Longarm Grasp - "[W]henever an enemy within 2 squares of you and marked by you shifts or makes an attack..."
Errata'd Longarm Grasp - "[W]henever an enemy within 2 squares of you and marked by you shifts or moves/takes any move action or makes an attack..."
As it reads to me right now, I could see a person arguing that moving but not shifting wouldn't provoke an AO, which I see as contrary to the whole point of the thing.
Great mini excerpt, by the way. I've got a 4th level Longspear-wielding Bugbear who's a demon to fight already; hopefully this'll be out in print by the time I'm hitting Paragon
.Not sure if this is the right forum for this (if it isn't, feel free to yell at me and move the thread accordingly), but I saw something in the preview that definitely makes me think a quick correction/clarification may be in order.
Longarm Grasp - "[W]henever an enemy within 2 squares of you and marked by you shifts or makes an attack..."
Errata'd Longarm Grasp - "[W]henever an enemy within 2 squares of you and marked by you shifts or moves/takes any move action or makes an attack..."
As it reads to me right now, I could see a person arguing that moving but not shifting wouldn't provoke an AO, which I see as contrary to the whole point of the thing.
Great mini excerpt, by the way. I've got a 4th level Longspear-wielding Bugbear who's a demon to fight already; hopefully this'll be out in print by the time I'm hitting Paragon
The whole point of the feature is to extend the range of the Fighter's marking ability. The two work exactly the same way and there's no reason they shouldn't.
The whole point of the feature is to extend the range of the Fighter's marking ability. The two work exactly the same way and there's no reason they shouldn't.
Agreed 100%. Unfortunately, as it is currently written as I am currently reading it, even though it uses exactly the same text, it is not the same result.
A regular Fighter with an adjacent marked enemy would make an OA against him if he were to shift or attack (because of the mark) OR if he were to do any of the normal things that provoke OA, IE making a non-shift move action.
A Paragon Polearm Fighter with a marked enemy two squares away, as this is written, would be able to make OAs against him if he were to shift or attack, but not if he were to make a simple straight move action, or for that matter do anything else that would normally provoke OAs on adjacent enemies. At least that's how I read it, with the specific shifting overtaking the general 'Move' description.
Maybe they could just scrap the text and say something to the effect of "Marked enemies within 2 squares shall be treated as though they are adjacent to the character for the purpose of provoking Opportunity Attacks from the character." That seems to me to be the flavor they're shooting for for this ability, and one that would totally make sense both mechanically and thematically.
I dunno; is there some way we could send this one up to the writers and have them mull this over? Is this the forum they check for errata like this? Or is there an e-mail or something?
A Paragon Polearm Fighter with a marked enemy two squares away, as this is written, would be able to make OAs against him if he were to shift or attack, but not if he were to make a simple straight move action, or for that matter do anything else that would normally provoke OAs on adjacent enemies. At least that's how I read it, with the specific shifting overtaking the general 'Move' description.
This is true, and that's how it's supposed to be. If he was supposed to be able to make opportunity attacks from 2 squares away, they would have given him Threatening Reach.
This is true, and that's how it's supposed to be. If he was supposed to be able to make opportunity attacks from 2 squares away, they would have given him Threatening Reach.
Not necessarily, as Threatening Reach is not the same as Marked OAs. There are more actions that provoke OAs on Marked targets, and it's naturally limited to creatures specifically Marked.
Kinda Threatening Reach+, but only for Marked targets. I think.
Not necessarily, as Threatening Reach is not the same as Marked OAs. There are more actions that provoke OAs on Marked targets, and it's naturally limited to creatures specifically Marked.
Kinda Threatening Reach+, but only for Marked targets. I think.
They don't have Threatening Reach against anything, nor are they supposed to. If they were, it would have been made clear in the ability with such wording as "In addition, they are treated as having Threatening Reach against a target they have marked." In fact, if it were as you suggest, that would make the Polearm Master's utility power less powerful and mostly irrelevant.
They don't have Threatening Reach against anything, nor are they supposed to. If they were, it would have been made clear in the ability with such wording as "In addition, they are treated as having Threatening Reach against a target they have marked." In fact, if it were as you suggest, that would make the Polearm Master's utility power less powerful and mostly irrelevant.
*shrug* Maybe, but something strikes me weird about the text. I don't see the sense in being able to make an Opp Attack when an enemy is moving cautiously and defensively but NOT being able to make an Opp Attack when they move but aren't paying attention to you at all. Can't we agree that that's a little odd?