We are aware of the problems with NPC stat blocks, but the problems are not game-altering. The purpose of errata is to clarify and address rules and information that makes something unreadable or easily misinterpreted. The NPC stat blocks, while having fallacious pieces of information, are nonetheless usable without adverse effects on one's game.
When my PCs die because they couldn't hit the AC of the dude who has 5 points too many, I'll be sure to tell them their death isn't an adverse effect on the game.
:angelhide
I hate to be the one to tell you this. But I guess somebody has to, so here goes...
They all sat around in a conference room one day, a bit bored and a little burned out about 4e stuff. "We need something fun to distract us from these silly games!" one of them declared. "Let's screw with the people on the message boards!" another said.
And so they sat and sat and talked and talked, tossing out all sorts of cruel and bizarre pain they could inflict upon us with merely words. Finally, one of them said, "Hey, you know. If we have Greg tell that trappedslider guy that there won't be any d20 Modern errata, I bet he'll cry." "No way! I'll bet you $20 he won't cry!" "You're on!"
And so, that's why. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
your off the christmas card list
When my PCs die because they couldn't hit the AC of the dude who has 5 points too many, I'll be sure to tell them their death isn't an adverse effect on the game.
:angelhide
Just tell them they suck... :P
your off the christmas card list
Dude. I'm just the mesenger. :P
Just tell them they suck... :P
I'm pretty sure one of my players could kick my ass. And my other player is my wife, and I like not being smothered with a pillow in my sleep. ;)
I'm pretty sure one of my players could kick my ass. And my other player is my wife, and I like not being smothered with a pillow in my sleep. ;)
Then just tone it down with "Your luck has runout eh?"
Hopefully my question can get answered sometime soon... Also does the extraordinary concentration feat only work for spells with duration concentration or anything else? Is it good to have or is swift concentration the skill trick enough?Implosion (SRD)
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Evocation
Level: Clr 9, Destruction 9
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Targets: One corporeal creature/round
Duration: Concentration (up to 4 rounds)
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
You create a destructive resonance in a corporeal creature’s body. For each round you concentrate, you cause one creature to collapse in on itself, killing it. (This effect, being instantaneous, cannot be dispelled.)
You can target a particular creature only once with each casting of the spell.
Implosion has no effect on creatures in gaseous form or on incorporeal creatures.
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Evocation
Level: Clr 9, Destruction 9
Components: V, S
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Targets: One corporeal creature/round
Duration: Concentration (up to 4 rounds)
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates
Spell Resistance: Yes
You create a destructive resonance in a corporeal creature’s body. For each round you concentrate, you cause one creature to collapse in on itself, killing it. (This effect, being instantaneous, cannot be dispelled.)
You can target a particular creature only once with each casting of the spell.
Implosion has no effect on creatures in gaseous form or on incorporeal creatures.
If we beg hard enough, is there a chance for a Complete Psionic errata? I've been irritating custserv with this request for ages, but it's really badly needed and would make the Psionics crowd amazingly happy without too much difficulty.
Erratas take time, question is, which points specifically in Complete Psionics are you looking at getting errata'd?
Thanks for the update, Greg.
yeah i thought about asking him about my normal thing....ahh the heck with it
When will D20 modern get offical errata?
Next on the errata agenda:
Tome of Battle: The Book of the Nine Swords
And then...
Complete Psionic
Next on the errata agenda:
Tome of Battle: The Book of the Nine Swords
I am afraid mere text cannot convey my reaction at this news, so for only the third time ever, I must therefore resort to this highly uncharacteristic:
This is the best news I've heard all week!
You, sir, deserve a medal.
Complete Champion errata is taking a little longer than expected to go through developer review.
Next on the errata agenda:
Tome of Battle: The Book of the Nine Swords
And then...
Complete Psionic
Wow, I have to admit I'm a bit surprised to see CP's on the agenda. There would have been easier targets to pick...
Bo9S-errata is highly welcome, too. Thanks for keeping us updated and following through on this thankless task!
And then...
Complete Psionic
Really? Are you going to rewrite the book? And then what about XPH errata?
Complete Champion errata is taking a little longer than expected to go through developer review.
Two months later ... still no Complete Champion errata. Any word, official or otherwise?
Greg had said that more 3.5 errata was in the works. I don't think that effort is particularly tied to the 4e release, but I guess we'll see.
They shouldn't be attacking books directly. They should be attacking issues and accept issues from all books (including the PHB) to settle the topics that need errata.
I think it is a waste of their effort to answer 20 issues in Complete Champion when only 2 or 3 ever cause trouble. The 17 other issues they spend time fixing could be better spent (the time) fixing issues in other books. Same effort, more return on their effort.
I think it is a waste of their effort to answer 20 issues in Complete Champion when only 2 or 3 ever cause trouble.
Only 2 or 3 cause trouble? Even leaving aside the horribly wrong NPC stat blocks for which they're never going to provide errata, there are a lot more than 2 or 3 major problems.
Also, it is not a waste of effort. Customer service gets a lot of questions about these sorts of things. Half of those questions would likely disappear if there were an errata document. Half the questions means half the workload. Half the workload means half the workers. Half the workers means half the cost. This is a simplification, but it illustrates the point that providing errata is therefore a cost saving measure.
Finally, there is the matter of customer satisfaction and the impact that this has on their business. Since realizing that not only does WotC fill their books with faulty stat blocks (of the books I've read over the last 2 years, over 90% of the stat blocks seem to contain errors), but that they have no intention of providing errata for these errors and are, in fact, dragging their feet on other types of errata, I have greatly changed my purchasing habits.
I did not purchase the Monster Manual 5 under the assumption that, if they can't get two dozen stat blocks correct in their other books, there was no way that I'd be able to trust the quality of a book that is nothing but stat blocks.
I do not purchase adventures, even ones that contain new spells, items, feats, and abilities that are found nowhere else. Adventures contain large numbers of stat blocks, which I've already determined are bound to contain huge numbers of errors that they don't care enough to fix. This is unfortunate for WotC, since I own ten Forgotten Realms books, but have not and will not purchase any of the hardcover Realms adventures that they've produced in recent years.
I do not plan to purchase 4th edition at the time of the initial release. This has nothing to do with a dislike of the system that I've seen in their previews; the system looks interesting and I'd be perfectly willing to give it a try. My problem is that I am unconvinced they are capable of producing these products without a significant number of errors. Until the 4th edition has been out long enough to view the feedback, I won't be using it.
The one positive of this lack of errata is that it gives me extra money with which to extend my RPG horizons. Since I've stopped buying certain types of WotC products, I've used that extra money to purchase 7 hardcover RPG books from Steve Jackson Games. Every single one of the books has had errata provided in a timely manner and in an easy to use format (no stupid PDFs) on the Steve Jackson Games website. The errata is also updated regularly as new errors are discovered (three of my books had their errata updated last month).
Is there still plans for more Errata?
I'm hoping that it's all merely been delayed in the rush to 4e and that after that it'll come out.
But I'm beginning to wonder.
Also, for me NPC stat blocks are unimportant. I personally never use them. I do however Wish that you give MECHANICS priority.
I'd really like to know. It's awesome already, making it attack and damage would be even BETTER.
Can we get that fixed please WotC?
Errata for Complete Champion was waylaid due to other obligations on the part of our development team. Similarly, I have not worked on composing a Tome of Battle errata document due to these delays. We're all very busy trying to put together our 4th edition updates, and as that is now our priority, I cannot say when, if ever, Tome of Battle and Complete Champion errata will be available.
just be honest and say never.....we all know thats what is gonna happen:P ......
Errata for Complete Champion was waylaid due to other obligations on the part of our development team. Similarly, I have not worked on composing a Tome of Battle errata document due to these delays. We're all very busy trying to put together our 4th edition updates, and as that is now our priority, I cannot say when, if ever, Tome of Battle and Complete Champion errata will be available.
It is not that hard to put together errata documents, especially when the work has been done for you by the community. What a poor excuse from WotC.
It is not that hard to put together errata documents, especially when the work has been done for you by the community. What a poor excuse from WotC.
*COUGH the whole d20 modern line COUGH*
The errata for Complete Champion and Tome of Battle are up!
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a
I sure hope they won't forget Complete psionic. :D
Cheers
The errata for Complete Champion and Tome of Battle are up!
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/er/20040125a
I guess I'm a few months late to the party here, but just today I decided to see if they had finally released any errata for the ToB (after last checking about half a year ago)... and what the heck is that? The linked file on that page has about four lines of material that refer to the ToB, and the rest of it appears to be errata for Complete Mage? Am I missing something? Is there any actual ToB errata out there?
When I read the chapter about the 9 Swords and how to unlock their power etc., I assumed that the 3 rituals you have to perform unlocked each a part of the list of powers per characterlevel. That's what is suggested from descriptions of some powers. But nowhere is stated what rituals unlock what powers. Each sword has a list of 3 rituals, (Least, Lesser and Greater) and they unlock the Least, Lesser and Greater Legacy of the sword. But what the heck are these Legacies?!?! What am I missing here???
Whenever I click the link for the Dragon Magic errata, I am sent to the Wizard's Forum base page.. never to a particular post. The links could be broken due to the Wizards website overhaul, perhaps. In any case, if these errata can be resurrected (the ones that aren't official, of course) that would be sweet. I'll even throw in no exp penalty.
I hesitate to ask... but what exactly is this thread doing in the 4e Future Releases forum?
I guess the old 3e Future Releases forum migrated to the 4e one. I put a warning in the OP that this is for 3.5e material.
Yeah, that was a bit disappointing to me too. I just now checked it, because it seems some vital information about the 9 Swords seems to be missing.
When I read the chapter about the 9 Swords and how to unlock their power etc., I assumed that the 3 rituals you have to perform unlocked each a part of the list of powers per characterlevel. That's what is suggested from descriptions of some powers. But nowhere is stated what rituals unlock what powers. Each sword has a list of 3 rituals, (Least, Lesser and Greater) and they unlock the Least, Lesser and Greater Legacy of the sword. But what the heck are these Legacies?!?! What am I missing here???
It's listed in the Weapons of Legacy Book, but they neglected to post it in Book of 9 for some reason... Fortunately, I managed to id up a copy of WoL in a yard sale.
Technically, you can do the rituals at level, but it won't kick in until later. Obviously, the 1rst level the weapon gets special weapons is when the 1rst ritual starts doing something. The others are 11 & 17. Not sure if it was intended to be different in ToB. Before we got the book, we did them up for 5, 10, & 15.
On a sad note, it's 2011 & they still haven't posted the proper errata for ToB.... and I'm still furious over it. Considering the popularity of that book, that's pretty bad on their part. How the heck is my group supposed to update it for 3.75?!