Should be an easy houserule fix. Make its features revolve around getting Dragon Breath if you don't already have it, then pump it up.
If it does make the transition to 4ed, then it would most likely be a Sorcerer option. I'd honestly go with it being the "default" paragon path for the dragon magic sorcerers.
That's what I'd always thought of it as. A Sorcerer only option. Be a Sorcerer or take the Multiclass feat to get into it.
I feel that a Dragon Deciple would grow dragon wings, as flight like that is not an option for PC's yet. Also, we see an epic dragonborn get wings-- Maybe it IS Dragon destiny that gives wings.
I would imagine that it would be an epic destiny, actually, especially if it gets wings. I do not think WotC would want to design a paragon path that gave breath weapons, as that would basicly be taking away one of the things of Dragonborn, and giving it to everyone.
I feel that a Dragon Deciple would grow dragon wings, as flight like that is not an option for PC's yet. Also, we see an epic dragonborn get wings-- Maybe it IS Dragon destiny that gives wings.
That could be an at-will Utility you get from the Destiny. Gain a fly speed and hover equal to your speed. I like where this is going. :D
Too bad it might not work that way.
I would imagine that it would be an epic destiny, actually, especially if it gets wings. I do not think WotC would want to design a paragon path that gave breath weapons, as that would basicly be taking away one of the things of Dragonborn, and giving it to everyone.
I feel that a Dragon Deciple would grow dragon wings, as flight like that is not an option for PC's yet. Also, we see an epic dragonborn get wings-- Maybe it IS Dragon destiny that gives wings.
I think Ranadiel got it right: Dragon Disciple as a Sorcerer Paragon Path. It makes a ton of sense within the fluff of the Sorcerer (there's a Dragon Sorcerer build) and compared to the fluff of 3.5E's Dragon Disciple (which granted additional spells, clearly a "caster" benefit).
FWIW, many of the Dragon Sorcerer encounter powers shown in the Sorcerer preview are described as magic "breath" attacks.
Finally, I really hope they don't publish any player options in any Draconomicon books; I really don't like it when my players nose through DM books looking for player options.
That could be an at-will Utility you get from the Destiny. Gain a fly speed and hover equal to your speed. I like where this is going. :D
Too bad it might not work that way.
Very cool idea! I hope they do try somthing like that.
I would imagine that it would be an epic destiny, actually, especially if it gets wings. I do not think WotC would want to design a paragon path that gave breath weapons, as that would basicly be taking away one of the things of Dragonborn, and giving it to everyone.
I feel that a Dragon Deciple would grow dragon wings, as flight like that is not an option for PC's yet. Also, we see an epic dragonborn get wings-- Maybe it IS Dragon destiny that gives wings.
I can see Dragon Disciple as a PHB2 Epic Destiny designed for Dragonborn and sorcerers, which gives you dragon-like powers (such as flight and more frequent uses of your breath weapon). Especially if its destiny quest ends with the character turning into an actual dragon. (and/or if its capstone is the ability to polymorph into one)
There might actually be both a Paragon Path (for sorcerers) and an Epic Destiny with this theme in mind.
Posted by Ranadiel:
I'd honestly go with it being the "default" paragon path for the dragon magic sorcerers.
My thoughts exactly. I'd actually be surprised if it's not a sorcerer paragon path(or maybe epic destiny) in PHB2.
I'm not sure what that would leave for the Paragon Path though, i only say there will be one because there will almost certainly be a PP specifically for Dragon Magic sorcerer's... the Sorcerer is already going to be getting a few breath weapons from the start with attacks such as Tempest Breath, Lightning Breath and Poisonous Exhalation, so possibly a Dragon Disciple paragon path would give bonuses to Blast attacks.
In addition, I do not see Wings as being problematic if handled correctly. For example:
Wings (11th level): You gain wings which allow limited flight. At 11th level, your wings are only strong enough to allow you to glide safely from any height.
Dragon Flight (12th level Utility): Daily (Special); Minor - You gain a Fly Speed of 8. Sustain Minor. Flight during combat is strenuous. Once per day, per point of Constitution bonus - you can recharge this power during combat by expending an encounter power as a Free action.
Overland Flight (16th level) You gain an overland flight speed of 8.
Except for its level, and ability to be recharged - this power is nearly identical to the 16th level Wizard power. The fact that you have to give up another Encounter power to use this power more than once/day seems relatively balanced IMO, as that is one less "Attack" the Dragon Deciple will be making that encounter - just for the opportunity to have unfeathered movement (no pun intended).
Regarding "Dragon Apothesis" - I think this would make for an excellent "Immortality" option for the Half-Dragon/Demi-Dragon...
Dragon Apothesis: Your inner dragon hatches from its humanoid shell, transforming you into the True and Mighty dragon that you are. Your size becomes Gargantuan, and you gain the Attacks, powers, and features of a True Dragon of your chosen Type (adjusted for being a 30th level creature). You retain your own Hit Points (adjusted for becoming a Solo Creature), and ability scores (if greater than those of the advanced dragon you become). In addition, you retain all Paragon Path features, while gaining the Class features of an NPC of your class. Finally, you retain the use of 1 At-Will, 2 Encounter, 2 Daily, and 2 Utility powers of your choice, regardless of source (class, paragon path, power-swap feat etc).
Among the mightiest of all Wyrms, you may then choose to lord over your own realm; proclaim yourself King among Dragons; or travel the planes. Few dragons (and even fewer mortals) will stand against you regardless of the decisions you make.
all hail the
disciple!By the way-Glimeral that idea for "Dragon Apothesis" is absolutely full of win-the sort of awesome that all epic destinies should aspire to-becoming a god (demigod), a master of the arcane (archmage), a student of every sort of discipline (eternal seeker), or a crazy ass trickster on par with Loki or Coyote (deadly trickster), or turning into a freaking dragon.
An epic destiny would be cool, too. I don't think the apotheosis should make you Gargantuan (there go most dungeon crawls), and I like the idea of it being a stance-like transformation. Your immortality can be to become a true dragon.
PC1: Oh heck, wasn't that the legendary dragon Mezothakh who just flew overhead.... He's supposed to dwell in these parts.
PC2: Yeah. I heard that he was once a Dragonborn Warrior who, in helping defeat Orcus' attempt to take over the Shadowfell, transformed into a dragon for some reason.
PC1: I sure wouldnt want to get on the bad side of any dragon who went up against Orcus and lived to tell the tale.
PC2: Neither would I.... Lets get out of here.
The overall idea of a dragon ascendant ED that ends in you becoming a dragon is fine in my mind, I just think the 'Immortality' aspect needs to stay crunch-free.
But I'm usually wrong.