If your like me you probably already have a wide spectrum of D&D dragon minis, but I still see alot of promise in this new product. I would like to see them released more than once per year!!
docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hBb_N...
I will be picking one up for sure, just wanted to share with everyone else. I appologize if someone has already posted this, I don't check these forums everyday.
Will be large dragon I guess´.
We'll let's see how they look like. There last large red dragon was just ugly
I expect a new green dragon as the previous one looked rather underwhelming - at least the one modelled after the 4e art, the one in War of the Dragon Queen looked great.
Hoping for the old red dragon as it's very hard to come by.
Both black dragons look great and I'd be happy with either!
The white dragon also looks good, and the same is for both blues.
I am torn on my preference for the other colors. I have two different sculpts of large sized Black Dragons from the Unhallowed and Demonweb sets so I am not particularly excited about getting another one of those, and I can't see myself getting excited about having a third sculpt. Although I can probably get some good use out of a second Green or Blue, I would most like to see a variation of an Adult Red.
5 non random.... I bet they are all the chromatic ones
Yup. That's what it says in the link in the OP.
This product will be a best seller.
I'll be looking for more special sets like that.
I think it's probably the best move they could make right now miniature-wise.
2 new sculpts, and re-using 3 existing ones probably makes the product cheaper to produce and still give incentive to buy for those who have all the miniatures already.
I can easily see a "Demons and Devils" set, or other thematic set making it's way to us in the future. Lots of ways to reuse some sculpts and add-in 1 or 2 new models.
I'd love to see an Orcs and Goblins set. Something with a number of foot and mounted troops with a new Orc Chief and maybe an Idle of Gruumsh(sp?)
Yes, I would also like to see the sizes mixed up on the set. Larges are always great, but it would be cool to mix in some awesome Medium Size. I am okay with the idea of repaints if the sculpts are good. I also think that throwing in a Huge can't be all that bad.
I wish they would do a limited boxed release that has the following races for us players to use:
Wilden, Vryloka, Shade, a new Genasi, a Shardmind Martial Class and a Githzerai.
i bought the Beholders as well and was pleased with the content.
it's been mentioned multiple times in this (and many other DDM) threads here that a horde pack should be done like this. i absolutely agree with this.
each set should be 30 figures each , has at least 4 mounted (2 large, 2 small), 2 leader types. and 5 monsters related
example of themes that could be done:
Orc & Golbins :
5 goblin grunt types 1 worgs
3 goblin range types 2 wolves
2 mounted goblin
1 magic type goblin
1 goblin leader/ chief
5 orc grunts 2 fiendidh dire lions
3 orc range
2 mounted orcs
1 orc champion
1 orc mystic
1 orc leader
------------------30 figures...roughly 39.99 msrp
other themes:
Underdark
Drow Stronghold
City Set (badly needed)
you get the idea.
just my thoughts.
-star26
Basically, the minis component from the board games, without all the extra board-game-related gumf. I'd be happy with them unpainted, that must be a hugely expensive part of the DDM process.
This is the type of model Wizards SHOULD be embracing in regards to DDM and how to market them.
i bought the Beholders as well and was pleased with the content.
it's been mentioned multiple times in this (and many other DDM) threads here that a horde pack should be done like this. i absolutely agree with this.
each set should be 30 figures each , has at least 4 mounted (2 large, 2 small), 2 leader types. and 5 monsters related
example of themes that could be done:
Orc & Golbins :
5 goblin grunt types 1 worgs
3 goblin range types 2 wolves
2 mounted goblin
1 magic type goblin
1 goblin leader/ chief
5 orc grunts 2 fiendidh dire lions
3 orc range
2 mounted orcs
1 orc champion
1 orc mystic
1 orc leader
------------------30 figures...roughly 39.99 msrp
other themes:
Underdark
Drow Stronghold
City Set (badly needed)
you get the idea.
just my thoughts.
-star26
Very much agreed.
Basically, the minis component from the board games, without all the extra board-game-related gumf. I'd be happy with them unpainted, that must be a hugely expensive part of the DDM process.
Ive been thinking of how they can do this and I think these two posts are it.
Ive been buying the hero scape D&D packs when I can find them becasue they are 3-7 minis in a single theme, and for 12-15(Canadian) dollars thats very good. but to be able to look at my collection and know I have a well rounded set, without having to run all over the place looking for individual minis, or risking my war hammer minis in a dnd game (rough players) would be amazing.
I like tokens, but Ive been using minis and just can't make the switch. When I have a skeleton minon be a mini, and a black dragon be a token, it just doesn't feel right.
I can paint minis but I would pay an extra 20 to have them painted for me, even if its not the best job...
i don't understand this "either or" mentality that wizards has adopted in regards to catering to their consumer base. it doesn't have to be new or established clientale, but a mix if both. so fine, leave the minis unpainted, i can deal with that. but to try to forced older vets (like myself) to revert back to tokens / pogs after investing in mins? ridicolous!
i'd rather give my money to a third party instead (even metal) if that's the case.
my personal opinion, whoever in charge of both marketing, and game design needs to take a serious repositioning of how the line is being handled.
just my take;
-Star26
I wish Wizards would release their new products to cater to new and old players alike. For instance, release the new books (such as Gloomwrought or Monster Vault) as both a combined Hardcover book for old players as well as a box set with all those tokens and cards for new players.
Couldn't agree more with you, Star26!
I wish Wizards would release their new products to cater to new and old players alike. For instance, release the new books (such as Gloomwrought or Monster Vault) as both a combined Hardcover book for old players as well as a box set with all those tokens and cards for new players.
or, as mentioned before, a "scenario pack" in which , adventure, tiles and needed minis could be included into one product.
sadly, it probably won't happen.
hope these dragons tho are something new!
i believe ppl would by the larger sets in order to fill races / adventures. over that small number.
and yes, i actually do recall that proposed Orc set. and didn't understand why it never came to light (just like how i'm still baffled that streets of shadows didn't either)
but if wizards wants me to spend money on other companies' products, sure, i'll oblige them.
*shrugs*
-Star26
would you buy a box with 1 kobold wympriest, 1 dragon wyrmling, 1 kobold slinger, 1 kobold dragonshield and 2 kobold skirmishers
would you then maybe also buy a pack with 4 kobold minions and an extra slinger and dragonshield if you were really interested in running a dungeon that featured kobolds... heck the dragon wyrmling mentioned in the first pack could be concealed and random. it seems like a really good idea to me. so just forget that everyone probably has tons of slingers by now thanks to lords of madness. maybe they can make a new sculpt. i just love kobolds and used them as an example.
Yea, I bought it just for the mini's, too.
Trouble is, I DIDN'T buy wrath of Ashardalon because I already had several of the minis. No rage drake, gibbering mouthers or grell for me because I didn't need more Orc archers, snakes and kobolds.
valid point, perhaps 30 mins is overkill so let's agree and a rational number i say 1o is enough for $29.99 then, i could work with that.
as far as the board games, i'm in the same boat, too many remakes of figures i don't jve and really if i wanted to do a dungoen romp,i'd just bust out the materials i have (books, tiles, minis, etc.)
-Star26
While that sounds awesome; it will never happen.
I think you and I are about to eat some MAJOR crow.
It looks like someone HAS listened to our cries, and sadly it Wizards biggest rival now!
wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/05/25/paizo-a...
So, Wizards, how did you allow it to come to this?
You not only create your biggest rival to your Licence, but not they' have teamed up with your biggest Minis game Rivals as well (Wizkids)
while i don't normally call for heads because of this economy, but man someone need to pay for letting it get to this!
Oh yes, I am Absolutely buying these too!
-Star26
I have found a photograph displaying all four of the miniatures that is soon to be released by Paizo, and they look fantastic.
Well the masters are fairly good. What do the the run of the mill painted by 10-y.o. chinese children ones look like?
Can I 'Like' a comment here?
I have found a photograph displaying all four of the miniatures that is soon to be released by Paizo, and they look fantastic.
nice find there Z!
those are very nicely done...can't wait!
1) You have more money from Encounters.
2) You have more money from DDI.
3) you have more money from not spending it on increased production
(less products are coming out).
So please make minis again!
~Teo
C'mon WotC, you can do it! i know plastic is made from oil and the economy could be better and the Chinese government is being akin to a Tyrant, but you can do it!
1) You have more money from Encounters.
2) You have more money from DDI.
3) you have more money from not spending it on increased production
(less products are coming out).
So please make minis again!
~Teo
Agreed, However I believe that the new miniature sets should be released annually instead of every 3 months. This is mainly due to the state of the economy, if nothing else.
C'mon WotC, you can do it! i know plastic is made from oil and the economy could be better and the Chinese government is being akin to a Tyrant, but you can do it!
1) You have more money from Encounters.
2) You have more money from DDI.
3) you have more money from not spending it on increased production
(less products are coming out).
So please make minis again!
~Teo
Agreed, However I believe that the new miniature sets should be released annually instead of every 3 months. This is mainly due to the state of the economy, if nothing else.
True, either a SET once a year or Boxed Sets ala the Beholders and Dragons 2 least twice a year ;)
~Teo
I'm thinking of getting a set of super dungeon minis, they're just so damn cute!!!
I'll be buying my first Paizo purchase here. I now have to turn to another company for what WotC should be releasing. Let us just hope these four do well so Paizo will release a monster minaiture's line. If Paizo releases a staple miniature set yearly...
the GameMastery Combat Pad has been my lone paizo purchase, and i can't sing it's praises high enough. after seeing mine in action at my FLGS, every GM that runs in the store ordered one as well. it's a shame i had to go outside wotc to find such a stellar item.
the above is just an initiative tracker, fairly small item in the overall scheme. it's going to be hard moving outside of DDM for minis going forward, and these paizo minis (if they take off) might just fill that void for me. as a D&D collector, it sucks to have to go outside the brand to find gaming materials.
I'll be buying my first Paizo purchase here. I now have to turn to another company for what WotC should be releasing. Let us just hope these four do well so Paizo will release a monster minaiture's line. If Paizo releases a staple miniature set yearly...
the GameMastery Combat Pad has been my lone paizo purchase, and i can't sing it's praises high enough. after seeing mine in action at my FLGS, every GM that runs in the store ordered one as well. it's a shame i had to go outside wotc to find such a stellar item.
the above is just an initiative tracker, fairly small item in the overall scheme. it's going to be hard moving outside of DDM for minis going forward, and these paizo minis (if they take off) might just fill that void for me. as a D&D collector, it sucks to have to go outside the brand to find gaming materials.
I agree, I know there are a lot of people to whom the game is rules or a feel, but to me it is also a collection. Im not in a game right now but I still keep up with all hte books and still want to expand my mini and tile collections becasue I like to have everything, and I like to have it all be offcial D&D brand.
To me its just about aspect of the game I can enjoy, and its why I hate having to go else where for items and why I hate the changing formats of books and tokens.
this was just released:wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/08/01/paizo-a...
we had known that a beginner's box was already set, but now Wizards' TWO biggest rivals (paizo and Wizkids - you know those guys that many here has claimed of thier demise?) have teamed up to start producing a 40 set of Minis ( and a lot of them are , let's be honest.are abosulely stunning !
that Black Dragon alone..wow.
Yeah, once again..someone at Hasbro and Wizards need to explain to us why they though discontinuing Mini s was a "bad Business idea" and how they allowed their Two Biggest Rivals to capitalize on it .
Someone(s) head needs to roll.
(oh as a postmark: So you realize now that you're down to one product that i'm interested in at this point, and that is The Tiles..so only 3 products a year? smooth business model. really.)
*rolls eyes*
this was just released:wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/08/01/paizo-a...
...waits for the collective groaning about randomized miniature boosters...
Hahaha the paizo ones are utterly hideous. I suppose that's what you get when you get wizkids to make your miniatures. The excellent creators of such awesome minis as melty batman and masrhmellow venom.
actually, there's going to be a few NON random packs as well between this release and the 1st expansion next june as well!
if my experience collecting heroclix is any indication not all the minis in the set will look so magnificent. these minis are great but they were probably painted by professionals to look that way. fast food comercials do the same thing... thats not real food! but it looks so good it makes you wana go get some. the average mini will probably be painted as quick as possible on an assembly line. also heroclix common minis can tend to lack much detail at all whereas the rares usually look excellent. i'll reserve judgement untill i get my hands on my first pack.
Very true, but wizards also had the same issue as well (dwarf beguiler, anyone?) so you have to expect it. but more importantly we're getting pre painted minis!
i can stop buying non painted ones! woo hoo!
Woot Woot! Prepainted Fantasy Miniatures are back!!! Time to spend lots of money!Simple but effective paint job to boot, fantastic sculpts!
Now this is what I call a good black dragon mini!
Don't care for gnomes, but the frost giant is fantastic!
this was just released:wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/08/01/paizo-a...
...waits for the collective groaning about randomized miniature boosters...
I'm normally one of them, but my FLGS (and eBay) all sell singles, so I tolerate it.
if my experience collecting heroclix is any indication not all the minis in the set will look so magnificent. these minis are great but they were probably painted by professionals to look that way.
Actually, like the PCs, these look to be digital proptypes. The bases aren't smooth (slighly angular at the edges) and there's no imperfections from the paint, moulds, or plastic. I don't think we've seen any actual physical pictures of any of the Pathfiner Wizkid minis yet.
That said, I'm glad someone is doing it. WotC can make tokens, Wizkids can make minis, and the players benifit!
if my experience collecting heroclix is any indication not all the minis in the set will look so magnificent. these minis are great but they were probably painted by professionals to look that way.
Actually, like the PCs, these look to be digital proptypes. The bases aren't smooth (slighly angular at the edges) and there's no imperfections from the paint, moulds, or plastic. I don't think we've seen any actual physical pictures of any of the Pathfiner Wizkid minis yet.
That said, I'm glad someone is doing it. WotC can make tokens, Wizkids can make minis, and the players benifit!
And just now we've seen the first pictures of the PC minis.
clicky
IF, that is, they make figures I actually need. Their starting lineup will no doubt be all the goblins and zombies and basic fantasy tropes that I already own dozens of.
Call me when they make a catoblepas.
Also did you notice that the random packs are ONE FIGURE PER PACK? These will no doubt sell for $3.99 per figure.
I wish them success, but they a very long way to go before they match what WOTC has done.
During the Q&A part of their product seminar at GenCon, Mike Mearls said that they would be producing non-random sets and that there would be some sort of skirmish game to go along with them.
Nothing like getting pushed by the compitition.
The point of having competition is? no wait for it... WE WIN -- I want to see awesome enough minis I cant help myself but buy them
Give us Tieflings, Wilden, Goliaths, D&D styles gnomes, Dragonborn (Of dear lord do players need some more DB models), Silver-eyed Kalashtar, More baseline changelings, whatever new races the HoX books bring us (Revanents, Dryads, etc) and so on. It's been my experience there are a ton of players who prefer non-tolkien races, and that's where a good chunk of the market share can be snatched up by WotC.
As to battlepacks, I would hope to see mainly support for existing modules, like Kruthik or Kobold sets and the like.
Give us Tieflings, Wilden, Goliaths, D&D styles gnomes, Dragonborn (Of dear lord do players need some more DB models)...
Yes, because the ones that were previously released were all rare. Plus, Dragonborn can be other classes besides fighters, paladins, and warlords.
I agree, though, that WOTC has an opportunity to give us more of the non-traditional races. Has there ever been a wilden mini? How many devas or shardminds have there been?
and this is wizards (and pazio) needs to understand, diversity (or rather, LACK of ) will be the deciding factor for most of us in purchasing these or not.
when wizards cancelled the streets of shadows mini set, that was it for me at that point, nevermind the fact that i had human, but not enough human administrators, townsfolk, and the like.
i'm hoping but reinvigorating the pre painted minis line (especially into non random sets), that we'll see just that, villagers, town militias, guards, etc.
more female pieces , and other rare races too.
-Star26
Give us Tieflings, Wilden, Goliaths, D&D styles gnomes, Dragonborn (Of dear lord do players need some more DB models)...
Yes, because the ones that were previously released were all rare. Plus, Dragonborn can be other classes besides fighters, paladins, and warlords.
I agree, though, that WOTC has an opportunity to give us more of the non-traditional races. Has there ever been a wilden mini? How many devas or shardminds have there been?
There have been no Wilden at all and only 1 Deva and 1 Shardmind each. Only one unmorphed changeling as well. One female Dragonborn (as a rogue, go figure) too. We had a decent spread of Warforged (including a Small Scout, go figure), but most of the Tieflings were lackluster, and the gnomes and halflings lacked any real distinction. Plus, we are going to need Satyr, Dryad, and Pixie's soon as well as getting some viable Shade, Vryloka and Revananet's into play.
I think they need to focus on using Minis first and foremost for PCs. With the arrival of the Monster Vaults, I think we have the monsters covered (other than BBEGs of course).
Let's say they are starting with six factions. Each faction pack is 12 figures from a variety of species, etc. For example- the Iron Circle which has tieflings, goblins, evil humans and trained beasts.
What six would be best to start with? What figs ( new or reprint in any mixtue) would best serve player with no collection AND those with large existing collections?
Thought experiment time. Let's say they are starting with six factions. Each faction pack is 12 figures from a variety of species, etc. For example- the Iron Circle which has tieflings, goblins, evil humans and trained beasts. What six would be best to start with? What figs ( new or reprint in any mixtue) would best serve player with no collection AND those with large existing collections?
Now this is an excellent question!
so if each pre set booster has 12 minis:
4 artillery: 4 human hunters ( 2 male, 2 female)
4 infantry: 4 goblin blademasters
1 commander: human taskmaster male
2 beasts: 2 viscious dire wolves (same size as the dungoen of dread versions.)
1 elite - tiefling adept female
or something along those lines.
-star26
Most likely a kobolds group also.
Damn you Wizards for canceling the D&D minis product line! You caused this! Now I'm forced to show off these new Pathfinder minis on your website! Thanks Paizo for making brand new prepainted plastic minis to enhance our roleplaying experience.
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Ok, Wizards, get to it already! I'm already drooling over these, let's see what you got!
Hey Starphoenix, can you post the goblins minis picture also? I no longer have the space to upload anymore pictures to my profile. Thanks
Because you request it:
SHAZAM!!!
They're coming for your candy, kids!
Plus these beauties..
The Zombie:
paizo.com/image/content/Blog/102811-Zomb...
The werewolf:
and the Specter:
apparently the set is about ready in time foe my wish list, wishes wizard would give us a teaser!
there's a site of most of the PF minis !
check it out!
www.pathfinderminis.com/gallery2.htm
Speaking of rarity, AFAIK, a bboster/pack either has one or two figures. If it has one, what's the point of rarity? I mean, joy, i crack open pack after pack, of COMMONS? c'mon!
that said , here are this week's previews:
the town guard:
the watch officer:
and the orc brute:
already confirmed for next week: the gargoyle and the chimera!
the cartoony look is to distingush the two companies design.
One would think that the company who got rich creating product that seamlessly fits into the 3ed RPG would have done the same thing with their minis.
Its the same thing World of Warcraft with its grafics, cartoony is an easy way to hide simplistic...
If thats a good idea is a different matter...
Would you rather poor paintjobs on good sculpts, or good paintjobs on poor sculpts?
I think they have gone cartoony because less detail means les colors, less room for mistakes, and thus a better quality looking mini....
Its the same thing World of Warcraft with its grafics, cartoony is an easy way to hide simplistic...
If thats a good idea is a different matter...
Would you rather poor paintjobs on good sculpts, or good paintjobs on poor sculpts?
Me thinks to pick the lesser of two evils and go with poor paint jobs on good sculpts, as one can always repaint something you are not happy with. On the other hand it's hard to polish a turd....so to speak.
P.S. Can someone post the picture of the new Pathfinder miniature of the Frost Giant?
you wouldn't mean this fella , would you? ;)you wouldn't mean this fella , would you? ;)
Yep, that's the one...
the cartoony look is to distingush the two companies design.
One would think that the company who got rich creating product that seamlessly fits into the 3ed RPG would have done the same thing with their minis.
keep in mind, Paizo isn't producing this, Alter. It's Wizkids/ Neca.
I wanted to wait before i came off as a Wizkids wonk. While i'm a big fan of Heroclix, I was nervous about them doing standard RPG minis.
but i thought about it, and considering what i've seen from them in regards to the Lord of the Rings mins coming soon, i figured it would be in solid hands.
Look at this Saruman mini from Wizkids' LOTR clix lineup
That means the Pathfinder minis look terrible because Paizo wanted them to look terrible.
Oh my Gosh... you're right.
Look at this Saruman mini from Wizkids' LOTR clix lineup
That means the Pathfinder minis look terrible because Paizo wanted them to look terrible.
Sadly, i think cost was a major factor, but hey..
I do think some of the pathfinder minis awesome, the medusa.. (that's what a medusa should look like.), the ranger are two that comes to mind.